Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I think people saying that u can't get really huge cause u don't have good genetics is a bunch a shit. Im not or well....wasn't that big (185) about 3 months ago. Now im 220 and thats only after a mild cycle. After my extreme bulker I think ill be huge then theres the cutter. SO I think anyone with the right amount of determination plus an ample supply and knowledge of gear and supplements can be huge. Fuck the genetics!
Genetics=Bullshit
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needtogetaas
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dumb ass.o and dont try me ill bomb you.
Destroyer1986
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2-Swole said:
LOL lets see how good your genetics are after you come off after a cycle, you telling me you gained nearly 40lbs after a mild first cycle? Post some pics up mate. Genetics have a lot to do with it.
bigcountry61
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needtogetas said:
lmao !!!!
needtogetaas
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o fuck it i was bord so i bombed you any way.dumb ass.
needtogetaas
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lol like I give a fuck what you do.youre bombs may lats longer but my bombs have meaning.youres dont mean shit.you want to fuck with me omega.I am willing to bet I will be the last man standing.fucken hommoe.....OMEGA said:
tempest2003
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wow, thats pretty weak, you probably look like a fat stretch mark
surferstar
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tempest2003 said:
LMAO thats halarious.
fcfmuaythai
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anyone can get huge, but the guys with great genetics can stay LEAN while they get huge 
silverbackn
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Wow! I don't know where to start. When you drop the 15 pounds of water you were holding you won't be quite as large. Drugs won't make you huge. Food makes you grow. You will never have gains like that from a cycle again, which you will come to realize. I put on 42 pounds from my first cycle. I was diagnosed with colitis and lost a bunch of weight and then gained it all back plus some. I was 239 clean, then I got sick and hit 211, then I did my first cycle (test & deca) and hit 253 (holding gargantuan amounts of water).2-Swole said:
silverbackn
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Agreed, genetics are the name of the game at that level. The other day someone asked me if I wanted to be a pro bodybuilder, I said that it was like asking if you "wanted" to be an olympic sprinter. You are born with "it" or you aren't when it come to dealing with that level of elite.Quadsweep said:
If genetics are meaningless and will to acheive the prime, why do we not see people who change from skinny beanpoles to 300+ pound mass monsters after their first set? Genetics will dictate the rate of gain, the total gain, and the final gain. All of this can be optimized through a proper diet, AS, training, and rest continuum, but in the end you are a slave to your genes.
Quadsweep said:
Well i know that is how to use steroids smartly.
but,
what about the ectomoprphs who are eating 5k calories/day. still wont grow, and then HOP on AAS, then those people defied thier genetics.
Of course, if i arleady have good genetics, it would only enhance them,
dont u think?
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
The other part of it is... how many of those people actually stick with it over the course of 10-15 years or longer?
if the "skinny beanpoles" stuck with it over the course of their lifetime then I think we WOULD see more of them be "monsters" ... now I do agree that a persons body can only hold so much weight, before the body refuses to gain more, or at least hold it naturally, it is a lot more than most people will ever get to, and you can change it... the key is patience
i hope that makes sense
Ianhockey91
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Because hes a jackass.
silverbackn
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Because he has no sense of reality, he will be humbled soon by his own measures. I think it just rubbed some the wrong way.e6er said:
Actually its still enhancing their genetics. They will not get large like pro large unless the genetics are there. If God did not put it in you whenyou were up in heaven in your momma's belly it will not happen no matter what. Like Silverbackin said...its like wanting to be a Olympic sprinter...great but.....mm107 said:
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bigden1971
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silverbackn and QuadSweep unfortunately are correct in this argument. Proper nutrition, proper training, proper "supplementation," and proper rest will get an individual to a certain level, but genetics is what determines a champion at the pro level.
I have friends of mine who used gear when they were in their early 20's, and they always seemed to be the ones who retained the most of the mass they had gained post cycle. I mean, these guys didn't know a damn thing about PCT ten years ago, and they still were able to transform their physique from an ectomorph to a mesomorph. This was also before tren came into the limelight. I strongly feel guys who use gear in their early 20's keep more of their mass, as opposed to say, some guy who waits until he is in his 30's to use gear. The younger guys natural testosterone levels bounce back to normal much faster than the older guys. Looking back, I wished I didn't wait until I was 30 to start.....
