GAYS and LESBIANS gain RIGHTS!

[RyanH]

Gays continue to gain rights everday:

Senator Ted Kennedy and Rep. Jim Kolbe are promoting gay marriage, a gay jobs bill and hate crime measures that promote sexual orientation as equivalent to skin color.

Additionally, Rep. Kolbe, an open homosexual, engineered a vote Thursday by the House Committee to lift the ban on federal funds for a domestic partners law in the District of Columbia.

An Education bill also contains a hate crimes provision that will allow teachers to tell Christian, Jewish and Muslim children that their ancient beliefs about sexual morality are a form of bigotry.

Ted Kennedy announced hearings on Oct. 2 for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act a bill that would increase federal power over the workplace by adding sexual orientation to civil rights law.

Meanwhile, In California, legislators enacted a law giving homosexual couples 12 marital benefits. That bill awaits Gov. Gray Davis' signature.

Let's all CELEBRATE, all across the country, gays and lesbians are winning the fight.....

Ryan.

 

[talonracer]

I agree.............gay people were born that way and thus made gay by "god". Let them marry just like hethero couples. Shocking coming from me?? Hey I was exposed to the gay community alot over the past five years (happens when you marry a woman who's a lesbian) and all my preconceived notions were totally blown away. They are just people, if they offend you then live your own life and leave them be. Heck some of the gay guys i know are stanch conservatives. Ever hear of the Log Cabin Republicans??

 

[Badkins21]

If a teacher (like I will be in the future) ever attempts to tell a child of mine, no matter if he's Christian, or any other religion, that THINKING THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG, for any reason, IS BIGOTRY, expect a private school in my area to have a new student enrolled, and to have a new English teacher, ASAP!

Un-friggin'-believable...

Wait 'til the Elite Straight White American Male club gets ahold of this one...

**AND DON'T CALL ME 'HOMOPHOBIC!' I AM A HETEROSEXIST...

 

[Warik]

gay marriage

Isn't marriage defined as the union under God between a man and a woman? Gays have not gained marriage, they have gained "union under law between two individuals." It's not the same thing, so don't use the same word.

a gay jobs bill

Huh??? You mean gays aren't allowed to have jobs as it stands now? I didn't know that. I see gay people working at my university and in various locations across my area every day. Kennedy and Kolbe must be living in the Stone Age.

hate crime measures

Isn't every crime a 'hate crime?'

An Education bill also contains a hate crimes provision that will allow teachers to tell Christian, Jewish and Muslim children that their ancient beliefs about sexual morality are a form of bigotry.

So teachers are allowed to teach Christian, Jewish, and Muslim children that heterosexuality is wrong, yet those same students are not allowed to pray to Christ, God, Allah, etc. every morning and give thanks? That sounds kind of discriminatory to me. I thought Senator Kennedy and Representative Kolbe were supposed to be trying to ELIMINATE discrimination.

???

Let's all CELEBRATE, all across the country, gays and lesbians are winning the fight.....

The fight against what? Equality? If the only way (according to you) that gays and lesbians can obtain equality to heterosexuals is by giving them more rights, then doesn't that already imply that they are in some way inferior? I'm shocked to hear this from you.

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

I agree.............gay people were born that way and thus made gay by "god". Let them marry just like hethero couples. Shocking coming from me?? Hey I was exposed to the gay community alot over the past five years (happens when you marry a woman who's a lesbian) and all my preconceived notions were totally blown away. They are just people, if they offend you then live your own life and leave them be. Heck some of the gay guys i know are stanch conservatives. Ever hear of the Log Cabin Republicans??

I have heard of the LogCabin Republicans. Although, it is a mystery why any gay male or lesbian would choose to align itself with the Republican party, a party that essentially wants to oppress gays as much as possible. Admittedly, there are a few Republicans that endorse gay rights. But on the whole, how can gays align themselves in the same party as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson?

Good to hear that you are informed about gay people and do not harbor much of the animosity out there about gays finally getting their rights.

For once, we agree.

Ryan.

 

[Warik]

Wait 'til the Elite Straight White American Male club gets ahold of this one...

Fear not, my brother. The Co-Founder (hey, I thought up the name, didn't I?) of the Conservative White Heterosexual Male Club of Elitefitness is on top of things!

-Warik

 

[RyanH]

If a teacher (like I will be in the future) ever attempts to tell a child of mine, no matter if he's Christian, or any other religion, that THINKING THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG, for any reason, IS BIGOTRY, expect a private school in my area to have a new student enrolled, and to have a new English teacher, ASAP!

Badkins--
Why is it unbelievable that teachers should teach about the horrors of discrimination? Afterall, teachers often teach against racism, an ugly form of discrimination. Why not teach against hatred of gays.

This issue belongs in our public schools.

 

[manny78]

Gays continue to gain rights everday:

Senator Ted Kennedy and Rep. Jim Kolbe are promoting gay marriage, a gay jobs bill and hate crime measures that promote sexual orientation as equivalent to skin color.

Additionally, Rep. Kolbe, an open homosexual, engineered a vote Thursday by the House Committee to lift the ban on federal funds for a domestic partners law in the District of Columbia.

An Education bill also contains a hate crimes provision that will allow teachers to tell Christian, Jewish and Muslim children that their ancient beliefs about sexual morality are a form of bigotry.

Ted Kennedy announced hearings on Oct. 2 for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act a bill that would increase federal power over the workplace by adding sexual orientation to civil rights law.

Meanwhile, In California, legislators enacted a law giving homosexual couples 12 marital benefits. That bill awaits Gov. Gray Davis' signature.

Let's all CELEBRATE, all across the country, gays and lesbians are winning the fight.....

Ryan.

Senator Kennedy, the man who killed another innocent human being is now backing the gays lol I knew it from the beginning that he didnt like women lol

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Badkins--
Why is it unbelievable that teachers should teach about the horrors of discrimination? Afterall, teachers often teach against racism, an ugly form of discrimination. Why not teach against hatred of gays.

This issue belongs in our public schools.

Just another reason to send your kids to private school. I know mine will attend the best school that money can buy.

Some teacher will not force their views on my children in no such way. The brainwashing and social engineering in public school is pathetic.

 

[Badkins21]

If a parent wants to teach a child what NORMAL means, that's their business. No matter what "normal" really is.

I don't think teachers should impede moral teachings of parents, unless said moral beliefs interfere with SOMETHING...What this could interfere with I have no idea.

Same thing with racism. If they beat up all the black kids, and wear KKK sh*t, there's a problem. If they believe that blacks are inferior, more prone to crime, and lazier than whites, that's their own business. I know a lot of morons here at A&M that are Marxists...As much as I'd like them to be taught that their beliefs are morally wrong, I can't.

