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same boat as you,
6'3"
18
174Ib right now
luckily I don't aspire to be huge.
I'd say yes its possible, as one person pointed out to me, you may be in a better position than you think.
You have trouble putting on weight but that probably means you shed it off really fast. That means you can eat huge, and not worry as much about fat gain as others because your disposed to shed that shit off quick when you want to.
besides being only 18 you may find later in life your metabolism slows and your no longer a hard gainer.
6'3"
18
174Ib right now
luckily I don't aspire to be huge.
I'd say yes its possible, as one person pointed out to me, you may be in a better position than you think.
You have trouble putting on weight but that probably means you shed it off really fast. That means you can eat huge, and not worry as much about fat gain as others because your disposed to shed that shit off quick when you want to.
besides being only 18 you may find later in life your metabolism slows and your no longer a hard gainer.
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SSAlexSS
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Jon.W. said:
Yes you can weight 250pounds, it just might not be muscle... 250 pounds at 6' feet is VERY UNLIKELY.
I know one guy who is 6'1 and weighted 235 pounds naturally without AS. (Now he weights around 300 pounds from using AS) He has genetics ABOVE AVERAGE and he only managed to go up to 235 pounds being TALLER then you. How can you with "hardgainer" genes surpass that above average guy?
Also unfortunately without serious AS you might not be able to be HUGE. In order to be huge on AS you need to be HUGE before taking em. AS amplify your muscles. If you never had muscles it is unlikely that you will have them with AS. If you dont have the genetics for abs, no amount of gear will give it to you. If you don't have big muscles now, with training, then even with AS the results might not be that good. Not only you start with little muscle but you respond poorly to AS.
Other people on other hand, not only are muscular as hell BEFORE using AS , but can make GREAT gains from using AS.
LIFE ISN'T FAIR! Howeever set realistic goals. And maybe MAYBE with lots of gear you could reach that level.... Even Arnold did not weight that much. How can you beat Arnold Scwartnegger?
Sniperwolf
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Enock, you make a good point about being young and having a fast metabolism. When I was 18-24 I had a fast metabolism. I couldn't put on weight no matter how much I ate or drunk. I was 6 ft and continuously weighed in at about 180 pounds. I ate so much that I could have been a serious contender in an eating competition. I always looked small when I looked in a mirror. However, as I got older my metabolism slowed up and I suddenly found it easy to put on weight. When I was 25, in a 7 month period I went from 175 pounds to 225 pounds. I thought this was great initially, but I also noticed that I had put on quite a bit of fat around my midsection which didn't impress me. (I had never been fat in my life I was always a skinny guy.) Although I looked huge in a t-shirt and everyone commented on how big I was, I wasn't happy with how I looked. When I went back home one year my mother saw me and said I looked like a brick with eyes. I then decided that I wanted to be smaller and cut. This was funny considering that I had finally become huge after six years of training and I now wanted to cut down to about 190-200 pounds. In my opinion when you are a teenager or in your early twenties the goal is to look like someone in a BB magazine but as you get older your goals can change and many people just want to look toned and cut--putting on size isn't as important as it used to be. Now I am 28 and I am 200 pounds with about 8 percent body fat and I'm happy with how I'm looking. If you can get to 220 pounds naturally with a low body fat you've done extremely well and I take my hat off to you. But for me 220 pounds made me look a little fat. I want to be able to take my shirt off and look like superman rather than look like superman and take my shirt off and look like Clarke Kent.
hey, uh, I don't know if you know this or not, but clark kent and superman are the same guy
lol, jk
Anything is possible
Who's to say that you will never reach 250, only you can decide how big you want to be, and you have to try to become that big any way that you can, if you can reach 250 naturally then great, but someday you might find that it's not possible, keep training and hope for the best
btw, what's your program that you have trouble gaining on just to make sure you are a hardgainer and not on a bad program
lol, jk
Anything is possible
Who's to say that you will never reach 250, only you can decide how big you want to be, and you have to try to become that big any way that you can, if you can reach 250 naturally then great, but someday you might find that it's not possible, keep training and hope for the best
btw, what's your program that you have trouble gaining on just to make sure you are a hardgainer and not on a bad program
Thanks for ur responses everyone,- Goin_big:- i have not trained or ate properly for about 3 weeks now because of important exams and revision. This thursday they are all over and i will start my routines with more dedication than ever,- (do you know how horrible it is to not be able to train and then lose muscle?) I can put on weight if i eat enuff-its as simple as that. i will start eating 4500-5000 kals a day and will be eating about 250 grams of protein hopefully. I will use the same workouts as before- 1 full body workout evry 4 days with my weights bench. This includes squats, deadlifts, benches, dumbell curls, chins, calf raises e.t.c. I have to make do with what ive got. Do you think a 4 weeks bulking programme with 2 weeks off would work?
