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No shit! Go figure that out! Like this needed a scientific analysis!

Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ
Monday, May 09, 2005

STORIES
•FDA to Ban Gay Sperm Donors
WASHINGTON — Gay men's brains respond differently from those of heterosexual males when exposed to a sexual stimulus, researchers have found.

The homosexual men's brains responded more like those of women when the men sniffed a chemical from the male hormone testosterone (search).

"It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University (search) in Ontario, Canada.

Witelson, who was not part of the research team, said the findings clearly show a biological involvement in sexual orientation.

The study, published in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was done by researchers at the Karolinska Institute (search) in Stockholm, Sweden.

They exposed heterosexual men and women and homosexual men to chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones.

These chemicals are thought to be pheromones (search) — molecules known to trigger responses such as defense and sex in many animals.


Whether humans respond to pheromones has been debated, although in 2000 American researchers reported finding a gene that they believe directs a human pheromone receptor in the nose.

The Swedish study was one of a series looking at whether parts of the brain involved in reproduction differ in response to odors and pheromones, lead researcher Ivanka Savic said.

The brains of different groups responded similarly to ordinary odors such as lavender, but differed in their response to the chemicals thought to be pheromones, Savic said.

The Swedish researchers divided 36 subjects into three groups — heterosexual men, heterosexual women and homosexual men. They studied the brain response to sniffing the chemicals, using PET scans. All the subjects were healthy, unmedicated, right-handed and HIV negative.

When they sniffed smells like cedar or lavender, all of the subjects' brains reacted only in the olfactory region that handles smells.

But when confronted by a chemical from testosterone, the male hormone, portions of the brains active in sexual activity were activated in straight women and in gay men, but not in straight men, the researchers found.

The response in gay men and straight women was concentrated in the hypothalamus with a maximum in the preoptic area that is active in hormonal and sensory responses necessary for sexual behavior, the researchers said.

And when estrogen, the female hormone was used, there was only a response in the olfactory portion of the brains of straight women. Homosexual men had their primary response also in the olfactory area, with a very small reaction in the hypothalamus, while heterosexual men responded strongly in the reproductive region of the brain.

Savic said the group is also doing a study involving homosexual women but those results are not yet complete.

In a separate study looking at people's response to the body odors of others, researchers in Philadelphia found sharp differences between gay and straight men and women.

"Our findings support the contention that gender preference has a biological component that is reflected in both the production of different body odors and in the perception of and response to body odors," said neuroscientist Charles Wysocki, who led the study.

In particular, he said, finding differences in body odors between gay and straight individuals indicates a physical difference.

It's hard to see how a simple choice to be gay or lesbian would influence the production of body odor, he said.

Wysocki's team at the Monell Chemical Senses Center studied the response of 82 heterosexual and homosexual men and heterosexual and homosexual women to the odors of underarm sweat collected from 24 donors of varied gender and sexual orientation.

They found that gay men differed from heterosexual men and women and from lesbian women, both in terms of which body odors gay men preferred and how their own body odors were regarded by the other groups.

Gay men preferred odors from gay men, while odors from gay men were the least preferred by heterosexual men and women and by lesbian women in the study. Their findings, released Monday, are to be published in the journal Psychological Science in September.

The Swedish research was funded by the Swedish Medical Research Council, the Karolinska Institute and the Magnus Bergvall Foundation. Wysocki's research was supported by the Monell Center.
 
not interested in saving them. just knew they were different. Can't understand a male that looks at another males ass and thinks that it is sexy over a female ass. That is just wrong.
 
Junk science, what would BF Skinner say about conditioning of brain chemistry. Theyd have to do a large ongitudinal Framingham type of study following the brain chemistry of people before as children before they became sexually active and defined themselves as gay or straight to even attempt such claims, a biased study. Rather than a biological cause, the more likely conclusion is that sexual activity influences brain chemistry.
 
chesty said:
No shit! Go figure that out! Like this needed a scientific analysis!

Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ
Monday, May 09, 2005

STORIES
•FDA to Ban Gay Sperm Donors
WASHINGTON — Gay men's brains respond differently from those of heterosexual males when exposed to a sexual stimulus, researchers have found.

The homosexual men's brains responded more like those of women when the men sniffed a chemical from the male hormone testosterone (search).

"It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University (search) in Ontario, Canada.

Witelson, who was not part of the research team, said the findings clearly show a biological involvement in sexual orientation.

The study, published in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was done by researchers at the Karolinska Institute (search) in Stockholm, Sweden.

They exposed heterosexual men and women and homosexual men to chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones.

These chemicals are thought to be pheromones (search) — molecules known to trigger responses such as defense and sex in many animals.