I have friends of mine who used gear when they were in their early 20's, and they always seemed to be the ones who retained the most of the mass they had gained post cycle. I mean, these guys didn't know a damn thing about PCT ten years ago, and they still were able to transform their physique from an ectomorph to a mesomorph. This was also before tren came into the limelight. I strongly feel guys who use gear in their early 20's keep more of their mass, as opposed to say, some guy who waits until he is in his 30's to use gear. The younger guys natural testosterone levels bounce back to normal much faster than the older guys. Looking back, I wished I didn't wait until I was 30 to start.....
Well my stats now are 220 5"10 10%bf bench:365, squat:600, deads:495. I have awesome abs at about 205. Now ive gained a little fat, but a shit-load of strength. I am a personal trainer at a gym. I definately think I can compete in the future as I have great potential for 21. And yeah maybe I am a geneticly freaky bad-ass, but I wasn't always big and strong and I think with years of hard work, a good diet, and AAS anyone can get huge w/ or w/o good genetics. THat is my point!
Bruce
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funny so genetics has nothing to do with the fact that i can eat whatever i want and never add an ounce of fat, but my boy has to eat chicken and brown rice to stay even near my bf which is not possible cause of his GENETICS. it must have nothing to do with my other boy who eats like a bird and looks like a hulk. genetics must play no factor in guys like makavelli who will tell you his biceps and abs are predetermined to look as good as they do. genetics must have nothing to do with the arnold, ronnie serge louie, just naming different body types. you are a moron. gear has nothing to do with any of it its diet training and GENETICS. gear is just an additive like a boost of turbo on an engine. the engine is only gonna be as good as it is built, constructed, and taken care of no matter how big the turbo.
drrman
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2-Swole said:
completely and utterly 10000000% disagree with you.
you are only 21 and you are saying your "years" of hard work? bro, you aren't old enough to even be talking like that. And just to let you know, EVERYONE on EF is at LEAST 245lbs, no one is over 10% bodyfat, everyone benches over 400 lbs, and everyone has a 15" cock, so it looks like you are pretty much near the tail end of the line around here!!!!
you need to get your ass to work
mrdeeznuts
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drrman said:
i have a 15" cock, bench is only 375 one rep max though and i'm no where near 245lbs but i am close to 10% bf
Ianhockey91
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Im shorter than 8".................after swimming in 40 degree water.drrman said:
2-Swole said:
i have to disagree...how many people do you see walking around looking like ronnie coleman. there are guys out there that are probably just as dedicated as he is, guys on this board probably, that bust their asses, take gear, eat like horses that cant get anywhere near him. i know that was an extreme example, but its proof that genetics plays a factor on who can be considered elite and who arent.
mrdeeznuts
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drrman said:
yo its a miss type 1.5"
Yeah and I will work my ass off to make my new pals here at this board proud of me!
2-Swole said:
Unwittingly you have proven the 'genetics are king' crowd correct. You admit that your results are extremely atypical, yet you only have access to the same drugs, training mode, etc. that others do. Genetics are the reason you respond so vigorously.
Silent Method
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Didn't read past the first 5 posts, but here's my take.
Genetics IS complete bullshit AS AN EXCUSE! If you think it dosen't make a huge difference, whether on or off juice, take a look around! But no matter who you are and what yor genes say you still have the capacity to sculpt a lean, attractive, muscular physique.
unless you're Greg Valantino...that guy's screwed
Genetics IS complete bullshit AS AN EXCUSE! If you think it dosen't make a huge difference, whether on or off juice, take a look around! But no matter who you are and what yor genes say you still have the capacity to sculpt a lean, attractive, muscular physique.
unless you're Greg Valantino...that guy's screwed
Silent Method
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lol
"Usetobe" is a worse excuse than genetics.
