Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Boys you don't conquer shit when you fuck a woman. Get over the whole objectification/territorial shit. You didn't "make" her do shit. If you did, you raped her you dumb bitch. She wanted to suck you or fuck you and it's not always because she wants some "attention" or she has "low self-esteem". She's just horny and your dick was there to satisfy what she wanted.
Fuck stupid bitches
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wow, mystique, where did that come from? I'll be online a little while, shoot me a message on my yahoo messenger.
Im getting seriously confused here. I thought mystique was a gay man. 
Regardless, I enjoy his/her posts.
Regardless, I enjoy his/her posts.
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mystique said:
lol...I wonder if she is a red head...lol
Sex is just sex people
DI Hartman what the fuck are you talking about, dumb bitches these days....
Anya thanks I love my posts too. Am I a gay man or a straight woman hmmmmm......
Nice comeback Killah. Get rid of that lesbian shit. You're a brilliant classy boy yourself.=)
Mr. Black you're all mine too.
Shadow close but no cigar hehe. Try black hair.=)
I feel sorry for people that think sex is a man's thing and woman are just in it to please the guy. Women are thought of as being submissive and degraded in every sexual situation while men are seen as being dominant and in control. Are you really that stupid and naive to believe everything you've been taught? C'mon use your brains for once.
DI Hartman what the fuck are you talking about, dumb bitches these days....
Anya thanks I love my posts too. Am I a gay man or a straight woman hmmmmm......
Nice comeback Killah. Get rid of that lesbian shit. You're a brilliant classy boy yourself.=)
Mr. Black you're all mine too.
Shadow close but no cigar hehe. Try black hair.=)
I feel sorry for people that think sex is a man's thing and woman are just in it to please the guy. Women are thought of as being submissive and degraded in every sexual situation while men are seen as being dominant and in control. Are you really that stupid and naive to believe everything you've been taught? C'mon use your brains for once.
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Well we try to change that but in sex we are still animals...in nature when a lion is horny and see a nice female lion, just jum over her and start banging...the same with horses, with birds, with tigers, anything...we are stronger...and a real woman likes that. Now since we have "intelligence" we try to do this a little bit more civilized adding other things...but still any sexual fantasy take us to our animal instinct.
mystique said:DI Hartman what the fuck are you talking about, dumb bitches these days....
Anya thanks I love my posts too. Am I a gay man or a straight woman hmmmmm......
Nice comeback Killah. Get rid of that lesbian shit. You're a brilliant classy boy yourself.=)
Mr. Black you're all mine too.
Shadow close but no cigar hehe. Try black hair.=)
I feel sorry for people that think sex is a man's thing and woman are just in it to please the guy. Women are thought of as being submissive and degraded in every sexual situation while men are seen as being dominant and in control. Are you really that stupid and naive to believe everything you've been taught? C'mon use your brains for once.
Well we try to change that but in sex we are still animals...in nature when a lion is horny and see a nice female lion, just jum over her and start banging...the same with horses, with birds, with tigers, anything...we are stronger...and a real woman likes that. Now since we have "intelligence" we try to do this a little bit more civilized adding other things...but still any sexual fantasy take us to our animal instinct.
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mystique said:
And girls- don't think that guys are talking to you and giving you all the attention because they care about you or think that you are an interesting person. They are trying to get in your pants. We know that it makes you feel good about yourself and helps to raise your already-low self esteem, so I am sorry. We put up with listening to your mindless babbling about your stupid job and dumb friends that we don't even know just so we can sleep with you and then degrade you to all of our buddies the next morning.
Yes and you're just so interesting yourself. And yes I am pretty random at times.
I have no clue.
Don't read it then.
Wow what a classy boy! Did your mommy not pay you enough attention growing up that you feel the need to get attention from other little boys by telling them who you fucked?
Who said you were? I just don't like to see two women kissing. Pretty gross in my opinion.
Animals also fuck their family members. Does that mean we should have incest because that's what animals do? Animals don't see the females of their group as being degraded during sex. Only humans do because of our "intelligence".
Get a life faggot. What exactly is the point of your posts other than to complain about this and that? Who cares fuck off and more importantly shut the fuck up.