Whether humans respond to pheromones has been debated, although in 2000 American researchers reported finding a gene that they believe directs a human pheromone receptor in the nose.

The Swedish study was one of a series looking at whether parts of the brain involved in reproduction differ in response to odors and pheromones, lead researcher Ivanka Savic said.

The brains of different groups responded similarly to ordinary odors such as lavender, but differed in their response to the chemicals thought to be pheromones, Savic said.

The Swedish researchers divided 36 subjects into three groups — heterosexual men, heterosexual women and homosexual men. They studied the brain response to sniffing the chemicals, using PET scans. All the subjects were healthy, unmedicated, right-handed and HIV negative.

When they sniffed smells like cedar or lavender, all of the subjects' brains reacted only in the olfactory region that handles smells.

But when confronted by a chemical from testosterone, the male hormone, portions of the brains active in sexual activity were activated in straight women and in gay men, but not in straight men, the researchers found.

The response in gay men and straight women was concentrated in the hypothalamus with a maximum in the preoptic area that is active in hormonal and sensory responses necessary for sexual behavior, the researchers said.

And when estrogen, the female hormone was used, there was only a response in the olfactory portion of the brains of straight women. Homosexual men had their primary response also in the olfactory area, with a very small reaction in the hypothalamus, while heterosexual men responded strongly in the reproductive region of the brain.

Savic said the group is also doing a study involving homosexual women but those results are not yet complete.

In a separate study looking at people's response to the body odors of others, researchers in Philadelphia found sharp differences between gay and straight men and women.

"Our findings support the contention that gender preference has a biological component that is reflected in both the production of different body odors and in the perception of and response to body odors," said neuroscientist Charles Wysocki, who led the study.

In particular, he said, finding differences in body odors between gay and straight individuals indicates a physical difference.

It's hard to see how a simple choice to be gay or lesbian would influence the production of body odor, he said.

Wysocki's team at the Monell Chemical Senses Center studied the response of 82 heterosexual and homosexual men and heterosexual and homosexual women to the odors of underarm sweat collected from 24 donors of varied gender and sexual orientation.

They found that gay men differed from heterosexual men and women and from lesbian women, both in terms of which body odors gay men preferred and how their own body odors were regarded by the other groups.

Gay men preferred odors from gay men, while odors from gay men were the least preferred by heterosexual men and women and by lesbian women in the study. Their findings, released Monday, are to be published in the journal Psychological Science in September.

The Swedish research was funded by the Swedish Medical Research Council, the Karolinska Institute and the Magnus Bergvall Foundation. Wysocki's research was supported by the Monell Center.


Whut up bro!!! I haven't seen yoo's in a while!! I remember you from back in 2000 here on elite fitness.. you gave me some good tips and helped me critique my first cycle...I just wanted to give you a shout out to say thanks for the help back in the day..

Good look'n out bra!

Peace

-JR
 
Thanks, I am still here lurking in the shadows helping out when needed. How are things coming along?
 
Eringobraugh said:
Junk science, what would BF Skinner say about conditioning of brain chemistry. Theyd have to do a large ongitudinal Framingham type of study following the brain chemistry of people before as children before they became sexually active and defined themselves as gay or straight to even attempt such claims, a biased study. Rather than a biological cause, the more likely conclusion is that sexual activity influences brain chemistry.

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desiring to plug the hershey highway on a guy over some nice pink warm tunnel on a female just doesn't seem right in any book.
 
I'm still on the it's a "learned behavior" fence

which is cool with me

ask any girl if taking a cock up the ass was as natural as in her vagina
 
Eringobraugh said:
Junk science, what would BF Skinner say about conditioning of brain chemistry. Theyd have to do a large ongitudinal Framingham type of study following the brain chemistry of people before as children before they became sexually active and defined themselves as gay or straight to even attempt such claims, a biased study. Rather than a biological cause, the more likely conclusion is that sexual activity influences brain chemistry.
Good call, Brothabill.
 
no point being is both sexes can have pleasure with anal sex
it's just not natural
 
present me a hot chick who claims "I was born to have sperm pumped into my ass"
and I'd be all over her
just because
extra options and all
 
Undue worrying about other peoples sexual preferenes has also been studied with.........conclusions being made.

Conclusions that Chesty may not like................
 
They really have some stupid studies. It must be related to job security. It's simple really, line up 10 men on their knees and whichever 2 let a dude cram his dick down their throats obviously have a different way of thinking.
 
Without reading the article, the brain chemistry can change due to certain lifestyles and environmental influences.
 
That doesn't explain "straight brain men" who start fucking guys up the asses while in prison.

Their brain magically changes chemistry then?