"Usetobe" is a worse excuse than genetics.
gettnlarge01
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if genetics didn"t matter I wouldn"t have been moving more weight than him at a bodyweight of 165lbs!!! I can gain strength but gaining size has been a life long mission for me.If that"s not genetics someone needs to explain to me what it is
mr_disfunkshun
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See i think gentics are key... not saying that anyone can be ronnie ... but knowing what your gentics are can help because ... you can pin point what works for what body style... Like an endonorph doing traing that is suited for a mesomorph you will just be spinning your wheels ... thats why most people stop training .. Lack of results Why becasue they cant get where they want and the ones that do keep pushing through untill they hit there nitch . WHICH WORKS FOR THEM ....... becasue they found through trail and error what works and all the time its becasue what work for them suits there GENTICS .........here is a breif run down on gentic profiles
Ectomorphs are generally tall and thin and have long arms and legs. These people have difficulty gaining weight and muscle no matter how much they eat or how hard they weight train. They have the body type you tend to see in ballet dancers, runway models, long-distance runners, and some basketball players. A very small proportion of the population has this type of body.
Mesomorphs
are generally muscular, shorter, and have stocky arms and legs. These people are strong and tend to gain muscle mass when they do strength training. They may find it difficult to lose weight, but they excel in power sports like soccer, softball, vaulting in gymnastics, sprinting events in track and field.
Endomorphs
are generally shaped like apples or pears and carry more body fat. Their bodies resist losing weight and body fat no matter how restrictive they are with their eating. In fact, the more they “diet,” the more their metabolisms slow down to resist weight loss. These people are better able to handle long periods of starvation and famine (which was a benefit to our ancestors). Sports they excel at are distance swimming, field
Now here is the trick even though you are one style you can carry a trat of another So ..... know what gentics you are can pint point the right tranning and diet ...
Ectomorphs are generally tall and thin and have long arms and legs. These people have difficulty gaining weight and muscle no matter how much they eat or how hard they weight train. They have the body type you tend to see in ballet dancers, runway models, long-distance runners, and some basketball players. A very small proportion of the population has this type of body.
Mesomorphs
are generally muscular, shorter, and have stocky arms and legs. These people are strong and tend to gain muscle mass when they do strength training. They may find it difficult to lose weight, but they excel in power sports like soccer, softball, vaulting in gymnastics, sprinting events in track and field.
Endomorphs
are generally shaped like apples or pears and carry more body fat. Their bodies resist losing weight and body fat no matter how restrictive they are with their eating. In fact, the more they “diet,” the more their metabolisms slow down to resist weight loss. These people are better able to handle long periods of starvation and famine (which was a benefit to our ancestors). Sports they excel at are distance swimming, field
Now here is the trick even though you are one style you can carry a trat of another So ..... know what gentics you are can pint point the right tranning and diet ...
kmoe42
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somebody might have said this cuz im not readin every reply..but can someone delete this for its stupidity and complete disregard to common knowledge.. heres a quote from billy madison : mr madison wut u have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever hear no were in ur incoherent rambling could u have ever came across a rational thought.. u are awarded no points and may god have mercy on ur soul.. shame to u who posted this
Cauliflower Ear
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gentics are a lot...i think the best for building is tall and broad shouldered...then you can pack on the weight...if you are short and large...it is harder to look shredded
linux
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As a scientist, and as probably one of the few members of this board that has actually taken a course on genetics, im horrified by the statement genetics dont matter. I wasnt aware we had actually catalogued the human genome with respect to bodybuilding. Genetics make us who we are. You cannot over come your genetic potential. The arugument that the skinny kid overcame his bad genetics and become a monster is silly. Did some test his genetics and give him a "poor" rating. The kid was skinny but had the genetic potential to be huge. If genetics mean nothing why are the women bodybuilders still substancially smaller than men. The woman are taking all the same supplements these days the men are. The reason is genetics. Im sure we all know the guy who trains hard, eats right, takes loads of drugs, but just wont grow. The reason genetics. Conversely there are the guys that eat like shit, hardly train, and grow like weeds. The reason again is genetics.