 

[NYC BOY]

we are all humans and all of us could have a gay kid in the future, so please take care what are u talking about cause your son or daughter can be gay. it can happen .

i guess gay people would be happy to love opposite sex, but they can not cause they are born like that.

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: GAYS and LESBIANS gain RIGHTS!

Isn't marriage defined as the union under God between a man and a woman? Gays have not gained marriage, they have gained "union under law between two individuals." It's not the same thing, so don't use the same word.

Marriage can be defined by whatever definition a state legislature wishes to give marriage. State legislatures constantly rewrite unthoughout, unfair laws....Why not this one? Society only stands to benefit by promoting the union between two people who love one another, and can give back to society, whether it's through rearing children for our future or through buying a home.

Huh??? You mean gays aren't allowed to have jobs as it stands now? I didn't know that. I see gay people working at my university and in various locations across my area every day. Kennedy and Kolbe must be living in the Stone Age.

Ahhh, but life is full of the unseen. We both know, Warik, that there is rampant discrimination out there against gays. Gays should be judged by their credentials, such as education, not by their sexual orientation. Don't you make a similar argument when you argue against "reverse discrimination"----that white males should be judged by their credentials, not the color of their skin? Stay consistent please.

Isn't every crime a 'hate crime?"

Of course, evey crime has some component of hate attached to it, but the problem comes in with the prosecutorial powers and how they are applied to gay related crimes. As I've argued before, do you really believe a D.A. in Mississippi will prosecute a crime against a gay man as vigorously as he would a crime against an Anglo woman? Unlikely. Even our justice system is full of bias. Thus, courts need to address this bias.

So teachers are allowed to teach Christian, Jewish, and Muslim children that heterosexuality is wrong, yet those same students are not allowed to pray to Christ, God, Allah, etc. every morning and give thanks? That sounds kind of discriminatory to me. I thought Senator Kennedy and Representative Kolbe were supposed to be trying to ELIMINATE discrimination.

As usual, you are putting words down that simply don't exist. Teachers aren't teaching that heterosexuality is wrong, only that hatred towards gays is wrong. A huge distinction.

 

[Badkins21]

NYC BOY: Good parents teach their children right from wrong...

 

[RyanH]

On a side-note, Bocephus: I really dig your avatar.

Ryan.

 

[RyanH]

If a parent wants to teach a child what NORMAL means, that's their business. No matter what "normal" really is.

I don't think teachers should impede moral teachings of parents, unless said moral beliefs interfere with SOMETHING...What this could interfere with I have no idea.

Badkins--

Hatred towards gays can create a material disruption in any classroom. Gays and lesbians can become the victim of their classmates dislike toward gays. Thus, schools can help prevent this by teaching against hatred towards gays. Schools have a big stake in teaching against discrimination since not teaching against discrimination, can lead to chaos in any school.

Ryan.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Every American has the right to hate if they want to...Dont force people into believing something they stand against

 

[RyanH]

Every American has the right to hate if they want to...Dont force people into believing something they stand against

So then you believe employer discrimination against African-Americans is O.K.?

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Now having said that. I think Gay and Lesbians couples should be allowed to get married Legally...If people dont want to like it fine, but legally those people should be protected

 

[Badkins21]

See, we need to define some terms. I'm not gettin' out the dictionary, but, I think DISCRIMINATION means an action--an impeding action--has taken place. This is something teachers must address because, like you said, it could cause a disruption. I think PREJUDICE (literally, to pre-judge) should not be an issue taught at a "school level." We are all prejudice in some way...

Teaching kids that their religious teachings are a form of bigotry is A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE...as slippery as posting the Ten Commandments in schools!!

That's what's funny to me: I bet the ACLU will support teaching kids it's WRONG, but is against them being TAUGHT ABOUT IT!!! (Christianity)

 

[TxCollegeguy]

No everyone should be treated fairly in a work environment if I owned a company I would consider nothing less then that....BUT companies should feel comfortable hiring whomever they want without having backlash because it doesn't follow with someones political agenda

 

[Badkins21]

Ryan: I'll attempt to answer the question directed at TxCollegeguy...

A "PRIVATE" employer has the right to hire, or fire, ANYONE he/she pleases. It's their business, hence their rights. If I start a business, and want to only hire bodybuilders? Aggies? Guys that are 5'7"? Or women with blonde hair and a dog names Skip, SO BE IT!!! Nothing's making people come work for me...except the paycheck they receive!!

A "PUBLIC" employer--state, federal, etc.--would be the only "employer" that should be controlled by Congress, therefore it's up to them...as it stands now, it's illegal to discriminate by race, as far as I know. Due to tax-payers' opinions...

This is where my purely Capitalistic ideals come out, and overrule my ultra-conservative ones...

 

[RyanH]

No everyone should be treated fairly in a work environment if I owned a company I would consider nothing less then that....BUT companies should feel comfortable hiring whomever they want without having backlash because it doesn't follow with someones political agenda

But human rights isn't a political agenda, its a fundamental right about being treated fairly because you are human.

Gays do not enjoy the same rights as straight people do.....thus we need to level the field.

There is also much work to be done in the area of Transgender law. Transgender citizens, aren't always gays, and yet they suffer probably even more discrimination because they have a preference for dressing alternatively.

 

[talonracer]

As side side note about "normality". Gay people they THEY are normal so then WHO has the right to declare what normal is?? Jerry Falwell?? Not all gay people are like May 1010, in fact you'd be hard pressed to tell if you met them. They go about their buisness working , paying taxes, policing our streets, and defending our country.....just like "straight" people. Trust me they hardly wanna be gay because its "trendy" they know society's attitudes and how it will affect their lives if they come out. Just like everything in life-you cannot deny who you are.

 

[RyanH]

Ryan: I'll attempt to answer the question directed at TxCollegeguy...

A "PRIVATE" employer has the right to hire, or fire, ANYONE he/she pleases. It's their business, hence their rights. If I start a business, and want to only hire bodybuilders? Aggies? Guys that are 5'7"? Or women with blonde hair and a dog names Skip, SO BE IT!!! Nothing's making people come work for me...except the paycheck they receive!!

A "PUBLIC" employer--state, federal, etc.--would be the only "employer" that should be controlled by Congress, therefore it's up to them...as it stands now, it's illegal to discriminate by race, as far as I know. Due to tax-payers' opinions...

Your argument seems somewhat sensible until you consider one fact you left out: THE GOVERNMENT ONLY EMPLOYEES SO MANY CITIZENS, most of the job market is in the private industry.

Thus, many minorities wouldn't have jobs unless they sought jobs with the government.