Most straight men are a 20 year jail sentence away from sucking loads of cock.
 
biteme said:
Without reading the article, the brain chemistry can change due to certain lifestyles and environmental influences.
yup
oh the things I've done with my brain chemistry
 
Testosterone boy said:
How is your post cycle thing going?

I've only been off 2 weeks. I'll post up later. I wonder when all the mass is suppose to start falling off my bones, my strength diminish greatly, and the great depression sets in...... as some have suggested will happen.
 
biteme said:
I've only been off 2 weeks. I'll post up later. I wonder when all the mass is suppose to start falling off my bones, my strength diminish greatly, and the great depression sets in...... as some have suggested will happen.
takes 6-12 months to lose most artificially stimulated mass.

As for depression? I had more of that on cycle than off.

Partly caused by a whack Denver economy for sure...that is not bad these days however.
 
Gay brains definately work react smarter. I guess you can call that different.
 
AAP said:
Gay brains definately work react smarter. I guess you can call that different.
No doubt that gays are frequently very, very bright.


But you would also increase peoples intelligence if you removed an arm or a leg from them.

I think compensation has to be considered as a factor here.

You don't feel inadequate but society forces you to have doubts about the lifestyle periodically? No?

Anyways...I still see you marrying that big breasted neighbor and having 3 AAPs. One will be gay, one will be bi. One tri.

So it is. :)
 
AAP said:
Gay brains definately work react smarter. I guess you can call that different.

Nothin' but love for you. Not a manly kind of love though. :)
 
Razorguns said:
That doesn't explain "straight brain men" who start fucking guys up the asses while in prison.

Their brain magically changes chemistry then?

Most straight men are a 20 year jail sentence away from sucking loads of cock.
American Me
Edward james Olmos
 
American Me (1992) was the directing debut of long time character actor Edward James Olmos. This film is a historical fiction depiction of the rise of La Emme, The Mexican Mafia. The movie follows the lives of three street gang members who by a sad twist of fate end up in Juvenille Hall. From there they graduate to the big time. Folsom Prison. Inside the walls of Folsom, the three form the most powerful gang inside the California Penal System.

Olmos turns the story into a Shakespherian tragedy. A story about a dangerous cycle that repeats over and over within certain communities and how the lack of education can be dangerous. Like they say, an idle mind is the devil's playground. Many of these characters had too much "idle time" before they hit rock bottom. Olmos' direction, editing and use of lighting is that of a long time film-maker. The cinematography complements his directorial style. He makes these figures into noble persons who live and die by a code forged from blood, shanks and sweat. Great stuff from Mr. Olmos, a true masterpiece from a first time director.

Sadly, Mr. Olmos has took a lot of flack for this film and has made some powerful people very angry. If I were him I would have taken a safer route and gave the prison gangs some fake names and cut all ties to any "Technical Support" but that's not his style. He should be commended for his efforts because others wouldn't have the courage or conviction to do this. Mr. Olmos doesn't glamorize the lifestyle either. Although they're men of honor amongst themselves I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. But what people have to do to stay alive in prison should not be looked down upon and on the other hand, when one's on the outside they should leave what they learned within the prison walls. Because it's a whole different ball game out here.
 
chesty doesn't have a problem with gay anything. not my life style and I find it fundamentally wrong just based on the laws of nature and what sex is mainly for. Nature didn't design an ass to be pumped and then spit out offspring.
 
4everhung said:
I'm still on the it's a "learned behavior" fence

which is cool with me

ask any girl if taking a cock up the ass was as natural as in her vagina

Not true I know some women who like anal as well or better than regular sex. You'd be surprised how many women like anal if it's done right.
 
Razorguns said:
That doesn't explain "straight brain men" who start fucking guys up the asses while in prison.

Their brain magically changes chemistry then?

Most straight men are a 20 year jail sentence away from sucking loads of cock.
nope. TERRIBLE example.

in prison thats a power issue. without power you have NOTHING in jail, and will NOT survive. (see Langer, E.J. & Rodin, J. (1976)- basically those who have more control over their situations are happier and live longer, and also if someone has respect and power over others, they will have their support and backing and therefore less physical harm will come to em.

so basically its to have power over an individual, and those who do the assraping will NEVER suck a cock- gay or not- cause they will lose respect and power. the ones forced to suck cock are the bitches and have no power.

if the inmates with mass amounts of power and support start getting their rape on and getting their dick sucked on a regular basis and it turns into a pleasure thing- theyd rather get their jollys off on someone else than jerk off all the time - i am sure if someone was willing to have a conjugal visit with a murderer they assrapist would gladly choose her (for pleasure).