I'm guessing you're the type of little homo who is too scared to talk in this sort of manner in person so you build up your rage and release it in a safe arena. Yay good for you now go give your bf a hug and figure out your gender.
I'm guessing you're the type of little homo who is too scared to talk in this sort of manner in person so you build up your rage and release it in a safe arena. Yay good for you now go give your bf a hug and figure out your gender.
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Why do u consider the argument weak? Societal pressures and hierarchies exist in many developed creatures , many "modern" human sexual practices are highly abnormal from a purely natural standpoint , personally i think that human sexual behaviour is far more bizarre than the rest of the animal kingdom. I think it is precisely because some acts are unnatural (relative to the rest of the animal kingdom) that they are seen as "degrading". PLenty of logic to that argument.mystique said:
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i agree with you mendiken. i mean c'mon, it is more bizarre to have sex with your family than anal sex with a partner. but i guess going by your argument, incest itself isnt bizarre its just the "Societal pressures and hierarchies" that make it bizarre right?
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Those animals that practice sex with their own relations die out due to genetic malformities , its an aberration in nature too. In any case that is besides the point as we are discussing the physical sex acts and not the choice from within a homogeneous population.Dumbass.DepressiveJuice said:
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i think you meant the offsprings of those animals. and i was refering to why using animals as an excuse is weak. id call you dumbass but youre german so its understandable.
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No i was referring to the genes in the sense of those animals who have inter-sex relationships are (all other things being equal) less likely to pass down healthy chromosomes. And you're wrong about my point of origin but too ignorant to look at the flag to the left of this post. My LOCATION is in Germany.DepressiveJuice said:
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youre a german citizen arent you? and the only way you can pass down your genes is to your offsprings so yes you were talking about offsprings. youre just too stupid to know what youre tlaking about
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No dumbass , Im NOT a German citzen , I am an E.U. citzen which explains why I have an Irish flag , why else would I have it shitwit?DepressiveJuice said:
On the second point , u are incorrect since amongst humans/animals we now have ex-vivo fertilisation techniques.
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uh, hello numbnuts! how would i know thats an irish flag or that europeans dont get citizenship on individual countries? moron
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Nope , post #25 last part from the author of this thread introduces other members of the animal kingdom and associates "degradation" with nature. Therefore it is relevant since the author of the thread brought it into the discussion.Tiervexx said:
Furthermore , it is societal norms which determine whether one is or is not being degraded , if a child is being abused , often the child does not know it is being abused until and unless it realises that that behaviour is abnormal. Nature might tell the creature that it's being hurt in some way (pain is the most obvious signal) which is lo and behold against nature.
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Mandinka2 said:
Eh , education perhaps ? You made your original comment on my nationality from ignorance , from where most of your posts come. Go see if you can shine a light into a dark corner.....
as always, you have weak arguments lol
Arguments are weak when you try to justify how humans act and behave because other animals do it too. For example, when people say it is ok to demean sexual women by calling them "sluts" but it's ok for a man to be sexual and people justify that by pointing out that male animals go around spreading their seeds while the female is only there to bear the children, that's pretty weak. It's weak when you try to compare humans with other animals because we are more intelligent, have more complex thought processes than other animals. If people want to justify how society says it's ok for a man to be sexual but not a woman because of the way other animals act, then we should also be ok with incest and rape.
I never said degradation is associated with nature. I think that's purely a human idea. Other animals don't see a female having sex as degrading herself, only us "intelligent" humans do. It has to do with societal norms and culture. I agree with you on that most definitely. People make the generalization that women are less sexual than men because of the behaviors they see and they attribute this to hormones, animals, whatever. I think it's much deeper than that. Women have been told from day one that if you act too sexual you're a bad dirty person and no one will respect you. They internalize this thought as with other things they learn so it becomes hard for them to break away from it. Some feel guilty or dominated when they have any kind of sex, especially oral. They feel they need to love someone because sex without love means the man is using you. So women are always on the lookout so they don't get judged, ridiculed, abused, hurt, demeaned, etc. I'm not saying all women but alot do. Men label women as "sluts" and wonder why their partners can't be more aggressive in bed. Some men even feel that having their woman perform oral sex on them is somehow degrading to her so it affects their performance. Women's sexual sides are repressed and ignored throughout many cultures and even hated on. I just laugh when simple minded people attribute women acting less sexual to hormones.