 

[RyanH]

As side side note about "normality". Gay people they THEY are normal so then WHO has the right to declare what normal is?? Jerry Falwell?? Not all gay people are like May 1010, in fact you'd be hard pressed to tell if you met them. They go about their buisness working , paying taxes, policing our streets, and defending our country.....just like "straight" people. Trust me they hardly wanna be gay because its "trendy" they know society's attitudes and how it will affect their lives if they come out. Just like everything in life-you cannot deny who you are.

Well, as you touched on Talonracer, the big fact that everyone ignores is that: BEING GAY IS BIOLOGICAL. No one would choose to be an outcast, oppressed, and ridiculed. (unless you're a porn star, eh, eh, eh).

Ryan.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

SO what I'm reading is that people should hire someone if they dont feel comfortable or feel like they are the type of employee they want based on conflicts of personalities?

 

[THE STEEL BEAST]

THE EFLA SUPPORTS GAY PEOPLE.



THERES SHOULD BE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN GAY OR STRAIGHT,NO PUNISHMENTS OR REWARDS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

 

[Badkins21]

Ryan: I agree. Most of the workforce is in the private sector, meaning there will be less REVERSE DISCRIMINATION when all of these absurd laws take place!!

 

[RyanH]

THE EFLA SUPPORTS GAY PEOPLE.

Amen, Steel Beast.

 

[Weapon X]

I agree.............gay people were born that way and thus made gay by "god".

Many of us were given things by God which he wishes us to overcome. Depression, alcoholism, desire to murder or rape, unnatural sexual desires, etc.
God made Jeffrey Dahmer, and Dahmer didn't overcome his problems but gave in to them. Would you demand preferential treatment for mass muderers and cannibals?
The man who raped and murdered that 9 month old baby was created as he is by God. He was made by God with desires which he was supposed to overcome. He chose to give in.
I desire dozens of women each day, yet I do not give in to that because I know that God wishes me to remain faithful to my wife. Before my wife and I married, we made a vow to abstain from premarital sex. Because we knew that's what God wanted of us.
I had lots of premarital sex before I found God, but I made a decision to change and I repented and I don't regret it.

 

[RyanH]

Because we knew that's what God wanted of us.
I had lots of premarital sex before I found God, but I made a decision to change and I repented and I don't regret it.

But if gay men and lesbians couldn't live out their sexuality, they would never enjoy sex. You, while monogamous, still enjoy sex. If gays and lesbians lived as your God would want them to, then they would never have satisfying sex.

Gays and Lesbians would be left to the devices of blow-up asses and dildos. Nothing can ever take the place of the human touch.

 

[Weapon X]

we are all humans and all of us could have a gay kid in the future, so please take care what are u talking about cause your son or daughter can be gay. it can happen .

If I have a gay child, I will love him or her no less. However, if they choose to give in to their desires and live a "gay" lifestyle, I can only condemn that choice.

i guess gay people would be happy to love opposite sex, but they can not cause they are born like that.

Please provide citations to back this assertion. Even scientists haven't reached any conclusions about this, yet you have? There is much evidence disproving it. (Including, but not limited to, this: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2001/07/25/coming_out/ and http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/abc/20010831/en/2020_010831_heche1_1.html)

 

[Weapon X]

But if gay men and lesbians couldn't live out their sexuality, they would never enjoy sex. You, while monogamous, still enjoy sex. If gays and lesbians lived as your God would want them to, then they would never have satisfying sex.

The same thing exactly could be said for people who enjoy sex with dogs and horses, or who enjoy sex with children:

Lawyer: "Your Honor, my client, if not allowed to have loving sexual intercourse with infants, will be forced to live an unfulfilling celibate life, as infants are the only thing that arouse him."

Judge: "Well, we certainly wouldn't want him to be unfulfilled sexually, so of course your client is free to sodomize the infants of his choice."

 

[Weapon X]

Amen, Steel Beast.

RyanH, do you even know what AMEN means??
It is notariqon, a sort of Hebrew acronym with great spiritual significance.
It is made up of teh Hebrew letters Aleph, Mem, Nun (final).
These letters stand for Adonai Melech Ne'eman, or "Our Lord is a Faithful King."
Is that what you really mean to affirm whenever you use that word? Somehow I doubt it.

 

[RyanH]

RyanH, do you even know what AMEN means??
It is notariqon, a sort of Hebrew acronym with great spiritual significance.
It is made up of teh Hebrew letters Aleph, Mem, Nun (final).
These letters stand for Adonai Melech Ne'eman, or "Our Lord is a Faithful King."
Is that what you really mean to affirm whenever you use that word? Somehow I doubt it.

I've never said that I don't have my own God.

Thus, I have liberty to use "Amen"

Gheez, WeaponX, you're placing so many restrictions on so many people: You've already said that gays and lesbians shouldn't be able to have satisfying sex, and now you are saying that I cannot use the word "Amen."

Amen,
Ryan.

 

[Weapon X]

I've never said that I don't have my own God.

Thus, I have liberty to use "Amen"

Gheez, WeaponX, you're placing so many restrictions on so many people: You've already said that gays and lesbians shouldn't be able to have satisfying sex, and now you are saying that I cannot use the word "Amen."

Amen,
Ryan.

I have never said that you couldn't say the word, I just pointed out your ignorance in using it.
The Hebrew word Adonai is a title specific to the God of the Bible. In addition, it is posessive plural; Our Lord. You having "your own god" would be singular posessive, if you spoke Hebrew. Remember that there was only one who tried to exalt himself above Yahweh. I'm sure you know the reference, but worship who you will; I'm sure he'll give yuo permission to do whatever you wish.
Your using the term is about as appropriate as a Jew saying, "May Allah preserve us." Or a Satanist saying, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."

 

[the nature boy]

We should all follow the song "Live and Let Live."

Wait.... it was called "Live and Let Die." Damn.

Seriously, leave the gays alone, as long as they don't push that shit on me I'm fine with it. I'm not pushing my hetersexuality on them.

 

[spongebob]

I have never said that you couldn't say the word, I just pointed out your ignorance in using it.
The Hebrew word Adonai is a title specific to the God of the Bible. In addition, it is posessive plural; Our Lord. You having "your own god" would be singular posessive, if you spoke Hebrew. Remember that there was only one who tried to exalt himself above Yahweh. I'm sure you know the reference, but worship who you will; I'm sure he'll give yuo permission to do whatever you wish.
Your using the term is about as appropriate as a Jew saying, "May Allah preserve us." Or a Satanist saying, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."

i dont think youll get a comment back on this one,
good post!

 

[gymnpoppa]

Ryan

Why do gay people attempt to deflect the meaning of certain
things such as religion to fit there agendas? I mean if you believe in God, in the Bible for somethings, but try and circumvent the Word for your own reasons.....that's wrong. You cant have it both ways. Yes, everybody breaks or has broken the ten commandments, but that doesn't give people a license to turn against the Word in other instances. Weapon X just brought up extremely clear points, but you seem to dismiss them, and no comment them........why? I'd think since you started this thread, and you're trying to further a cause, your cause, your counterpoints would be as clear, but they aren't. They're weak.