I've _always_ had to cut down after bulking, but I'm about six foot and 220 is not too bad in size. I'm about 208 after cutting right now, so I hope to build up to 220 in another year/year and a half.
The only things I use when bulking are weight gainer and creatine. I'm starting my next bulking cycle in Aug and I'll go for 16 weeks (only the first half on creatine).
Work hard for two - three years and you'll be happy with your results. Even if it's not 250 pounds.
-B
The only things I use when bulking are weight gainer and creatine. I'm starting my next bulking cycle in Aug and I'll go for 16 weeks (only the first half on creatine).
Work hard for two - three years and you'll be happy with your results. Even if it's not 250 pounds.
-B
it may take you a while...... but oh what the reward.
who is going to take the stage's attention at a contest
the short little ball of muscle....... or the hulk that walks up behind him and casts a shadow over the others?
hmmmm....... hang in there....... it will come, dont be anxious.
who is going to take the stage's attention at a contest
the short little ball of muscle....... or the hulk that walks up behind him and casts a shadow over the others?
hmmmm....... hang in there....... it will come, dont be anxious.
absolute hardgainer
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Enjoy being a hardgainer.
I know I do.
A path without challenges is not worth travelling.
hardgainer (still travelling)
I know I do.
A path without challenges is not worth travelling.
hardgainer (still travelling)
Maximum Intensity
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It amazes me how everyone defines themselves as "hardgainers." Just because you are skinny does not mean that you are a hardgainer. That word is nothing more than a crutch that is used by far to many people as an excuse to explain why they don't get the results they are striving for. Guess what -- the world doesn't always work the way you planned. You are 18 years old -- you are a pup in this sport. I have been training seriously for about 8 years now. I have trained my ass off all 8 years, but it was not until about 3 years ago that I learned what worked for me. Do I consider myself a hardgainer -- no. Have I ever considered myself a hardgainer -- no. I knew it took time and experience to learn what works for me. Very few people are true hard gainers -- they just don't have the knowledge or experience needed for this sport. That is not to say that you will blow up like a balloon once you figure out your tailored training style. Doesn't work that way. My legs grow slowly in comparison to the rest of my body. Do I automatically define myslef as a hardgainer or make excuses about my genetics -- no. I train my ass off each time a step foot in the gym and I am gratefull for every inch that I add to my legs and every tem pounds that I add to the bar. Stop making excuses and train you ass off. You should be training so hard that you notice nothing else around you except the pain and agony that you experience. If you are not ready to do that, then go home.
Sorry for the rant, but these excuses get old.
Sorry for the rant, but these excuses get old.
GenetiKing
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FitFossil said:That's everyone EXCEPT women - they all think they "bulk easily". Yeah, right...all these women are just freaky genetic marvels disguised in their Ally McBeal bodies!
LOL!!!
Maximum Intensity said:
I agree.
Welsh power house
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Give this a try..... http://www.geocities.com/megagainer
A few lads up the rugby club have gained 50lbs in under 3 weeks on a similer program to get HUGE!!
A few lads up the rugby club have gained 50lbs in under 3 weeks on a similer program to get HUGE!!
nevertoobig
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Maximum Intensity ,
There are definitely people with 'hardgainer' genetics and ectomorph body types. I train with one and he works damn hard in all aspects of bodybuilding. (Hes progressing, just not as fast as the average guy)
Mesomorph - A person who gains lean muscle easily.
ECTOMORPH - A PERSON WHO FINDS IT HARD TO GAIN MUSCLE OR FAT. They cannot gain weight, so they usually remain thin until their metabolism slows down; even then some ectos cannot gain weight.
Endomorph - A person who finds it easy to put on weight in the form of both muscle and fat. They are ususally naturally rounded.
If you think that hardgainers are skinny because they dont train as hard or intelligently as you, then in a lot of cases you are mistaken. However, it is up to them to find what works best and this will take some time, as it says above, they'll find it much harder than most people until their metabolism slows.
Oh yeah, hardgainers shouldn't train their ass off so hard that all they feel pain and agony. This doesnt work for hardgainers, 'more is not better in this case!'