again, even if the guy starts enjoying fucking someone in the ass and getting their dick sucked by a guy, it dont make em gay. homosexuality is a mindset, not a series of actions- otherwise BEING assraped would make you gay too
 
chesty said:
chesty doesn't have a problem with gay anything. not my life style and I find it fundamentally wrong just based on the laws of nature and what sex is mainly for. Nature didn't design an ass to be pumped and then spit out offspring.
so do u find sodemy to be wrong, or men liking men wrong. cause with your explination as for why, that would mean that you cant assplease your girl
 
Creepusmaximus said:
Not true I know some women who like anal as well or better than regular sex. You'd be surprised how many women like anal if it's done right.
I know that
I was commenting about thier first time and/or the early attempts
I can count on one hand the number of times I've done anal with a gal
the typical response when queried goes something similar to this
"I tried before and it hurts too much"
 
chesty said:
Thanks, I am still here lurking in the shadows helping out when needed. How are things coming along?

Not too bad.I'm about three months into an EQ winny cycle..I need to find out how to upload some pics so people can see the progress..

Good talkn to you bro.

Peace.
 
chesty said:
not interested in saving them. just knew they were different. Can't understand a male that looks at another males ass and thinks that it is sexy over a female ass. That is just wrong.



Actually, homosexual behavior has been scientifically documented on over 200 species of animals. It is a natural occurence. Sorry about your hang ups. :)
 
Name the 200 species with references to the studies that prove they are gay and normal.

I know for one a wolf pack in the North West, that when two males compete for control of the pack the winner emmulates gay sex on the losing male to humilate him in front of the pack.

Ass fucking is not natural. Especially between two men. I will please my girl however I choose. If she want's something within reason, I will do it for her. But that is between me and my girl.
 
chesty said:
Name the 200 species with references to the studies that prove they are gay and normal.

I know for one a wolf pack in the North West, that when two males compete for control of the pack the winner emmulates gay sex on the losing male to humilate him in front of the pack.

Ass fucking is not natural. Especially between two men. I will please my girl however I choose. If she want's something within reason, I will do it for her. But that is between me and my girl.




You never seem to be able to hang on to a girl so whatever.

The fact you have such tunnel vision with gay and "assfucking" is pathetic.

Grow the fuck up...
 
starfish said:
You never seem to be able to hang on to a girl so whatever.

The fact you have such tunnel vision with gay and "assfucking" is pathetic.

Grow the fuck up...
that was so uncalled for...
 
she is just a child. Let's see I have had two serious relationships in my 40 years and one lasted 8 and the other lasted 17. 2/3 of my life. I dont' think I have problem hanging on.

Just because I don't like fucking guys in the ass doesn't make me narrow minded.

Oh and by the way, thanks for the compliment.
 
starfish said:
Actually, homosexual behavior has been scientifically documented on over 200 species of animals. It is a natural occurence. Sorry about your hang ups. :)

In all of those cases, homosexual behavior is either one of dominance or of absence of the opposite sex. Sorry about your thesis.
 
chesty said:
Ass fucking is not natural. Especially between two men. I will please my girl however I choose. If she want's something within reason, I will do it for her. But that is between me and my girl.

How the fuck do you know what is natural and what isn't? Why is the ass such a pleasure spot for many if it's not natural? Why do blowjobs feel so good?

How are you even determining what is natural and what isn't? Haven't you ever jerked off? I don't see any children being born from that cum you left on the floor. How about that jizz load you shot in your girl's mouth?

Sex is a natural act or we wouldn't have a sex drive. Get over your moral, I can do whatever I want, but if you do something then it's wrong, bullshit.
 
Hmm, let m see, shove my dick up a shit hole and get shit all over it, not too mention god knows what germs.

If you like it great, you get piped up the ass or do the ass piping. If someone else likes it good for them. But just because you like it doesn't mean it is natural.
 
chesty said:
Hmm, let m see, shove my dick up a shit hole and get shit all over it, not too mention god knows what germs.

If you like it great, you get piped up the ass or do the ass piping. If someone else likes it good for them. But just because you like it doesn't mean it is natural.

You still haven't proven your point as to why it isn't natural. Cancer can kill and it's natural. Humans shit, it's natural. We get can get STDs, they're natural.

Just because you think it's gross doesn't mean it's not natural. Who died and made you God.
 
Reponse to stimuli can be conditioned, programmed or learned so I'm not sure how conclusive that is. Basically it's sexual deviation so I'd be more interested in seeing results based on that rather than the 'gay man' thing.
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
I hate the smell of men, not to fond of the smell of women, but I love the smell of gasoline, what's that make me?

Weird. I would stay away from hot tailpipes if i were you.
 