Thanks mandinka for replying to my thread with intelligent thought instead of hating me because you think I'm gay haha.
I never said degradation is associated with nature. I think that's purely a human idea. Other animals don't see a female having sex as degrading herself, only us "intelligent" humans do. It has to do with societal norms and culture. I agree with you on that most definitely. People make the generalization that women are less sexual than men because of the behaviors they see and they attribute this to hormones, animals, whatever. I think it's much deeper than that. Women have been told from day one that if you act too sexual you're a bad dirty person and no one will respect you. They internalize this thought as with other things they learn so it becomes hard for them to break away from it. Some feel guilty or dominated when they have any kind of sex, especially oral. They feel they need to love someone because sex without love means the man is using you. So women are always on the lookout so they don't get judged, ridiculed, abused, hurt, demeaned, etc. I'm not saying all women but alot do. Men label women as "sluts" and wonder why their partners can't be more aggressive in bed. Some men even feel that having their woman perform oral sex on them is somehow degrading to her so it affects their performance. Women's sexual sides are repressed and ignored throughout many cultures and even hated on. I just laugh when simple minded people attribute women acting less sexual to hormones.
Thanks mandinka for replying to my thread with intelligent thought instead of hating me because you think I'm gay haha.
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So true, so true...
KillahBee said:
So true, so true...
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mystique said:
I think you are right , that is why i raised my daughters to not think sex is bad or dirty , but also teach then to respect themselfs .
They didn't have the hangups that i did , when i first started dating. Now i think Sex is great, and i don't have any hangups any more. Thanks to a wonderfull husband.
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Mystique , first of all let me start this by saying I am not a promiscuous man , personally I feel that sex is not something to be shared with just anyone (or even very many people). Now , I have been in my relative youth with some women who had far more partners than I and I promise you that I could draw a straight line between quantity of emotional issues and number of sexual partners. Prostitues are notorious intraveneous drug users , even where prostitution is entirely legal (The city of Utrecht in Holland is often quoted as being the place where it was most successful and even there these people are incredibly miserable).mystique said:
Years ago when feminism reared its head , it preached that women could do just as men could , and in Ireland some women set out to do just that , drinking , partying and screwing as much as some male bon viveurs. Mary Kenny was one of those feminist writers and she continuously week upon week writes of the health problems suffered as a result of her earlier life.
Likewise I know a few men who screw around and even there , these people are untrustworthy , fickle and occassionally pathetic in their attempts to justify their existence.
You can deny nature all you like and preach about the dominance of societal power over natural urges and time and time again the emprical evidence that you are wrong will be laid bare before u. My own mother is a feminist and a lifetime of social work has convinced her of the futility of this particular view.
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Mandinka2 said:
I agree that you dont have to have a lot of sex partners to enjoy sex. One daughter had one premarried sex partner , daughter #2
was virgin when she married #3 is not married but has has 2 partners one she was engaged to for 4 years , the other she is engaged to now. but they all tell me they enjoy sex and that is just part of life. Anything 2 people do together is natural as long as both agree. I have a very open relationship with my daughters we talk about every thing. even things i dont want to know. but , when they were young i told then i would tell them anything if they ask, and they ask a lot, and i told them a lot. On the other hand i learded about sex in school before they has sex ed.boy did I learn a lot of wrong things ,lol
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Sister , Im sorry if u took it the wrong way , sex has been at the cornerstones of my deepest relationships and trust me I'v spent many lost weeks as a student with barely leaving a bedroom... (in fact 3 wonderful summer months). It sounds like you did a bang-up job with your daughters , sex is just a part of life , sure it's totally natural , but as to whether you can fuck without feelings , I dont buy it , not even for males (I know I certainly can't). I can relate to what you say about learning things wrong in school as I attended a Catholic school run by priests (not that I blame them since they probably knew less than I did), my knowledge of female anatomy was laughably limited until my mid -20's (actually it sparked a pretty funny episode in my life) , I understand that it is always tough for a Mum to explain these sort of things to a son and my father was the traditional emotionally stunted Irish workaholic. In any case I wasnt criticising you in any way and I hope you did not take my post as being in that vein. Good luck.sweetnes11 said:
I respect your views on sex Mandinka, but I'm saying not everyone believes in what you do and their views should be respected too as long as it's not hurtful to others. Some want to be promiscuous and some don't. Just like some people like to go out and party all the time while others like to stay at home. It's just a difference of preferences. I think the reason why sex is connected to emotional issues is because sex is taught as something that you do when you love someone, something that shows others love and care about you, instead of being seen as a purely physical act. Prostitutes are known for drug use but so are musicians, movie stars, models, pretty much in every group. I think alot of prostitutes who use drugs were druggies before they got into prostitution and uses the money from that to fuel their drug use. Also prostitutes are considered one of the lowest forms of human life in society because people have issues with sex and sexuality. It's not hard to see why once they become prostitutes that they would suffer mental problems and dabble in drugs also. People see prostitutes as sex objects instead of feeling thinking human beings and treat them as such. I think that is the problem with the world. People are so scared of sexuality that they use the fear to hate sexual beings, particularly with women.