If you train like this and gain, then no your not a hardgainer. (At least not any more)
There are definitely people with 'hardgainer' genetics and ectomorph body types. I train with one and he works damn hard in all aspects of bodybuilding. (Hes progressing, just not as fast as the average guy)
Mesomorph - A person who gains lean muscle easily.
ECTOMORPH - A PERSON WHO FINDS IT HARD TO GAIN MUSCLE OR FAT. They cannot gain weight, so they usually remain thin until their metabolism slows down; even then some ectos cannot gain weight.
Endomorph - A person who finds it easy to put on weight in the form of both muscle and fat. They are ususally naturally rounded.
If you think that hardgainers are skinny because they dont train as hard or intelligently as you, then in a lot of cases you are mistaken. However, it is up to them to find what works best and this will take some time, as it says above, they'll find it much harder than most people until their metabolism slows.
Oh yeah, hardgainers shouldn't train their ass off so hard that all they feel pain and agony. This doesnt work for hardgainers, 'more is not better in this case!'
If you train like this and gain, then no your not a hardgainer. (At least not any more)
Maximum Intensity
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First, the point that you are missing is that way to many people define themselves as hardgainers simply because they don't progress as fast as they would like. That word is thrown around about as much as the word natural -- it is used as a crutch to blame their lack of gains on. Are there hardgainers -- yes. Is every ectomorph a hardgainer, absolutely not. That is where the problem lies, people define themselves as hardgainers simply because they have an actomorph body type. That is not what is meant by a hardgainer.
Second, hardgainers do need to work their asses off on each set they perform. The difference is that the amount of sets or volume if you will is far less than the average trainer. If it meant they could go into the gym throw some weights around without ever hitting failure, then 90% of those who go to the gym would be completely jacked. Very few people want to hit the pain barrier yet alone go beyond -- look at your average Joe in the gym, they are average because that is the way they train. One set can bring you to tears -- this is not a volume term. If you don't understand this concept, then you are not training at maximum intensity and you do not understand what it means to train hard -- period. Anyone can perform countless sets in the gym and most people do. Those who make gains in the gym know how to get everything out of each set they perform -- they know what intensity means. Being defined as a hardgainer does not mean that you don't have to work hard, it means you have to kick ass within the volume you are performing.
Second, hardgainers do need to work their asses off on each set they perform. The difference is that the amount of sets or volume if you will is far less than the average trainer. If it meant they could go into the gym throw some weights around without ever hitting failure, then 90% of those who go to the gym would be completely jacked. Very few people want to hit the pain barrier yet alone go beyond -- look at your average Joe in the gym, they are average because that is the way they train. One set can bring you to tears -- this is not a volume term. If you don't understand this concept, then you are not training at maximum intensity and you do not understand what it means to train hard -- period. Anyone can perform countless sets in the gym and most people do. Those who make gains in the gym know how to get everything out of each set they perform -- they know what intensity means. Being defined as a hardgainer does not mean that you don't have to work hard, it means you have to kick ass within the volume you are performing.
I see what you guys are saying about hard gainers, BUT some people CANNOT gain weight until their metabolism slows down. When I was younger I tried everything to gain weight and could not gain more than a couple of pounds if any at all. I tried all kinds of lifting programs and only got stronger(not bigger).
I also was contently hungry and ate all the time(at least every 2 hr all day long).
Now in my mid twentys I am able to finally put on some decent size, but I still have to eat twice as much as most people.
Moral of the story is that it is not always a crutch for hardgainers to lean on, and blame their lack of progress on.
I also was contently hungry and ate all the time(at least every 2 hr all day long).
Now in my mid twentys I am able to finally put on some decent size, but I still have to eat twice as much as most people.
Moral of the story is that it is not always a crutch for hardgainers to lean on, and blame their lack of progress on.