Testosterone boy said:
No doubt that gays are frequently very, very bright.

And this claim is based on what? There is no validity to this statement whatsoever. Please don't reference a few 'intelligent' gay individuals throughout history (Mozart, Einstein, etc).
 
Homophobic alert! "It just doesn't seem right"

Doesn't matter what "seems" right to you, people can do what they want and your opinion on the matter isn't going to change anything
 
ChewYxRage said:
Homophobic alert! "It just doesn't seem right"

Doesn't matter what "seems" right to you, people can do what they want and your opinion on the matter isn't going to change anything


The problem with the idea of a "gay gene" is if there were such a gene, it would have been bred out of the species long ago by natural selection. But you are right, people can and will do whatever they want.
 
it is unnatural because the basic purpose for sex is to procreate/propagate the species. Now you tell me how that is done dumping your shit in a tail pipe designed to excrete waste products. I already know what you are gonna say.

I find it unnatural, I believe it is unnatural. So far, I have not seen anything that proves that it is natural.
 
chesty said:
Name the 200 species with references to the studies that prove they are gay and normal.

I know for one a wolf pack in the North West, that when two males compete for control of the pack the winner emmulates gay sex on the losing male to humilate him in front of the pack.

Ass fucking is not natural. Especially between two men. I will please my girl however I choose. If she want's something within reason, I will do it for her. But that is between me and my girl.
how come you and your girl get to decide what is pleasing to you in privacy, but two grown men arnt allowed to decide what is pleasing to them?

thats a doublestandarardard
 
redguru said:
The problem with the idea of a "gay gene" is if there were such a gene, it would have been bred out of the species long ago by natural selection. But you are right, people can and will do whatever they want.
not if its recessive or if it is a gene that is only triggered to be active in certain cases in the uterus during the childs developement

and lets not forget there are plenty of gay men who marry and reproduce before they are fully aware or sure of their preference, or just simply to hide it from others
 
chesty said:
it is unnatural because the basic purpose for sex is to procreate/propagate the species. Now you tell me how that is done dumping your shit in a tail pipe designed to excrete waste products. I already know what you are gonna say.

I find it unnatural, I believe it is unnatural. So far, I have not seen anything that proves that it is natural.

i dont think you know the definition of natural. natural isnt what is ethical or correct by religions.

natural:

"existing in or produced by nature"
"unthinking; prompted by (or as if by) instinct"

if it exists in nature... (which is what our lives are- just because we are advanced and capable of complex thoughts and logic doesnt mean we are not a part of nature-) ....then it is natural

if some members of the human race like the same sex, or find buttsex pleasing then it is natural, just as natural as a kid playing with emselves(which kids used to get whiped for back in the day)-

and dont get cought up in the whole buttsex=gay thing. not all gay people like buttsex. take AAP, he always says hes never a bottom...he doesnt like recieving anal, but hes still gay(or aiint gay im still confused on that). lesbians dont do anal (unless its witha dildo i guess) and they are still gay


if you dont like homosexuality because you feel it is gross/vulgur or you are afraid of it, that is one thing, but if your reason for disliking it is because it is unnatural, then i hope iv made it possible for you to start accepting it
 
You will not be able to convince me that it is natural. Just as I will never convince a gay that his life style is unnatural.

My point is that being gay period is not natural and what you do in your home is your business. I don't want to hear about it.
 
chesty said:
You will not be able to convince me that it is natural. Just as I will never convince a gay that his life style is unnatural.

My point is that being gay period is not natural and what you do in your home is your business. I don't want to hear about it.
i agree with the fact that it is the individual's business, but reguardless of whether you think it is socially acceptable or not, homosexuality by definition a NATURAL occurance.
 
no it is not by definition a natural occurance. Jacking off is a natural occurance, eating pussy (male/female) is more natural than a guy sucking dick.

See, by who's definition. By someone who is gay it is a natural occurance. No one wants to do what is unatural because that would mean they are wrong or not right in the head.
 
SublimeZM said:
not if its recessive or if it is a gene that is only triggered to be active in certain cases in the uterus during the childs developement

and lets not forget there are plenty of gay men who marry and reproduce before they are fully aware or sure of their preference, or just simply to hide it from others

The "gay gene" soft science of the early 90's done by LeVay[1] and Hamer[2]) has been debunked for years now. If a "gay gene" were such a case, how come identical twins who share the "gay gene" aren't both gay?

large proportion of monozygotic twins who [did not share] homosexuality despite sharing not only their genes but also their prenatal and familial environments.[3]

The... [50% odds]... for homosexuality among the identical twins could be entirely accounted for by the increased similarity of their developmental experiences. In our opinion, the major finding of that study is that 48 percent of identical twins who were reared together [and where at least one was homosexual] were discordant for sexual orientation.[/I][4]

Also, new research taken up by Mustanski[5] in 2005 (since the entire human genome has been mapped) have found no gene with a locus score high enough to show predeliction for homosexual behavior.