Feminism is about treating women with the same respect and having the same opportunities as men. Similiar as to what minorities want. I think you should screw around, drink, party if that's what YOU want to do, not because you're on some mission to prove something. Maybe that's why some of those women regretted it later on. Of course you are going to suffer health problems from drinking and screwing but that's the risk you take just like anything else in life. If the benefits outweigh the risks to someone then they're going to take that chance.
Just because a few men are like that does not mean all promiscuous men are. That's like saying you know some men use steriods who also have "roid rage" so it must be the steriods.
I do not deny nature or our natural urges. All of us have natural urges to relieve our sexual tension BUT the way we go about it and view others that do is based on society's morals and cultural values. We all have natural urges to go take a shit and pee but if you really did it the natural way we would just pull our pants down and do our business wherever we were. However society says that is not appropriate so we wait and go to the bathroom and do it there. It's more inconvenient for us humans but we do it to conform to what we're taught. If it really was so natural for women to not like sex as much as men do then why would there be a need for societal pressure to make sure that women are put in their place? Why would there be a need for all this name calling, shaming, repression? If it was really natural for women to be not so sexual then there wouldn't be any feminists mentioning this topic.
The media always trys to shove it in our faces that sexual women are only that way because of emotional or mental problems (another form of female sexual repression/ignorance). However I may have some mental problems but I'm sexual because I love sex and that's the way I've always been, even before my mental problems were even a bit serious. I have sex not because I want to feel love or feel that I'm important but because I just love sex. Simple as that. You never hear people saying that men are sexual because of insecurity/low self esteem issues even though many feel the need to brag who they fucked and demean the ones they did to make themselves feel more superior. It's just assumed that that's just how they are.
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Well I'm thankful for your respect and hope that likewise you feel respected. HOWEVER , in precisely those Nothern European countries which have the most "progressive" attitudes towrds sex are drug abuse and prostitution most closely linked. Of all the people you mention I GUARANTEE you that the highest mortality rate is amongst prostitutes , drugs are a release for most people , for prostitutes they are a way to live with themselves. And you are furthermore incorrect , many prostitutes start out in Europe doing it for a little money and get caught out in the spiral leading to drug abuse. There is plenty of research out there mystique , mammals and in particular primates are in general monogamous. You mention that you have had some mental issues , I'm sorry to hear this , sorry but not surprised , I'm not saying that it was promiscuity that fucked you up, I'm saying that there is an ENORMOUS wealth of empirical evidence associating the two things. Now you may be stronger and tougher than the average human being and if you are fair play to you but the stats say otherwise. Sex per se isnt bad , but promiscuity brings with it a host of psychological issues for people.mystique said:
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Feminism started out in that kind of vein with the sufragette movement , then it became a war against men.... circumcision is an obvious example when prominent feminists decry ONLY the female version. To her credit Germaine Greer identifies both as being mutilation and regards feminists who think otherwise as twisted.mystique said:
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You know this is silly , there in no such pressure , take a look at "Sex in the City" , a show that LIONISES women who sleep around . If there was a similar show about 4 men who in each episode fucked a different woman and met at lunch to compare their gynacology there would be an immediate outrage by feminists (and indeed the general public). It is crass and vulgar and does nothing to enhance people's lives. Modern "feminists" in general are people who have left behind "equality". I have dated and enjoyed the company of extremely sexual women I assure you , the most sexual woman i ever met was entirely un promiscuos and it is to this day a regret of mine that I did not marry her when I was 20.mystique said:
Perhaps you are the solitary exception mystique , I have travelled throughout Europe and the States extensively and I have YET to meet such a person. Even a notorious philanderer like Leonard Cohen wrote that "Everything we do in life , we do for love" , he eventually became a Buddhist monk. I'd be surprised if you were any different. Of course when we analyse the nature of love as some philosophers and psychologists have done we are left with the obvious truth: the desire for monogamous relations. Sex is great , making love is much better.mystique said:
REALLY? I hear it all the time , perhaps not in newspapers but amongst acquaintances , the reason being is that very few people have time for male emotions. You never hear of how heartbroken some guy was when his woman left him in a newspaper do you , no , but you hear of his suicide later.... men are just as/if not more frial than women. On the second point , its a running joke that women speak of their sexual histories to a far greater extent amongst other women than men ever would.mystique said:
No there is pressure on women to be "good girls". Women are called "sluts", "whores", "skanks" if they are promiscuous or dress provocatively by both men and women. Raped women are told that they deserve it if they have had many consensual partners. Some raped women are even looked as used property. If a woman does not know who the father of her child is it's looked upon as solely her fault. If a teenage girl gets pregnant she's looked down upon even if others know who the father is. If a women is showing too much skin or is a "slut", then people feel they have a right to disrespect her and see her as an object. Whenever people speak of a women having sex they use terms such as "passed around", "used goods", "taken advantage of", and so forth while a man in the same situation is seen as being the one in charge, the one "using" the woman. Fathers and brothers feel they have to keep their daughter/sister "pure" and "good" while nothing is said to sons and brothers. In other words women who are considered too sexual are harassed, demeaned, and disrespected for it by everyone, man and woman. Men just don't get that kind of treatment because people figure that's just how they are. Now you can't tell me what I'm saying is false. Just look around this board.
Maybe I am the exception to what you have seen. I'm not going to lie how I feel about sex to try to win some kind of points in this debate, that would be silly. I really see sex as sex and nothing else. I didn't love my boyfriend more after we had sex. I love him more now than before because we've been together longer and have shared many experiences (non sexual ones) and have gotten to know each other better. I think lots of people you've met did confuse sex with love because that is what they've been taught. However I really just love to have sex for the physical gratifications and nothing else.
You do hear about it but it's nowhere near as talked about as it is with women. Plus a woman thought of to be sexual because of emotional/mental issues is talked about way more negatively than a man would be. Men demeaning the ones they slept with shows insecurity/low self esteem on their part but a woman having lots of partners or dressing in a certain way does not necessarily mean she is insecure or has low self esteem. Even if she did have insecurity/low self esteem issues, it doesn't mean she uses sex to "cure" it. That's just assumed for women by ignorant people.
Yes and people like these also hate women because of what other women have done to them in the past and have immature emotional levels. I agree they are pathetic.
I think the radical feminists aka. the weird twisted man hating ones are the ones that get the media attention because what they have to say is outrageous and the media loves that kind of stuff. However I think the real feminists, the everyday regular people, still believe in what feminism is truly about. They just don't get heard often because what they have to say is nothing sensational. Maybe to a few mysogynists but not most. Here is a good website about modern feminism.
http://www.io.com/~wwwave/
Well I just want to say I have never been promiscuous so my mental problems are in no way connection to sex, especially since I've had them way before I even knew what sex was. I think promiscuity brings psychological issues for many people because of the way sex is seen and taught. It's still seen as something dirty and not worthy of respect. It's still taught as something you do only when you love someone. Maybe that's why alot of prostitutes get into the drugs because they feel that somehow they're doing something "dirty" and "wrong". Also most people do not see prostitutes as human beings but objects. Prostitutes get treated by people with no respect of any kind because of the way people believe about sex. I'm sure if you were getting treated like shit everywhere you went, weren't even acknowledged as a human being with emotions and feelings, started believing all that, and had guilty feelings because you were taught you job makes you inferior to others, you might get into drugs too. I don't think the promiscuity is making prostitutes dabble in drugs but the way people view and think of sex.