Just an observation, not a flame.....my opinion is that political people are now starting to promote the alternative lifestyle....why? for votes? Especially when they haven't before, makes me wonder why they do, doesn't it you? Do you question their motives when it clearly isn't part of their track record? Just interested to hear your response to this and Weapon X posts you failed to address with your usual rhetoric.

 

[Cackerot69]

The same thing exactly could be said for people who enjoy sex with dogs and horses, or who enjoy sex with children:

Lawyer: "Your Honor, my client, if not allowed to have loving sexual intercourse with infants, will be forced to live an unfulfilling celibate life, as infants are the only thing that arouse him."

Judge: "Well, we certainly wouldn't want him to be unfulfilled sexually, so of course your client is free to sodomize the infants of his choice."

What a fucked up, but great point.

lol

 

[Jeff_rys]

Maybe your God is gay also

Maybe the US should have a gay president. If Clinton would have been gay, there would not have been a Monica Lewinsky affair.

I want a locker room where the girls undress at the gym.

 

[runner]

I have heard of the LogCabin Republicans. Although, it is a mystery why any gay male or lesbian would choose to align itself with the Republican party, a party that essentially wants to oppress gays as much as possible. Ryan.

because for some of us, our sexuality is not a/the main issue in our lives.

i, for one, have never been directly discriminated against. sure, there are a few things i can't do (get married, for instance) but all in all the whole gay discrimination thing is overblown.

 

[runner]

The same thing exactly could be said for people who enjoy sex with dogs and horses...

playing devil's advocate here, but really, what's wrong with that? it may seem disgusting, but who is it hurting? we use animals for our own benefit...if we want to eat them...fine. if we want to fuck them...fine.

your "point" about sexual intercourse with infants was a bad example, as gay sex is (generally) consensual.

 

[musclebrains]

Just to satisy morbid curiosity, would someone explain exactly why gay sex is objectionable enough to warrant legalized discrimination against people who practice it?

I get loud and clear that many of you don´t like it. What I don´t get is why you think your personal objection should become the basis for a broad right to discriminate -- actively or by insisting more indirectly that teachers not call it a valid form of sexual expression

 

[cm3504jm]

Remember C. Everett Koop?

"The rectum just isn't made for that type of activity"

 

[Jeff_rys]

i have nothing against gay people, BUT

let's draw the line all the way. Then instead of having 2 locker rooms, there should be 4. Straight men, straight women, gay men and gay women.
If we are going to do this "creating all the possibilities for gay people as for straight people", then let's do it right.

I want a locker room where the girls undress.

 

[Kil0Bear]

Everyone here has posted a valid OPINION. It is every Americans right to be sexist, or to discriminate, or even prejudice..but there is an old saying " The right for you to swing your fist ends at my nose" so in other words..the right for you to push your morals on other people ends at your body. If you don't like the gay lifestyle, fine..stay away from it..but don't stop others from being gay or allowing them the equal rights of heterosexuals. Gays are not looking for any special treatment. they just want to be themselves without fear. Let me ask all the heterosexuals a question. Say your wife or child got extremely sick, like near death...how would you feel if you were not able to visit them because you are not a "legal" guardian or "legally" married? Most the gays could give a rats ass less if they are considered "married". What they really want are the benefits that come with marriage...Hospital visitation rights, rights to say the home that they and their lover Built Together ( if one of them should die). Another big issue is Children. I am so amused when I walk around and I see all these kids that are not wanted, or the parents abuse them, put in foster homes etc....and yet...society would much rather watch these kids go parentless rather than allow gay couples to adopt them. Another example is the military...Gays have a right to fight for their own dam country...even though that country is discriminatory against them? sad! And weaponX...you cannot compare gays with the child molesters or bestiality or criminals... the rapists/child molesters/criminals commit acts of violence on people AGAINST their will...where gays are adults having consensual sex. In the end ( no pun intended) stop being childish... we are all on this earth together..might as well learn to live with each other. If you don't like something...don't go around or get involved... we are all humans...we are all children of god!

 

[dballer]

Badkins--

Hatred towards gays can create a material disruption in any classroom. Gays and lesbians can become the victim of their classmates dislike toward gays. Thus, schools can help prevent this by teaching against hatred towards gays. Schools have a big stake in teaching against discrimination since not teaching against discrimination, can lead to chaos in any school.

Ryan.

what do gay guys want sooo badly to bring homosexual teaching into the class room???

Let me show you.... you will get sick to your stomach.... then you will take your kid out of public school... then you will want to move out of any urban community.

http://www.nambla.de/

then ask me what is wrong with gays...... CRIMINALS!!! ALL OF THEM!!!

 

[Kil0Bear]

So dballer...

Last night on the news we see that a young man kiddnapped a 9 month old girl and raped her and then tried to kill her. Buy your line of reasoning, all straight men are therfore baby rapers. Am I understanding your method of categorization correctly?

 

[dballer]

So dballer...

Last night on the news we see that a young man kiddnapped a 9 month old girl and raped her and then tried to kill her. Buy your line of reasoning, all straight men are therfore baby rapers. Am I understanding your method of categorization correctly?

Did you find a website.. where they organized a group of them?

 

[Weapon X]

playing devil's advocate here, but really, what's wrong with that? it may seem disgusting, but who is it hurting? we use animals for our own benefit...if we want to eat them...fine. if we want to fuck them...fine.

What's wrong with bestiality??!! I can't think of any other tim ein American jistory when that question would be seriously asked, devil's advocate or no. I think the fact that this taboo seems to be falling is a sure sign of where we are headed.

your "point" about sexual intercourse with infants was a bad example, as gay sex is (generally) consensual.

I disagree that I chose a bad example.
1.) NAMBLA argues that consensual sex between adult men and 12-year-old boys can be 'consensual.' So we see that the definition of consensual seems to be up for grabs. If I don't have the right judge, then who are you to judge NAMBLA? Seems like even the most "tolerant" are willing to draw the line somewhere, eh?