A possibility exists for a gene suggestive to homosexual behavior but it is more probable that it is learned behavior.

[1] LeVay S (1991) A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men. Science 253:1034–1037

[2] Hamer DH, Hu S, Magnuson VL, Hu N, Pattatucci AM (1993) A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation. Science 261:321–327

[3]Byne W and Parsons B. Human sexual orientation: the biologic theories reappraised. Archives of General Psychiatry. 50, 3:230 (1993).

[4]Quoted by Horgan, J., Scientific American: Eugenics Revisited. June 1993, p. 123.

[5] Mustanski, B.S., DuPree, M.G., Nievergelt, C.M., Bocklandt, S., Schork, N.J. & Hamer, D.H. (2005). A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation. Human Genetics, 116(4), 272-278.
 
On a related topic:

The missionary position got its name because Christian Missionaries had to teach preliterate people this position, as they generally never had sex face to face.
 
chesty said:
it is unnatural because the basic purpose for sex is to procreate/propagate the species. Now you tell me how that is done dumping your shit in a tail pipe designed to excrete waste products. I already know what you are gonna say.

I find it unnatural, I believe it is unnatural. So far, I have not seen anything that proves that it is natural.

You said that the "basic purpose" for sex is to procreate, etc. While that is a basic purpose for sex, you cannot turn around and state that because someone gets off and doesn't procreate, then it's unnatural. Nature allows us the ability to enjoy sex while not bearing children. You think women and men that are sterile are unnatural because they can't reproduce and yet still choose to have sex?

Your reasoning is flawed. Nature also created AIDS, which not only can kill you, but can kill the child that you bear. That's Nature. It flies in the very face of your theory because it infects the population with a disease that does not have a cure, has killed millions and is spread thru sex, among other things. It kills people. By your theory, sex should be simply to pro-create. Sex, by nature, can also kill.

Nature isn't bound by your simplistic view of what it should be . . .
 
redguru said:
The "gay gene" soft science of the early 90's done by LeVay[1] and Hamer[2]) has been debunked for years now. If a "gay gene" were such a case, how come identical twins who share the "gay gene" aren't both gay?

large proportion of monozygotic twins who [did not share] homosexuality despite sharing not only their genes but also their prenatal and familial environments.[3]

The... [50% odds]... for homosexuality among the identical twins could be entirely accounted for by the increased similarity of their developmental experiences. In our opinion, the major finding of that study is that 48 percent of identical twins who were reared together [and where at least one was homosexual] were discordant for sexual orientation.[/I][4]

Also, new research taken up by Mustanski[5] in 2005 (since the entire human genome has been mapped) have found no gene with a locus score high enough to show predeliction for homosexual behavior.

A possibility exists for a gene suggestive to homosexual behavior but it is more probable that it is learned behavior.

[1] LeVay S (1991) A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men. Science 253:1034–1037

[2] Hamer DH, Hu S, Magnuson VL, Hu N, Pattatucci AM (1993) A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation. Science 261:321–327

[3]Byne W and Parsons B. Human sexual orientation: the biologic theories reappraised. Archives of General Psychiatry. 50, 3:230 (1993).

[4]Quoted by Horgan, J., Scientific American: Eugenics Revisited. June 1993, p. 123.

[5] Mustanski, B.S., DuPree, M.G., Nievergelt, C.M., Bocklandt, S., Schork, N.J. & Hamer, D.H. (2005). A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation. Human Genetics, 116(4), 272-278.

No one knows for sure why people are gay and no one can say that it's "more probable" that sexual orientation is a learned behavior and support it with facts.

Hermaphrodites have both male/female organs. Nature created them this way. Some men are more effiminate than others, some women are more masculine than others. This is true in both looks along with actions, in some cases.

Nature created many different types of things, it doesn't settle for such a militaristic, right-left, right-left, philosophy.
 
Testosterone boy said:
chesty said:
My point is that being gay period is not natural and what you do in your home is your business. I don't want to hear about it.[/QUOTE]
Interesting...since you started the thread?

Yeah - really - I was thinking the same damn thing. This back and forth opinion by chesty seems unnatural to me. :p
 
chesty said:
no it is not by definition a natural occurance. Jacking off is a natural occurance, eating pussy (male/female) is more natural than a guy sucking dick.