On another note I don't think you have to be promiscuous to show your sexuality or be sexual. I'm just saying that is a matter of preference to some people.
I've never seen Sex and the City but I do know what the show is about. Just because there is a show that finallys shows women's sexuality and point of view on sex does not mean in the real world everything is hunky dory. Will and Grace, a show with two gay men in it is a very popular show and makes gays seem cool. They even say they are cooler than heterosexuals in some of the character's lines. However in the real world, many are still homophobic and have stereotypes. Again check out this board for this example.
Jubei if my perceptions of people are off base, point them out to me. Try to explain to me why it's off base since you seem to have nothing else better to do.
Jubei if my perceptions of people are off base, point them out to me. Try to explain to me why it's off base since you seem to have nothing else better to do.
Again with the condesending attitude from someone with mental problems. Give me a break.
Why are you so concerned with what other people think? Do you think that they are not entitled to have their own views on sex and how people should act?
You say that: "No there is pressure on women to be "good girls". Women are called "sluts", "whores", "skanks" if they are promiscuous or dress provocatively by both men and women. Raped women are told that they deserve it if they have had many consensual partners."
Pressure from who...not from me. I don't think the majority of people think this way, and even if they do it's none of your business, just as it's none of my business what you think.
Why are you so concerned with what other people think? Do you think that they are not entitled to have their own views on sex and how people should act?
You say that: "No there is pressure on women to be "good girls". Women are called "sluts", "whores", "skanks" if they are promiscuous or dress provocatively by both men and women. Raped women are told that they deserve it if they have had many consensual partners."
Pressure from who...not from me. I don't think the majority of people think this way, and even if they do it's none of your business, just as it's none of my business what you think.
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Mandinka2 said:
Thank you, and i have learned a little since school too lol
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jubei said:
I think women for the most part don't care if you call then slut's whores, or skanks, the words are just words , because we get called them so many times for so many different resons. I was called a skank in here because i disagreed with someone ,No names,I don't think that is the meaning of skank is it?
So you think you're better than me because I have mental problems haha. So much ignorance.
"Why are you so concerned with what other people think? Do you think that they are not entitled to have their own views on sex and how people should act?"
People are entitled to their own values but if they start hating on others because they don't agree with the other person's values, even though it's not hurting others then they should shut up. It's not that I care about what others think but that women get a bad rap about sex and their sexuality. It's like a black kid saying he hates racism. It's not that he necessarily cares what others think but wishes idiots like you would see the truth.
I never said you did so don't take it personally. Don't tell you me you don't hear that shit called out to women all the time. Just look around this board. Even Wodin said something about this. It may not be none of my business but I don't like stupid hypocritical double standards like this so I get to say what I think. People that believe in these double standards are dumb bitches in my opinion and there's alot of people like these out there. Funny how people decry racism but sexism is ok.
Oh yes because I'm talking about women's rights it means I'm a man hating person right? Don't tell me you believe stereotypes. I thought you were a little smarter than that. I'm just saying the truth. I don't recall any "man-hating" sentences in my posts either so you saying that I have issues with men is just another way for anti-feminists to devalue what feminists have to say because they don't want to hear anything.
So you think you're better and more capable about talking about your thoughts because you don't have mental problems? Now who has the arrogant attitude?
I wonder why women don't care if they're called demeaning names based on their gender. Other races, maybe except for whites, if you call them racist names, care no matter why and how many times they're called that and they should. These names are used to devalue women and most women just take it. Are women that passive? Are they that stupid? Words are more than just words. They have value and meaning to them. If your significant other told you they love you I'm sure you would treasure that even if it's just a word, right? So what's the difference?
Oh and mandinka you can't reply to my post besides saying that I have issues with men even though you have no evidence. That's lame. I would have thought that would come from jubei, not you.