2.) There are many things which it could be argued are 'consensual,' but which are still against the law.
a. The sale and use of crack and heroin.
b. Child pornography (if we agree to use NAMBLA's definition of the word 'consensual,' which I don't)
c. Physically abusive relationships seem 'consensual' until the victim is able to leave ths ituation.
d. If a person is suffering from an imbalance which affects their judgement, it could be argues that what might seem 'consensual' is actually coercive or even self-destructive. Some people argue that Andrea Yates suffered a mental imbalance which caused her to kill her childrenb, and so she could not have really wanted to commit these heinous acts. Well, what if we agree with the unrevised psychological opinion that homosexuality is an imbalance? Then it would seem perfectly reasonable by the insanity defense that homosexuals aren't really committing 'consensual' acts at all, but acting as slaves to their neuroses and other unconscious, involuntary urges.
It seems that at the same time that Liberal pundits declared murder to be a mental illness, and obesity to be a mental illness, and lying to be a mental illness, and sadness to be a mental illness, etc., that they also decided that homosexuality was not a mental imbalance.
Put all of this together, and it sounds more and more liek an agenda to me. An agenda to decide public morality, and even to turn convential morality on its ear by excusing heinous acts with claims of 'temporary insanity' and by declaring other things which have been considered illnesses throughout history (with the noteworthy exception of a tiny minority of cultures) as things which are suddenly not just normal, but in fact, laudatory and worthy of mandatory and universal public celebration!

 

[Weapon X]

Did you find a website.. where they organized a group of them?

Good point, dballer.
Where are the nationally-visible organisations of straight people who are lobbying for molestation to be legalized? I don't see it.

My other observation is that most gay groups try to distance themselves from NAMBLA, just as they tried to distan ce themselves from the gay leather people years ago.
Even those who advocate gay acceptance and normalcy draw the line somewhere, but they get angry at others for drawing the line at a different place. Just as NAMBLA now sees itself as a persecuted sexual minority.

Where does it stop? Under Liberal guidelines (which even seek to redefine the meaning of 'consensual') wher edoes it stop? Who has the courage to draw a line? I do, and I know that others here do, also.

 

[chesty]

While I can tolerate a gay, I will not tolerate a publlic teacher or any other public or private person, using my tax dollars to tell my kid that being a butt pluggin, hershey highway licking, person is normal and contrary to their religious and spiritual ideas. I am not sorry for this and I think it is just flat wrong that our elected officials are trying to push this down our throats.

Did you know that your beloved gay senator has been investigated for child pornography and sexual misconduct? Bet you didn't know that.

If I sound upset I am. This among many other reasons is why I am now homeschooling my children.

The rewriting of history so that it is pc
the inability to say the pledge of allegiance or sing the national anthem

the lack of the schools ability to teach

the attempt of the schools to make all kids equal, equallly stupid

and now this brain washing tripe.

 

[Kil0Bear]

One need not look much further than the smattering of pop-ups and ad banners with which one is assaulted to find the organizers of straight child porn. I don't agree with what NAMBLA stands for. I do not think it is possible for 12 year olds to consent. But please note that they locate themselves in a jurisdiction where the law says its legal. that would be the ".de" on their name ( site ). Since we live in the U.S. it is not legal. Since we are now talking about legality and not morality, lets get this part correct.

2. a) This one continues the trend of bad examples. There are 2 kinds of laws. One to protect us from each other, and one to protect us from ourselves. This is a completely different argument and one well covered in public policy writings.
b)see above
c)What do you mean by "seems"? that means it isn't.
d)again, seems implies isn't. this continues the theme of laws that protect us against each other or ourselves and has little to do with whether or not two "sane" adults can consent to sex. again we put "sane" inside quotes because this has been argued by psychiatric community. Since I don't believe that either of us are psychiatrists or lawyers, any further discussion on these points seems moot.

 

[spongebob]

playing devil's advocate here, but really, what's wrong with that? it may seem disgusting, but who is it hurting? we use animals for our own benefit...if we want to eat them...fine. if we want to fuck them...fine.

your "point" about sexual intercourse with infants was a bad example, as gay sex is (generally) consensual.

your telling me sex with an animal is consensual?

 

[runner]

no, i'm telling you it is perverted and disgusting (to me) but not morally wrong.

 

[dballer]

While I can tolerate a gay, I will not tolerate a publlic teacher or any other public or private person, using my tax dollars to tell my kid that being a butt pluggin, hershey highway licking, person is normal and contrary to their religious and spiritual ideas. I am not sorry for this and I think it is just flat wrong that our elected officials are trying to push this down our throats.

Did you know that your beloved gay senator has been investigated for child pornography and sexual misconduct? Bet you didn't know that.

If I sound upset I am. This among many other reasons is why I am now homeschooling my children.

The rewriting of history so that it is pc
the inability to say the pledge of allegiance or sing the national anthem

the lack of the schools ability to teach

the attempt of the schools to make all kids equal, equallly stupid

and now this brain washing tripe.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!

 

[Weapon X]

One need not look much further than the smattering of pop-ups and ad banners with which one is assaulted to find the organizers of straight child porn.

Certainly youth is used to sell porn, both gay & straight. Witness the number of "Teen" sites. What I am asking is; where are the politically active organizations whose agenda is the legalization of 'consensual' heterosexual sex with 12-year-old (and younger) girls?

I don't agree with what NAMBLA stands for. I do not think it is possible for 12 year olds to consent. But please note that they locate themselves in a jurisdiction where the law says its legal. that would be the ".de" on their name ( site ). Since we live in the U.S. it is not legal. Since we are now talking about legality and not morality, lets get this part correct.

They are also located in the U.S., which is why chapters of said organizations march in 'gay pride' parades all over America.

c)What do you mean by "seems"? that means it isn't.

Redefining words to suit your purposes? No, "seems" doesn't mean "isn't." When I say to a friend that he "seems' to be losing weight, I do not mean that he "isn't" losing weight. He may well reply with, "Indeed I am losing weight."

any further discussion on these points seems moot.

Again, I respectfully disagree.

 

[runner]

weaponx, you are one of the biggest biblethumpers on here...why exactly do you think that homosexual acts are morally wrong?

is it because that bastion of truth, the old testament, says so?

what (i admit to not being nearly as well-versed on biblical matters as you) did christ have to say about it?

 

[Weapon X]

no, i'm telling you it is perverted and disgusting (to me) but not morally wrong.

How can you determine what is "perverted and disgusting" without a sense of what is morally wrong? What does "perverted and disusting" even mean without it being morally wrong?

 

[runner]

oh yeah, weaponx....in response to your question regarding pedophilia and nambla...a cursory internet search came up with the following groups:


The Rene Guyon Society

This group is named after a former judge who served on the Supreme Court of Thailand for 30 years. He was also the author of several books and papers dealing with human sexuality, including that of children. It was formed in 1962 by seven couples during a lecture on human sexuality. The Society has promoted its own summer camping program for daughters of its members. Their chilling motto is "Sex by age eight, or it's too late." Members are connected by their mutual belief in sex with children.

They push for the abolishment of laws prohibiting pedophilia. For example, they want adults to be able to perform anal sex on children as young as four. They also say that children performing oral sex on adults will end thumb-sucking. According to them, men should be able to have sex with girls as young as 10.