linux said:
Perhaps all the failures are due to lack of will to succeed. How do we measure the will to succeed? I think many posters are equating genetics with an inescapable limitation, not a molecular entity. We all may be arguing about an unrelated topic as we have yet to really define what we mean by 'genetics'.
needtogetaas
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what the hell just one more i love bombing this guy.lol
needtogetaas
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ya looks like we all found the our targit of intrust to.lol2-Swole said:I agree w/ u silent method and thats what i was trying to say! And sorry gettnlarge01 u can't outlift me
jonson whats up bro.
needtogetaas
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ya neg karma thread.hit that bro up with some good old red.lolmightymouse69 said:
linux
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I thinks it pretty easy to define genetics, ie the recipe that makes each of us unique...Taking out will, drive, desire, and all the intangibles you are still left with a fundamental genetic ability/limit. I can train harder, faster and better than any human on this planet and I still will not run a sub 10 second 100 meter dash.
supertech69
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Silent Method said:
Damnit! I think I am a Usetobe at this point!
It's not my fault though, I blame it all on my genetics
Silent Method
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No way dude. Just start using cell-tech. If you're really hardcore, stack it with nitro-tech and you'll be a quivering mountain of striated granite like mass in 6 weeks or less!supertech69 said:Damnit! I think I am a Usetobe at this point!
It's not my fault though, I blame it all on my genetics
c3bodybuilding
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I'll be honest, I didn't read the whole thread. But I can tell you that you are wrong. Genetics is a huge part of bodybuilding success or lack there of. A lot of people can get big or super lean but if you don't have a nice flow or good muscle shape then you won't look as good as someone who does have those gifts. You even see it in the pro's. Someone like Greg Kovaks could never attain the beautiful type of build Flex Wheeler once had. That's genetics right there. If it were just training and drugs there would be a lot more Colemans, Steve Reeves, Arnolds, etc out there. There's a reason why guys like those only seem to come around once in a lifetime and it's not drugs.
gettnlarge01
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IF I CAN"T OUTLIFT YOU GIVE ME AN EDUCATED REASON WHY.2-Swole said:I agree w/ u silent method and thats what i was trying to say! And sorry gettnlarge01 u can't outlift me
gymratforlife
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Ahhh the all mighty Genetics thread strikes again.Now it will be shortly followed by the can you drink the winny thread and the bodybuilding EF contest between Fonz and Satch
and Garth,ohhhh wait those guys arent around anymore.This board is like a broken record lol
and Garth,ohhhh wait those guys arent around anymore.This board is like a broken record lol
gymratforlife
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LOL bro PM me your #,I lost it with my old cellphone.Holding on to 200 right now abs pretty much faded to 4 but just started cutting on just 400mg test and feeling pretty good.Thinking of stocking up on some gh for the year as soon as I stoped being so damn broke lol.buffalo said:
buffalo
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gymratforlife said:LOL bro PM me your #,I lost it with my old cellphone.Holding on to 200 right now abs pretty much faded to 4 but just started cutting on just 400mg test and feeling pretty good.Thinking of stocking up on some gh for the year as soon as I stoped being so damn broke lol.
I sent ya a pm.
Quadsweep said:Exactly. You cannot bake a cake without the right ingredients.... to simplify.
Q.
Nor make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
chazk
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yea the fat lady at the circus has 20 inch arms big deal. But to have peaked bi's and horse shoe tri's of metal perfectly etched and symetric to the rest of the body is pure genetics.
But on the other hand going from 185 to 220 is not unrealistic on a first cycle. With mega calories I know I can gain 20lbs of fat in 3 months by eating everything in site.So if you gained 20 in fat and 15 in muscle and water retention i would not be surprised.
But on the other hand going from 185 to 220 is not unrealistic on a first cycle. With mega calories I know I can gain 20lbs of fat in 3 months by eating everything in site.So if you gained 20 in fat and 15 in muscle and water retention i would not be surprised.
gettnlarge01
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a pizza only diet works well for putting on the pounds!!!
Ramcononer
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drrman said:
Actually Im about 13.5% bf..I cant even bench 300lbs and my pee pee is smaller than 15" damn I suck...I should kick my moms ass for THOSE SHITTY GENETICS! lol
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