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Not necessarily , muchof your posts are precisely BECAUSE of a perceived stereotype that there are truly a significant proportion of men out there who genuinely HATE women. Many of your comments could reasonably be interpreted in that vein as dissing men. As mentioned earlier , there are feminists who are worth listening (Germaine Greer and Mary Kenny) but thir voices have been drowned out since they recognise that the feminist movement was used as a political tool in the latter half of the 20th century. That is why they are able to see the gross inequities (in favour of women) in many societies (health, marital issues etc.) and not just blindly wave their flags.mystique said:
Sure I can mystique , you give me the evidence of such issues - it's all over your posts. Men don't hate women , they love them , they do everything they can to love them in fact. Most men are headless chickens without women , all the sexual power resides with women as a consequence of Western society, some choose to wield it irresponsibly and society in turn calls them a few silly names since we haven't come up with any more "civilised" method yet. If a man wields his sexual power it's rape , plenty of men convicted on hearsay.mystique said:
Wow mystique you sure have alot of time on your hands don't you? I guess its the whole staying home for your whole life thing.
Because you have mental problems and don't get out you have a distorted view of reality. Where does all the rage come from? Do people call you a slut or a fag or whatever you are?
Because you have mental problems and don't get out you have a distorted view of reality. Where does all the rage come from? Do people call you a slut or a fag or whatever you are?
sweetnes11
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When someone calls me names , it is never to my face, They know better.
When someone on here calls me a name, I just think they are stupid and go on my way. IF I am wrong on a Subject I will admit it. I personaly like to dress provocitively , thats just part of me. My moto is if you got it flont it , till Its to old to show. Yes I get looks from people in public ,but what do I care what other people think of me. As long as I like me and I am not hurting others Its only my bussiness what I do.
I Don't think mental Issues have anything to do with this subject. Most mental problems are a cemical inbalance. and can be fixed with medication.
When someone on here calls me a name, I just think they are stupid and go on my way. IF I am wrong on a Subject I will admit it. I personaly like to dress provocitively , thats just part of me. My moto is if you got it flont it , till Its to old to show. Yes I get looks from people in public ,but what do I care what other people think of me. As long as I like me and I am not hurting others Its only my bussiness what I do.
I Don't think mental Issues have anything to do with this subject. Most mental problems are a cemical inbalance. and can be fixed with medication.
Mandinka2
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Care to back that up with some stats? There is no question that the vast majority of mental issues stem from environmental causes... chemical imbalances account for mostly depression and schitzophrenia , thats it. In fact it could be vehemently argued that the causes of both of these issues are environmental in the vast majority of sufferers and drugs merely treat the symptoms.sweetnes11 said:
I have found, in the past, there is no arguing with Mandinka....if Santa walked out and had his Santa suit on, and you would say"oh what a pretty red suit" he would argue and say.....hell no stupid its pink......so its a hopeless and worthless cause
but ya know Mandinka..we all love ya
but ya know Mandinka..we all love ya
Mandinka2
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You know dear , I didnt mind that you sent me unsolicited PMs , I didnt mind bantering away with you on whatever topic (in this case you are doubtless referring to the Spongebob thread in relaiton to Kobe Bryant) but if you wish for your view to prevail , I do not think it is too much to ask to back it up with a little weight in the form of statistics / science or at the very least anecdotal evidence. Otherwise you are left with no more than a collection of old wives tales.SoKlueles said:I have found, in the past, there is no arguing with Mandinka....if Santa walked out and had his Santa suit on, and you would say"oh what a pretty red suit" he would argue and say.....hell no stupid its pink......so its a hopeless and worthless cause
but ya know Mandinka..we all love ya
I'd also like to point out to you that I have been mistaken in the past , even on the BTS boards and apologised to Jubei publicly for my mistake. It is my pleasure to admit fault where that fault has been found , the question is is it yours to do the same ? And if it is/was how could you condone male circumcision when it is contrary to medical science , evolution and common sense ? Did you bother to read what was posted before you gave your opinion , or did you merely stick your head in the sand and answer through your arse ?
I try to give all serious posts on whatever board serious responses, and as even mystique acknowledges within this thread try to respect the view of others , since I think that is a prerequisite to open discourse. Many members wish to learn something (I feel I am one of them and have learned much from this board) , since you do not why bother posting at all?
Mandinka2
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Not at all , karma is not the same thing as PM as you should have figured out , Im talking about the PMs you sent when you first came to the board. Remember the one where you asked me "Just how old do you think I am?" to which I replied something like "mid sixties I'm thinking". I assure you I'm not uptight at all , I tend to avoid less serious threads because I can't be bothered with that stuff , it's much better on IM anyway. In any case if you have a point to make then bring it , otherwise please STFU.SoKlueles said:
P.S. Way to go to avoid either the topic of this thread or the core of my post.