They have argued that if laws restricting child sexuality are not changed, there will be more kids working as prostitutes, contracting venereal diseases and committing suicide. State rape laws should be changed to allow parents and guardians to give their consent for their children to have sex. Newsletters have contained slogans such as "Children keep family sex secrets."

They believe in "child-child and child-adult bisexuality starting at age 4, 5 and 6 if protected with contraceptives." They maintain, however, that while they advocate legalizing sex with children, they "do not practice it . . . No one can come into our Society who has ever had sex with children."

Childhood Sensuality Circle (CSC)

CSC was formed in 1971 by a retired social worker calling herself Valida Davila. The CSC have several pamphlets such as "Porno for Children," and "Letters from Sucky Lucy, Age 11." They have gone so far as to draft "A Child's Sexual Bill of Rights." They list nine things that they feel should be accessible for children. Some of these are:

the right to experience sensual pleasures without shame or guilt.

the right to learn lovemaking as soon as he or she is able to understand.

the right to loving relationships, including sexual relationships, with parents, siblings, or other adults and children.

the right to a sex life based on natural desires without regard for tradition.
This "bill of rights" is nothing more than a self-serving wish list for pedophiles. Fortunately, a police raid in 1987 put Davila and the CSC out of business.
Pedophile Information Exchange (PIE)

Originating in England in 1974, PIE is one of the best known of these groups. They maintain that, "any damage to children is inflicted by society and the law," because of the restrictions on child sexuality that exist. PIE joined forces with the Pedophile Action for Liberation (PAL) in 1977 when PAL disbanded. In 1977, there was a near riot in London when PIE "came out of the closet." The crowd was shouting "kill them, kill them." At its peak, PIE only had 250 members, but it was one of the better known organizations.

They wish to build a sense of community for pedophiles, and to provide a public forum for debate. They claim that most pedophiles desire gentle, boring and mutually stable relationships. PIE said that pedophilia is a normal desire if only the rest of society would admit it. Members visit convicted pedophiles in prison. "Magpie," was a magazine PIE published which had a contact page for pedophiles (but not for children). PIE had 5 aims. They were:

to clear away, where possible, the myths connected with pedophilia by various means, including the making public of scientific, sociological and similar information;

to give advice and counsel to those isolated or lonely because of their pedophile orientation;

to help those in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with underage partners that took place with the latter's consent;

to campaign, as members see fit, for the legal and social acceptance of pedophilia love;

to provide a means whereby pedophiles might get in contact with each other.
PIE wants the age of consent to be abolished. They would replace it with the following categories: 1.) children under 4 are unable to communicate their consent; 2.) children 4-9 can communicate consent; relationships can only be stopped by parents; and 3.) children 10-17, only minimal interference is allowed.
LEWIS CARROLL COLLECTORS GUILD

The Guild was operated by David Lechton until he died in 1988 at which time it disbanded. It was a group that supposedly served those with an innocent interest in nudity. It published a newsletter called "Wonderland." It contained some nude photos of preteens (so much for an innocent interest.) It also had contact pages for pedophiles. It had subscribers from Japan, Mexico and Canada.

HOWARD NICHOLS SOCIETY

This group was run by David Sonenschein (who was the author of the excerpt that began this paper). He was a former consultant to the 1970 Presidential Committee on Obscenity and Pornography. He is also a pedophile. The Society was formed in 1981. The name was taken from a fictional character in the movie, Fallen Angel, who preyed upon young girls.

Sonenschein was arrested in 1983 after police found copies of his pamphlet, "How to Have sex with Kids," in his apartment. Unfortunately, he beat the charges on a technicality. In this pamphlet, Sonenschein provides hints for child molesters on how to get victims. "Friends are a good source . . . It's also a good idea to get to know the parents . . . you can get babysitting tasks." He goes into further detail about the best way to sexually abuse children.

 

[runner]

How can you determine what is "perverted and disgusting" without a sense of what is morally wrong? What does "perverted and disusting" even mean without it being morally wrong?

well, i guess my version of something that's morally wrong is something more along the lines of the golden rule.

i might consider a "blumkin" (is that what it's called?) perverted and disgusting, but again, i don't consider it morally wrong.

 

[Weapon X]

weaponx, you are one of the biggest biblethumpers on here...why exactly do you think that homosexual acts are morally wrong?

is it because that bastion of truth, the old testament, says so?
what (i admit to not being nearly as well-versed on biblical matters as you) did christ have say about it?

I believe that homosexual behaviour is harmful to individuals and society as a whole for several reasons;

1.) Yes, the Scriptures (both Old & New testaments) make no bones about the fact that God has commanded us not to commit homosexual acts. (Lev 20:13) (James 1:13-15) (1 Corinthians 6:9)
2.) Jesus the Christ upheld the Jewish Scriptures, and as the earthly incarnation of the God who is "the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow" (Heb 13:8). Jesus preached a message of repentance; that the sentence of sin could be averted by true repentance and turning away from the sinful behaviour. He said, "Go, and sin no more." (John 8:11)
T orestate, we all sin, but the keyt is to turn away from teh sin and repent of it, not to keep committing the same offenses believing that all will be forgiven.
3.) In my own life I have had many homosexual friends, and teh neighborhood in which I lived for a few years in Seattle was predominantly gay. I saw the excesses, the abuse, the imbalance an dexcesses, the sadness, the emptiness, the destruction that the 'lifestyle' leads to. I heard how many of my 'gay' friends had stories of sexual abuse from their childhoods; that seemed an almost constant thread in their lives, perhaps contributing to their homosexuality.
4.) I have seen, in my own more than 30 yeqars of life, that the farther I stray from God's instructions, the worse my life, health, mental state, etc. get, and teh closer I stay with God's instructions, the better things are. And I see this is on a sociological level as well.

b'Shalom,
Weapon X

 

[dballer]

Good Post Weapon. Well put.

 

[spongebob]

Re: i have nothing against gay people, BUT

let's draw the line all the way. Then instead of having 2 locker rooms, there should be 4. Straight men, straight women, gay men and gay women.
If we are going to do this "creating all the possibilities for gay people as for straight people", then let's do it right.

I want a locker room where the girls undress.

i'll second that one.

 

[spongebob]

4.) I have seen, in my own more than 30 yeqars of life, that the farther I stray from God's instructions, the worse my life, health, mental state, etc. get, and teh closer I stay with God's instructions, the better things are. And I see this is on a sociological level as well.

b'Shalom,
Weapon X

even for people who do not believe in the bible, its teachings are an excellent script to live by.
now i know who to ask, all of my questions pertaining to religion.

 

[runner]

does not the bible also teach against "withdrawl/wasting seed" (genesis 38:8-10) and "having intercourse with a menstruous woman" (leviticus 20:18). these offenses were lumped in with homosexuality. have you or do you "waste seed" or have "intercourse with a menstruous woman"? do you repent these sins?

it appears from your previous response that christ said nothing even remotely close to the subject of homosexuality. if it's such a big sin, why did he not mention it?

