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Genetics...

b fold the truth

b fold the truth

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Was thinking about something tonight... How quickly are we to point the finger at a great athlete and assume that they use AAS because they are VERY strong or VERY lean or VERY muscular... I have been guilty of this also...

I look at my girlfriend who has been lifting with me off and on for the past couple of weeks and I am just amazed. She has NEVER lifted weights in her life and she has muscles everywhere. She has erectors from neck to butt, calves, hams, quads, abs, can make her pecs jump, delts, biceps, triceps, traps, etc... She has done some pretty crazy things in the gym over the past week...and she is lifetiime drug free. She laughs that she is 'lifting free' also...

If I spent 3 years working with her, pushing her body to the extreme, working on her diet, etc...I just think about what she could be. She could be ripped at 5'1" with freaky strength...drug free. Most of all, people would be looking at her and they would just 'KNOW' in their minds that she was on all kinds of AAS because of how she looks...

Truth is...she has freaky genetics. Adding hard work to those genetics would make her look freaky. Of course...adding AAS to those genetics and hard work could make her amazing.

I also remember talking to Becca Swanson (if you don't know who she is, run a search on google) and she told me that she weighed 185 before she ever touched a weight. Our hands are the same size too...and I don't have small hands by any means.

Just a few thoughts...about genetics...about hard work...and about who we point the finger at. Mostly just speaking out loud...and bragging a lil too ;)

B True
 
I understand this point. I too am guilt of this, even though people have pulled that shit with me in the past! I remember being 6'3 144lb kid, and within a few months of lifting weights, and to be honest, not even eating all that well, weighing 191lbs. Not a monster, but for 3-4 months, it was a transformation to say the least. People were whispering all sorts of crap.

Well, even after going through that, I still sometimes see someone who might just be genetically gifted, but can't help but think "is it drugs and hard work?" But I guess unless we know the person, we would never have a way of knowing.
 
Sounds like you have a good women on your hands B, but I'm sure you knew that. I have met Becca twice and she is a phenome to the extreme. Genetics are a great thing, it's to bad not all those that have them use them. I HAD a best friend that has great potential-ripped up at any bodyweight and strong. To bad the party seen keeps his nose running and his weight low.
 
B,

Also to the other extreme is realizing that sometimes your genetics give you limitations. My husband has small ankles and wrists. He has a massive upper body and skinny legs. He's been working out for years. He trains lower body as hard as upper so it's not that he's not training right.


For me, I had to and I am still coming to turns that I don't have a tiny, petite frame.

So either if you have been blessed or not so blessed, it's important to make your genetics work for you.


On a side note:

You seem very happy with your gf!! Good luck with everything! Isn't love grans?!?
 
Right, I know how that goes. Fortunately I'm gifted with alot of natural strength. People though I was on something after I had been working out all of 6 months because I was benching 315, and leg pressing 20 plates for reps. Of course now that I do juice it is just rediculous. Still it used to get on my nerves when people would ask me what I was on.
flexy, the wrist help with astetics (mine tape out at 5 3/4" around), but I know how he feels on a heavy lift. Anytime I go over 400 ibs on the bench my wrist kill me, even with wraps. They'll hurt all day. As far as the lower body goes, he needs to just keep pounding it. He proably needs to totally rethink his lower body routine if it is as you describe though.
 
It's true! Since I started lifting last year, I've discovered that I have a definite tendency to be freakishly vascular (even in my calves -- what the heck!)...to a degree that I don't see in other females, and frequently I don't see it in the males in my gym either. ;)

Combine that with my current leaness, which really plays up the mass I've built (which isn't a whole lot, it's just quite defined right now), and I get some funny looks sometimes. I'm sure there might be some who think I juice, but I suppose I just inherited it.
 
I've been thinking about this thread...
I've always had curvy, strong thighs and calves - even when I was a skinny kid. It doesn't take much to make my quads and hams thicker. When I was in college, I remember folks asking me if I ran track. :D Ah, those were the days!

But my upper body - oh boy. I have spindly arms and a tiny rib cage (and therefore, a narrow back). I've changed my training to try to bring my upper body up (esp. trying to thicken my upper back) so I can increase my squat.
 
I dunno, I rarely ever say to myself "he/she is on roids." I don't care all that much and figure so what if they are on it? That's just me though ...

I agree with you though. I used to think genetics didn't play a big role at all, but now I am realizing that there are a bunch of people with some muscle who have never touched a weight. IMO, those that are the most gifted are the ones who look good and are very strong before ever hitting the gym. It's usually the black guys I notice that are like this. Oh well, more power to them. :)

-sk
 
I can definitely say that if I didnt have the genetics I recieved that I would never have been able to do half of the things I have done in my life. Genetics predicate your outcome in life. All bullshit aside. It all comes down to genetics.