See, by who's definition. By someone who is gay it is a natural occurance. No one wants to do what is unatural because that would mean they are wrong or not right in the head.

Both are equally natural/unnatural. Eating food and communicating with other humans is why we have a tongue and a mouth.
 
chesty said:
my hetorosexual brain hurts now

I really don't think you are 100% heterosexual, or even 98% heterosexual. I've got a good hunch that you would suck some cock with the best of us, given the right circumstances.

Some of you talk the talk, but walk a really thin rope.
 
Funny thing...I spend about a minute a year think about homosexuality.

Others are obsessed with it.

I don't see why we can't leave each other alone?
 
perkele said:
Both are equally natural/unnatural. Eating food and communicating with other humans is why we have a tongue and a mouth.

True, in all actuality, both are deviant from the actual act.
 
justyxxxx said:
No one knows for sure why people are gay and no one can say that it's "more probable" that sexual orientation is a learned behavior and support it with facts.

Hermaphrodites have both male/female organs. Nature created them this way. Some men are more effiminate than others, some women are more masculine than others. This is true in both looks along with actions, in some cases.

Nature created many different types of things, it doesn't settle for such a militaristic, right-left, right-left, philosophy.

You are setting yourself up for a dangerous slippery slope. Hermaphrodites are an abberation, a congenital defect. Is it your opinion, then, that homosexuality is a defect?
 
redguru said:
You are setting yourself up for a dangerous slippery slope. Hermaphrodites are an abberation, a congenital defect. Is it your opinion, then, that homosexuality is a defect?

No - I'm not setting myself up for a dangerous slippery slope. Hermaphrodites were referenced to show that there is a bridge between the two sexes and that we're not as remote as some of you would like to believe.

Some would also state that homosexuality is a "defect", but the simple fact is, straights have crossed onto this bridge many times . . .

Humans aren't remote islands, we do have multiple bridges that connect us - more so than what some of you choose to believe.
 
all I did was post a news article, everyone esle chimed in. I made a statement. I continue to make statements to intentionally get you all to respond and it works.
 
Yeah the difference between male and female is 1/2 of a gene and sometimes the dna is fucked up and doesn't know what to do so it splits weird and you have a whatever.

What I don't understand is why the gays get all bent out of shape when someone says they are wrong or that they just don't like their lifestyle? They become militant. Not saying that all "straight" people are peaceful, but they don't in general resort to attacking others verbally or physically, etc. If gays were so sure about their position in life then why do they appear to be so angry all the time?
 
chesty said:
Yeah the difference between male and female is 1/2 of a gene and sometimes the dna is fucked up and doesn't know what to do so it splits weird and you have a whatever.

What I don't understand is why the gays get all bent out of shape when someone says they are wrong or that they just don't like their lifestyle? They become militant. Not saying that all "straight" people are peaceful, but they don't in general resort to attacking others verbally or physically, etc. If gays were so sure about their position in life then why do they appear to be so angry all the time?

I'm not angry all the time, but I do like to pinch and slap when given the chance. :p

But really, a lot of gays get tired of hearing the same bullshit over and over and over again. It's not like heterosexuals really have to go on the defensive, but it's the homosexuals that face the majority of comments such as unnatural, sick, disgusting, against God's will, Adam & Steve, gays are taking over television, anti-adoption, unsuitable foster parents and other types of comments all the time.

Why shouldn't we go on the defensive when people make comments like the above? What would you do - stand in the middle of the road and be run over or get in a bulldozer and try to get them to back the fuck down?
 
justyxxxx said:
I really don't think you are 100% heterosexual, or even 98% heterosexual. I've got a good hunch that you would suck some cock with the best of us, given the right circumstances.

Some of you talk the talk, but walk a really thin rope.
why do gay men often have to resort to this?
it's in the same category of the straights mocking the gays
 
4everhung said:
why do gay men often have to resort to this?
it's in the same category of the straights mocking the gays

For the record, it's not uncommon for heterosexuals to talk nasty about gay men and then later on end up having sex with men, or even previously having sex with men.

I've known FOR A FACT straight guys that have said some really awful things about gays that were secretly doing these things. Whether he's one of them or not, I don't know.

Perhaps it's his "nature", or perhaps it isn't.

My particular statement, in this instance, was meant as a joke . . . why do heteros always have to be so uptight? (reference to homos being militant)
 
justyxxxx said:
For the record, it's not uncommon for heterosexuals to talk nasty about gay men and then later on end up having sex with men, or even previously having sex with men.