 

[runner]

unfortunately, most religious zealots forget a lot of the very words they presume to live by:

"judge not that you may not be judged"

and

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"


are two that come immediately to mind.

 

[TITANMALE]

I have never said that you couldn't say the word, I just pointed out your ignorance in using it.
The Hebrew word Adonai is a title specific to the God of the Bible. In addition, it is posessive plural; Our Lord. You having "your own god" would be singular posessive, if you spoke Hebrew. Remember that there was only one who tried to exalt himself above Yahweh. I'm sure you know the reference, but worship who you will; I'm sure he'll give yuo permission to do whatever you wish.
Your using the term is about as appropriate as a Jew saying, "May Allah preserve us." Or a Satanist saying, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."

Great Responce, great to see truth lives here on this board.

 

[Weapon X]

unfortunately, most religious zealots forget a lot of the very words they presume to live by:

Unfortunately, most Theophobes use the very Bible which they denigrate, out of context, to prove their own views:

"judge not that you may not be judged"

John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
Luke 12:56-57 "Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"
Matthew 7:1-2 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

Note verse two. I am not afraid to be judged as I am judging. Indeed, we are commanded to exercise our judgement at all times and to condemn what us evil.

s Chron 19 "And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment."

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Christ here addressed a crowd who was judging a woman who turned from her sin and repented. He didn't save her so that she could go back to whoring. Funny how people today are so able to ignore the word, "repent."

 

[chesty]

Actually, God of the Bible destroyed two cities, Sodom and Gomora for their idolotry, beastiality, homosexuality and for attempting to rape the angels he sent to them to try to help them repent from their evil ways. It is in the Old Testament and it is just as valid (Old Testament) as the New Testament.

 

[TITANMALE]

unfortunately, most religious zealots forget a lot of the very words they presume to live by:

"judge not that you may not be judged"

and

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"


are two that come immediately to mind.

I dont see anyone casting stones they are merely STATING FACTS. When you live in darkness the light of Truth will often be painful.

When you use that line JUDGE not....... you may want to read the rest of the passage if you want to understand its meaning. Its correct inturpation is that if you judge someone by one standard you must also be prepared to be judged by the same standard. Basically Practice what you Preach.

 

[Weapon X]

Well put, TitanMale.
And chesty, you'll see that Liberal 'scholars' have interpreted the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to mean that God destroyed the cities for showing inhospitality, if you can believe that! Inhospitality.

 

[dballer]

Well put, TitanMale.
And chesty, you'll see that Liberal 'scholars' have interpreted the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to mean that God destroyed the cities for showing inhospitality, if you can believe that! Inhospitality.

And the story of Cane and Able was about two brothers who shared a robe!!!!!!!

 

[Weapon X]

Homosexuals also try to allege that King David was gay and he had a homosexual affair with Jonathan.

 

[chesty]

No way! Inhospitality, now there's a ripe one! Go figure, someone wants to plug your ass with a weiner and you don't oblige, so you must be inhospitable. What will they think of next.

 

[RyanH]

Some very interested comments have been made today, I will respond to many of them this evening after returning from the gym.

 

[chesty]

Oh joy, I can hardly contain myself.

 

[Weapon X]

Some very interested comments have been made today, I will respond to many of them this evening after returning from the gym.

What a pompous post! Who gives a crap whether you return to post your usual non-sequiturs?
If you do it, you do it. No announcements necessary, your highness.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Weapon X, Chesty, runner, and the others who posted lately on this thread, a very educational debate, I learned alot from both sides here. Wow......the liberal views seem to rely on change for advancing the foundation of what they believe in. No real substance from what I read. I'm hoping for more comments from both sides here......

 

[dballer]

Homosexuals also try to allege that King David was gay and he had a homosexual affair with Jonathan.

That is INSANE! That is just their way of trying to bring down out belief system. But all we gotta do is stand strong and feed them to hungry crocidiles.

 

[Weapon X]

does not the bible also teach against "withdrawl/wasting seed" (genesis 38:8-10) and "having intercourse with a menstruous woman" (leviticus 20:18). these offenses were lumped in with homosexuality. have you or do you "waste seed" or have "intercourse with a menstruous woman"? do you repent these sins?

it appears from your previous response that christ said nothing even remotely close to the subject of homosexuality. if it's such a big sin, why did he not mention it?

More blind qouting.
1.) Regarding Genesis 3:8-10 - This kind of ignorance always shows up in the Bible-haters' arguments.
Onan's sin was not that of masturbation, but of refusing to produce progeny for his brother's line.
Onan's bro was killed, and as was God's edict at that time, the deceased man's brother had a duty, if his brother had died without children, to produce children with his deceased brother's wife. These children would still be counted as the deceased man's progeny so that his lineage would not die out.
Onan purposely and selfishly had sex with his sister in law, but refused to impregnate her. He spilled his seed on the ground instead.
Now that you know "the rest of the story," it sounds a little different than a simple case of "the death penalty for masturbation,' eh?

2.) As regarding female menstruation, the Priests were admonished to abstain from contact with that which was ritually unclean. (Now, a common mistake made by the ignorant is that "unclean" means dirty. This is not the case. Unclean was used to refer to things whioch were prohibited to persons performing certain rituals in the Temple.)
A great reverence was shown for menstruation, so that the menses was not just acknowledged as blood, but as the loss of a possible life. Since those who came in contact with corpses were rendered ritually unclean, so was menses rendered ritually unclean since the menstruating woman had been in contact with that which was, in essence, the corpse of a potential life. Same rules applied for a man who touched a deceased adult.

3.) Christ did not come to restate all of what He said to us within the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament), but He did tell us that we must obey the rules given us by Moses and teh Prophets. Christ's own Apostles elaborated within the letters on how Christ's word should be applied in daily life, and homosexuality is explicitly condemned.
Romans 1:22-25
James 1:13-15
1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 

[musclebrains]

This thread goes a long way in legitmating the idea that the homoerotically inclined tend to be homophobic.

Here you are a bunch of guys who spend your money on steroids to pump up your bodies to try to look more masculine. You constantly look at pictures of one another. You go to male beauty contests. You enter male beauty contests. You spend more time in the gym than most women spend in a beauty parlor.And yet you give a big ridiculous shit if some people go a step further and actually make love to the same male form you´re constantly looking at and comparing yourselves too.

Grow the fuck up. 90 percent of the world thinks bodybuilders are gay and that´s what´s behind most of your idiot posturing. How stupid do you think we are?

 

[gymnpoppa]

This thread goes a long way in legitmating the idea that the homoerotically inclined tend to be homophobic.