Maximum Intensity
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I am not saying the term is a crutch for hard gainers to lean on. I agree whole heartedly that there are those unfortunate souls who are hardgainers. What I am saying is that to many people classify themselves as hardgainers when in fact they are not. Anybody can train hard, anybody eat a lot, anybody can eat correctly, but until you get everything in motion with one another some people are going to have a harder time gaining muscle than others. What works for me is not necessarily going to work for you and vice versa. I have a sixteen year old brother who was as skinny as a bean pole -- he couldn't gain weight to save his life even though he was training hard and "eating all the time." All I did is changed when, how much, the types of protein he was consuming -- brought everything down to single terms that he could follow. Guess what -- he gained 10 pounds in two months. All I m saying is that simply because you are not gaining weight does not mean you are a hard gainer -- it could mean you aren't doing something correctly.
absolute hardgainer
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Maximum Intensity:
Some good points, well taken. Being a hardgainer doesn't necessarily mean an excuse. Nor is it a crutch to lean on. I consider myself a hardgainer, because I have to work HARD to make gains. Sure we all have to do that... so maybe there are really more hardgainers out there than we assume. Apart from a few very gifted people who put on gains very easily (or maybe they just work harder or know something we don't) a lot of us would qualify as hardgainers. Just because not all hardgainers consider themselves hardgainers and some use it as excuse to be actual nogainers shouldn't devalue the term "hardgainer".
I certainly feel that being a hardgainer is not an excuse or a burden but a blessing that has granted me a greater challenge. I love challenging myself and overcoming those challenges. If the challenge is easy then there is a risk that I won't apply myself as much and in case of weight training won't train as intensely and as thoroughly as I should and would like to...
Consider the comparison to a subject (IE Mathmatics) that you have to study for to attain a certain grade.
Now, if you are naturally good at this subject it might easily lead you to become complacent or even lazy about studying for your grade. In the end you might achieve a lower grade than what you should really be capable of, just because you had it too easy.
If on the other hand this is a subject you struggle with you might take it as an incentive to apply yourself extra hard and reach beyond your potential.
I know my comparison is a little abstract but I hope you can see me point.
Lastly being a hardgainer can be re-interpreted by disecting the word into two characteristics simply by splitting the word...
Being a gainer - no matter how little you gain, as long as you are getting better every day you are on the right track.
Being hard - not necessarily meaning your muscles, being hard at it as in being hard at training and pushing yourself beyond your limits.
hardgainer (absolutely)
Some good points, well taken. Being a hardgainer doesn't necessarily mean an excuse. Nor is it a crutch to lean on. I consider myself a hardgainer, because I have to work HARD to make gains. Sure we all have to do that... so maybe there are really more hardgainers out there than we assume. Apart from a few very gifted people who put on gains very easily (or maybe they just work harder or know something we don't) a lot of us would qualify as hardgainers. Just because not all hardgainers consider themselves hardgainers and some use it as excuse to be actual nogainers shouldn't devalue the term "hardgainer".
I certainly feel that being a hardgainer is not an excuse or a burden but a blessing that has granted me a greater challenge. I love challenging myself and overcoming those challenges. If the challenge is easy then there is a risk that I won't apply myself as much and in case of weight training won't train as intensely and as thoroughly as I should and would like to...
Consider the comparison to a subject (IE Mathmatics) that you have to study for to attain a certain grade.
Now, if you are naturally good at this subject it might easily lead you to become complacent or even lazy about studying for your grade. In the end you might achieve a lower grade than what you should really be capable of, just because you had it too easy.
If on the other hand this is a subject you struggle with you might take it as an incentive to apply yourself extra hard and reach beyond your potential.
I know my comparison is a little abstract but I hope you can see me point.
Lastly being a hardgainer can be re-interpreted by disecting the word into two characteristics simply by splitting the word...
Being a gainer - no matter how little you gain, as long as you are getting better every day you are on the right track.
Being hard - not necessarily meaning your muscles, being hard at it as in being hard at training and pushing yourself beyond your limits.
hardgainer (absolutely)
endpoint
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A hard gainer is some one who hasnt learnt to eat and train for there body type.
simple as that.
Im not a hard gainer......im a fat gainer
i gotta watch out sometimes.
I bet you lean string beans wish you had a body type like mine.........but i wish i had a body type like yours....i wish i could eat anything.
.......dont give in......results do come.
Now i gotta go jump on a bike and burn off a few fat cells
simple as that.
Im not a hard gainer......im a fat gainer
i gotta watch out sometimes.
I bet you lean string beans wish you had a body type like mine.........but i wish i had a body type like yours....i wish i could eat anything.
.......dont give in......results do come.
Now i gotta go jump on a bike and burn off a few fat cells
Welsh power house said:Give this a try..... http://www.geocities.com/megagainer
A few lads up the rugby club have gained 50lbs in under 3 weeks on a similer program to get HUGE!!
hahahahahahahahaha, that is the funniest site I've ever seen.
I hope nobody really follows that guys training plan.
"Never ever do bench press, squats, or conventional deadlifts."
LMMFAO