I've known FOR A FACT straight guys that have said some really awful things about gays that were secretly doing these things. Whether he's one of them or not, I don't know.
I'm not doubting that,and agree to some extent.
I was commenting more about such sentiment as "a straight guy is just a six pack away from sucking cock" or something to that effect.
Even the most secure hetero males will occassionally poke fun at fags
People poke fun at various groups
it's what humans do
hell I think about tits,ass,and pussy every hour
yet I'll make fun of women too from time to time
 
4everhung said:
I'm not doubting that,and agree to some extent.
I was commenting more about such sentiment as "a straight guy is just a six pack away from sucking cock" or something to that effect.
Even the most secure hetero males will occassionally poke fun at fags
People poke fun at various groups
it's what humans do
hell I think about tits,ass,and pussy every hour
yet I'll make fun of women too from time to time

Well, I definitely don't agree with some peoples' beliefs that all straight guys are "just a six pack away from sucking cock".

I'm afraid that I'd be walking away from the bar with a beer bottle shoved up my ass with some guys . . . which actually, sounds kind of kinky. :qt:
 
for the record, I am not and never have and never will. I treat all the same. With respect until otherwise deemed not to. I will poke fun at them etc.

My partner when I was a deputy was gay and I didn't care. He never talked about guys to me and only talked about his adventures with girls. I trusted him with my life unquestioned and with my familys too.
 
lol, you simply started this thread with an article, yes, then your own opinion came into it and it's sooo easy to hate on you now.

Sucks, doesnt matter what you say now, "my good friend is gay" is just another reason for anybody who has taken sociology to hate on you....hilarious you choose to use that in your defense when your first 7 posts on this thread were clearly anti-gay. This is great. I picture you as my 70 year old grandpa who has been alive and believed some bullshit for so long that he can't accept anything else. Sad thing is that you live presently....I just hope you don't pass discrimination onto your kids.

I honestly think that when your generation (~40-50) and my grandparents generation (~60-80) dies out then we will have so much less hatred in this world. The discrimination is less and less with each generation. It's really all up to the parents......and unfortunately the schools.
 
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thanks,

and as I stated I made/make comments to get people going, you took it hook line and sinker.

Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful
 
chesty said:
Yeah the difference between male and female is 1/2 of a gene and sometimes the dna is fucked up and doesn't know what to do so it splits weird and you have a whatever.

What I don't understand is why the gays get all bent out of shape when someone says they are wrong or that they just don't like their lifestyle? They become militant. Not saying that all "straight" people are peaceful, but they don't in general resort to attacking others verbally or physically, etc. If gays were so sure about their position in life then why do they appear to be so angry all the time?
tell a black guy hes inferior to whites and should be a slave and see what reaction you get- gay or not
 
SublimeZM said:
tell a black guy hes inferior to whites and should be a slave and see what reaction you get- gay or not

Here's the problem with that statement, Sublime.

The black guy is black because he was born that way, my point is that a homosexual is not born that way, that he has made a choice to be gay or has had some environmental or sociological causalities that pushed him/her in that direction.

I'm not dissing the gay man or his lifestyle, I'm dissing the argument (cop-out) that it is genetic. And other junk science of its ilk.
 
needtogetas said:
obviously gay people think differently or they wouldnt be so damn gay!

now that is funny and true at the same time.
 
redguru said:
Here's the problem with that statement, Sublime.

The black guy is black because he was born that way, my point is that a homosexual is not born that way, that he has made a choice to be gay or has had some environmental or sociological causalities that pushed him/her in that direction.

I'm not dissing the gay man or his lifestyle, I'm dissing the argument (cop-out) that it is genetic. And other junk science of its ilk.

The problem with your "theory" is that many gays were born into "normal" households, did "normal" activities such as football, etc, and lived otherwise "normal" lives while growing up. A choice is a switch that can go either way, but homosexuality is love, is desire, is more than a choice for most gay people. You can make a quick choice to fuck someone, anyone can, but it's more than a fuck, it's love, desire, sex, and other things bundled into one.

So, here's what I want you to do. I want you to make a choice to go out and fuck men, to fall in love with them, to want to spend your life with them, and to desire them 99.9% of the time with virtually no thoughts about women. And I want you to start thinking these thoughts at a young age, before you even know what gay is so that while everyone is thinking opposite sex thoughts, you're thinking about Bobby down the road.

And regarding casualty, the only casualty among us is how you can completely ignore other aspects of humans that are somewhat different, such as high voices in males, more effiminate qualities in some over others, larger testosterone production in some men over others, larger bone structure in some over others, and other things that make us all different, and yet still believe that all gay men & women are a choice or are the result of a casualty. Very interesting . . . why don't you start your own gay to straight conversion school and then a few years later, let me meet a few of your "converted" students for a night out on the town . . . so that I can give most of them an F for FAGGOT.
 
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