Hard work can get you places but without genetics you are virtually lost.
 
b fold the truth said:
Was thinking about something tonight... How quickly are we to point the finger at a great athlete and assume that they use AAS because they are VERY strong or VERY lean or VERY muscular... I have been guilty of this also...

I look at my girlfriend who has been lifting with me off and on for the past couple of weeks and I am just amazed. She has NEVER lifted weights in her life and she has muscles everywhere. She has erectors from neck to butt, calves, hams, quads, abs, can make her pecs jump, delts, biceps, triceps, traps, etc... She has done some pretty crazy things in the gym over the past week...and she is lifetiime drug free. She laughs that she is 'lifting free' also...

If I spent 3 years working with her, pushing her body to the extreme, working on her diet, etc...I just think about what she could be. She could be ripped at 5'1" with freaky strength...drug free. Most of all, people would be looking at her and they would just 'KNOW' in their minds that she was on all kinds of AAS because of how she looks...

Truth is...she has freaky genetics. Adding hard work to those genetics would make her look freaky. Of course...adding AAS to those genetics and hard work could make her amazing.

I also remember talking to Becca Swanson (if you don't know who she is, run a search on google) and she told me that she weighed 185 before she ever touched a weight. Our hands are the same size too...and I don't have small hands by any means.

Just a few thoughts...about genetics...about hard work...and about who we point the finger at. Mostly just speaking out loud...and bragging a lil too ;)

B True
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You must breed with her and make super-children...
 
sk* said:


Not unless they take it to the extremes ...

-sk
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No.....it doesn't even have to be extremes. In the early stages, their strength always outbalances their physique......greatly.

And with women i've seen and heard virilisation and other tell tale signs from a 3 week cycle.
 
"So either if you have been blessed or not so blessed, it's important to make your genetics work for you."

I agree!!I have small wrists and ankles...small calves...long arms.My upper arms,and upper legs arent huge either,but have gained size alot easier.Ive found that the only way that I will ever get stronger is to realise that I will have to work harder on some areas just to have decent strength,and to stop thinking how much something may be holding me back.It seems to help
 
vinylgroover said:


No.....it doesn't even have to be extremes. In the early stages, their strength always outbalances their physique......greatly.

And with women i've seen and heard virilisation and other tell tale signs from a 3 week cycle.
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You are wrong. It is greatly individual. Most people my size are way stronger than I am ...

Regarding woman, it depends what kind of a cycle they do. A small anavar cycle won't do anything to their voice.

-sk
 
I'm not talking about guys your size.

I'm taking about the guy who is 170 pounds, has been lifting for 6 months, starts a cycle and doubles his weights. Same with girls.

I'm not talking about randomly picking it, which is easy with very muscular people , but observing behaviour in the gym and physical characteristics of the 'smaller' users.
 
hey vg i dont agree with you on this one. i ahve been working out for only 6 months and i have added 500 pounds to my PL total with no steroids. i have only put on 10 pounds of muscle give or take a few pounds. and my size still looks the same. maybe i ahve good genetics maybe i dont. but being 6'2" and just breaking 190 and deadlifting mid 400 squating near 400 and benching around 200 after only six months if you saw me at the gym would u think i juiced just becasue my stregnth has increase by more than double in a short amount of time.:confused: or did i read it backwards and you were saying that they will be big but not strong?
 
vinylgroover said:
I'm not talking about guys your size.

I'm taking about the guy who is 170 pounds, has been lifting for 6 months, starts a cycle and doubles his weights. Same with girls.

I'm not talking about randomly picking it, which is easy with very muscular people , but observing behaviour in the gym and physical characteristics of the 'smaller' users.
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This is pointless.
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-sk
 
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sk* said:


Man, I really hate how you keep commenting on these steroid related threads and act as if you are the steroid expert.


-sk
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It's not a steroid related thread SK. Do you need to take drugs or alcohol to know when someone's is off their face.

Don't be so fucking ridiculous. Any individual who has any knowledge of training and steroid principles, half a fucking brain and an observant eye can pick it in alot of cases, not all, but in most
 
vinylgroover said:


It's not a steroid related thread SK. Do you need to take drugs or alcohol to know when someone's is off their face.

Don't be so fucking ridiculous. Any individual who has any knowledge of training and steroid principles, half a fucking brain and an observant eye can pick it in alot of cases, not all, but in most
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Your eye must be way more observant than mine ...