Here you are a bunch of guys who spend your money on steroids to pump up your bodies to try to look more masculine. You constantly look at pictures of one another. You go to male beauty contests. You enter male beauty contests. You spend more time in the gym than most women spend in a beauty parlor.And yet you give a big ridiculous shit if some people go a step further and actually make love to the same male form you´re constantly looking at and comparing yourselves too.

Grow the fuck up. 90 percent of the world thinks bodybuilders are gay and that´s what´s behind most of your idiot posturing. How stupid do you think we are?

Why do you insist on turning good debates into emotional rants?
That's so annoying....... Your "keen sense"....nevermind, I know the response coming.....but stick to the subject PLEASE

 

[Weapon X]

This thread goes a long way in legitmating the idea that the homoerotically inclined tend to be homophobic.

Here you are a bunch of guys who spend your money on steroids to pump up your bodies to try to look more masculine. You constantly look at pictures of one another. You go to male beauty contests. You enter male beauty contests. You spend more time in the gym than most women spend in a beauty parlor.And yet you give a big ridiculous shit if some people go a step further and actually make love to the same male form you´re constantly looking at and comparing yourselves too.

Grow the fuck up. 90 percent of the world thinks bodybuilders are gay and that´s what´s behind most of your idiot posturing. How stupid do you think we are?

1.) I am not afraid of homosexuals, therefore I am not a homophobe.
2.) I don't use steroids nor have I ever.
3.) I look at pictures of bodybuilders, cars, motorcycles, guns, professional baseball players, and home PCs. None of them give me an erection.
4.) I have never enetered a "male beauty contest"
5.) I spend 4 hours a week in the gym. Most women I know never go to the beauty parlor, but many of them go to the gym.
Comparing our appearances to that of others means we want to fuck them? You have some problems, man.

If a man did all of the things you list above with automobiles;
spending hours working on them, going to car shows, reading car mags, comparing your car to others' cars,would you then say that these men want to fuck their cars?

 

[musclebrains]

LOL. Right, Poopy. Don´t make me AGAIN disassemble your posture of rationality to demonstrate your inevitable defense of the antedeluvian.:

"Wow......the liberal views seem to rely on change for advancing the foundation of what they believe in. No real substance from what I read. "

WOW. The Poopy defenese once again masks itself behind a pretense to rationality.

 

[musclebrains]

I see Weapon. You just hang out with guys who do.

By the way, you completely distorted the logic of my post. I didn´t say "homsexual." I said "homoerotic." The behaviors I described would be considered homoerotic by many people. Homosexuality on the other hand requires actual sexual contact. In America, most men can't comfortably engage in homoerotic activity without the fear of being considered homosexual and they develop a queer-bashing attitude, legitimated by bullshit moralism and religion, to justify it.

 

[gymnpoppa]

LOL
Stick to the point MB, Stick to the POINT. You can't though, you have nothing but your rants.

 

[musclebrains]

I am sticking to the point, Poopy. The point is that your posturing is poop on top of the truth. It´s you who have a predictable need to avoid the point. Let´s call it the Poop Defense.

Anyway. I leave you to this thread. It´s 10 p.m. in Madrid, the marcha begins in two hours, and I´m off to have some fun while you congratulate yourself for your "rationality" (compared to my "rants").

 

[Weapon X]

I see Weapon. You just hang out with guys who do.

By the way, you completely distorted the logic of my post. I didn´t say "homsexual." I said "homoerotic." The behaviors I described would be considered homoerotic by many people. Homosexuality on the other hand requires actual sexual contact. In America, most men can't comfortably engage in homoerotic activity without the fear of being considered homosexual and they develop a queer-bashing attitude, legitimated by bullshit moralism and religion, to justify it.

ho·mo·e·rot·ic (hm--rtk)
adj.
1. Of or concerning homosexual love and desire.
2. Tending to arouse such desire.


Doesn't apply to me, man. Keep trying.

 

[gymnpoppa]

I see Weapon. You just hang out with guys who do.

By the way, you completely distorted the logic of my post. I didn´t say "homsexual." I said "homoerotic." The behaviors I described would be considered homoerotic by many people. Homosexuality on the other hand requires actual sexual contact. In America, most men can't comfortably engage in homoerotic activity without the fear of being considered homosexual and they develop a queer-bashing attitude, legitimated by bullshit moralism and religion, to justify it.

Still ranting....and speculating.....okay, okay, I'm done jawing with you.....speak your rant/mind.........you're ignored by me unless you bring something other than rants, and twisted logic...
What is the difference between homoerotic and homosexual now?

 

[Kil0Bear]

The point of this post was lost a long time ago when religion was placed in the mix!

 

[musclebrains]

IN contemporary use in the literature, Weapon, "homoerotic" is used to describe love between men without the necessary implication of homosexual identity. I should have been clearer, probably.

 

[Weapon X]

The point of this post was lost a long time ago when religion was placed in the mix!

God is always in the mix, so the point must never have been valid.

 

[musclebrains]

"The point of this post was lost a long time ago when religion was placed in the mix!"



Indeed, and it´s part of Poopy and Friends´"logic" that as long as they are depending on an extraneous argument, the introduction of another, like the fear of homoeros, is a rant that´s off the point. As if religious tirades aren´t rants.

Buenas noches.

 

[Kil0Bear]

Weak! Hide behind the bible and live by it. Tell me, are you ever going to have any thought of your OWN or are we going to always quote lame ass scripts from the bible that have been tampered with and re-written by biased/racist and predjudice people?

 

[Weapon X]

IN contemporary use in the literature, Weapon, "homoerotic" is used to describe love between men without the necessary implication of homosexual identity. I should have been clearer, probably.

Yeah, and "gay" used to mean 'happy.' What' syer point.
Liberals have been creating new meanings for words for years. Pardon me if I have a reverence for the existing meaning of words.

 

[gymnpoppa]

LOL MB, I would never call a Biblical discussion of passages a rant, it's intepretation. I don't see where it has anything to do with a fear of homoeros, until you ranted it, there was no mention of a fear factor. And while there are a lot of versions re-written, to speculate that all are, is lame.......really weak.

 

[chesty]

Religion was one of the initial thoughts of this thread, so it was never lost. Just focused on. And I quote from page 1 of thread, by the thread starter:

"An Education bill also contains a hate crimes provision that will allow teachers to tell Christian, Jewish and Muslim children that their ancient beliefs about sexual morality are a form of bigotry. "

So, there you have it.

MB you seem to have some issues with this thread. Could it be your homosexual and just don't want to admit? Or have you already come out of the closet already?

 

[chesty]

Also, the King James Bible has not been rewritten for about 600 years or so. And only 12 scholars I believe translated the original scripts at the behest of King James.