-sk
 
vinylgroover said:


It probably is.......some people are stronger than others, some are more observant and their ability to analyse is better.
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Actually I am the most observant person I know. I just don't jump to conclusions ...

-sk
 
sk* said:


Actually I am the most observant person I know. I just don't jump to conclusions ...

-sk
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you just did by assuming that i'm not as observant as i say and that i can't distinguish a roid user from someone who doesn't use simply because i've never used steroids.
 
vinylgroover said:


you just did by assuming that i'm not as observant as i say and that i can't distinguish a roid user from someone who doesn't use simply because i've never used steroids.
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BodyByFinaplix posted on another thread that he was able to get his bench to 315lbs in 6months of starting to train, and he was clean. My bench was not close to 315lbs after 6months, and I wasn't "clean."

Nothing is cut and dry.

-sk
 
sk* said:


BodyByFinaplix posted on another thread that he was able to get his bench to 315lbs in 6months of starting to train, and he was clean. My bench was not close to 315lbs after 6months, and I wasn't "clean."

Nothing is cut and dry.

-sk
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Re-read my posts here.......i sad it was easy to pick someone on juice.......i never said that anyone who is strong or muscular is on juice......you're inferring things i never said.

I read a post where he blew up by 50 pounds after his frst cycle and his bench went from 315 to 415.....AFTER HIS FIRST CYCLE and you don't think i or most people would be able to pick that?
 
"Re-read my posts here.......i sad it was easy to pick someone on juice.......i never said that anyone who is strong or muscular is on juice......you're inferring things i never said."

Yes, but in his case he grew to bench 315 in 6months. So according to your logic he was on steroids?

"I read a post where he blew up by 50 pounds after his frst cycle"

Yea, that would be visible, but it is also very rare.

-sk
 
No more name calling...please.

It drives me NUTS to see someone swear to someone else on here...drives me up the wall and if I were a mod I would not allow it (towards another person) on the Training forum...

Please...get back to the topic or start a new thread.

B True
 
vinylgroover said:


No.....it doesn't even have to be extremes. In the early stages, their strength always outbalances their physique......greatly.

And with women i've seen and heard virilisation and other tell tale signs from a 3 week cycle.
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You're wrong here. I've known girls that have done over 3x bw in squat and deadlift and if you saw them on the street, you'd never know they worked out. They were clean as can be. Most people wouldn't guess that I'm as strong as I am either. I'm clean as well.


I agree that sometimes the easy way out is to automatically accuse someone of using drugs when they are freaky strong or freaky big. I've never been accused of anything to my face. I don't know what people say behind my back, and I really don't care. :)
 
b fold the truth said:
Was thinking about something tonight... How quickly are we to point the finger at a great athlete and assume that they use AAS because they are VERY strong or VERY lean or VERY muscular... I have been guilty of this also...
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I share the same guilt. I've looked at some lifters and still do with the accusation in mind. How many times have we seen athletes claim to be drug free and get popped? I think that's why we still hold onto our accusations. Regardless, it's the athlete's decision. To each his own. For the truely drug free lifters out there that get accused, take that as a compliment. You've been accused of using and you don't. And that rocks!
 
This thread (except for that junk in the middle) reminds me of a shirt that the owner of my gym wears. Perhaps you guys have seen them. It says, 'No, I'm not on steroids, but thanks for asking.'

:)
...chad...
 
i thank god and my parents as well for my great genetics! i have the same problem people always asking me what im on because im not that big because of my moms side! but thanx to that i have a genteically low bf% And thanx to my dads side that every 1 is a beast and is really strong i get my lifts up and stay lean and grow muscle but i cant get to big because of wrestling season so ye!!

good luck w/ ur grl!!
 
Everyones different, I went from being 170 lbs to 195 in 7 months, the first 3 months I consider an off/on experince (post october) my bench sucked ass, and I never deadlifted till I found this board, my squat was a joke too

started out like this

Bench 160 for 1x8
Squat 140 for 1x5
Military 80 for 1x10

7 months later

Bench 315 1x4
Squat 275 1x2
Dead 375 1x1

And this is eating so/so
Riding my bike every other day AND smoking, beer & the odd drug

Genetics help, thanks grandpa !
:D

now id hate to see what my potental could be if I ate clean and stopped smoking...damnnn!

I WILL stop smoking and eat right once I do my first cycle, I NEED to hardwire myself.

I know some of you are thinking how the hell does he do it? Im a lucky bastard thats all, I know allot of people have to work thier asses off HARD
 
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