I condone circumcism because I have a 17 year old cousin that was not circumsized and when he was small, when his mom would wash him, he would cry when she pulled back his foreskin to wash him. He actually cried and he was 4 or 5 years old. Why do that to a little boy. I have 3 sons and all 3 of them are circumsized just from that experience. I did not do it for science, I did not do it for religion I did not do it because it "looks" better. I did it so, in the long run they would not be in any more pain than they are for 5 minutes that they have the circumcism. You see, when they got over the initial pain of the circumcism. It did not bother them. All I had to do was put a little vaseline on the penis and a bit of gauze to keep it from sticking to their diaper. They did not even flinch when I did this. So, do I regret getting them circumsized...no....do i ever think they will regret my decision in getting them circumsized......no.
Mandinka2
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Y'see , that wasn't so bad now was it? Glad that you decided to join the conversation finally. What you may/may not have been aware of is that the foreskin should NEVER be forcefully retracted , did you retract the clitoral hood of your daughters? This you would have learned had you bothered to read the many threads here on the proper care of the uncircumcised penis. The rather funny thing is that it requires no care at all. Of course the child cried you dimwits!SoKlueles said:
I seem to recall the Pms but you were acting like I was old. Well i am old. Im 63. I should be able to voice my opinions on here without being called stupid or unintelligent. Or some of the words you are calling people. Mandinka, cant we all just get along? and not call each other names.
Mystique is her own person, I am my own person, Jubei is his own person....Kobe is a whole different subject and I cant even find that thread anymore. It was kind of fun bantering with you back and forth. It gets old, like me. Peace
Mystique is her own person, I am my own person, Jubei is his own person....Kobe is a whole different subject and I cant even find that thread anymore. It was kind of fun bantering with you back and forth. It gets old, like me.
Peace
Mandinka2
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Of course we can get along , Im honestly astonished that you are so "mature" and admire your courage to come here and post so fervently. More power to you! I made that remark via PM in jest and I apologise if it caused offence , I certainly never intended it.SoKlueles said:I seem to recall the Pms but you were acting like I was old. Well i am old. Im 63. I should be able to voice my opinions on here without being called stupid or unintelligent. Or some of the words you are calling people. Mandinka, cant we all just get along? and not call each other names.
Mystique is her own person, I am my own person, Jubei is his own person....Kobe is a whole different subject and I cant even find that thread anymore. It was kind of fun bantering with you back and forth. It gets old, like me.
I do not regard people here as unintelligent or stupid since those are permanent states , they may be uneducated on certain matters (as am I on many) , easily corrected by information which presumably we are all here to learn off each other. There are many here clearly more intelligent than I : Irie , Wodin and Warik spring immediately to mind. I do regard that on a topic as serious as genital mutilation that people , particularly parents or people intending to become parents learn everything there is to know before they make their decision. I feel that is the best way to stamp out this awful practice and its effects on BOTH SEXES.
I enjoy bantering with you and once again I apologise for the unintended offence I caused you before , peace to you Ma'am.
Mandinka2
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Ma'am , do you know how rare that practice is in most of the world? Do you know how rare male UTIs are? Most male UTIs in the states amongst uncut males are almost certainly as a result of forced retraction of the foreskin , it bleeds for Chrissakes! Doesn't that give you people any indication that what you are doing is wrong??? All you need do is take stock of nature , for hundreds of millions of years penii and clitorii have existed undeterred and unaffected by the PROTECTIVE SHEATH of skin known as the foreskin or clitoral hood. For Gods sake , if the presence of such a piece of skin resulted in a greater infection rate then nature would have ridded itself of it through evolution , but the opposite happened and that is why its design is seen throughout the mammals of the animal kingdom. EDUCATE.SoKlueles said:
I didnt say i would do it.....i had never even heard of it. I said if it hurt her like the non circumcism of a man did them, i would...I would not put my child under the knife unnecessarily for anything. It is just an observation. I know the foreskin is there for a reason...The tonsils are there for a reason but when they dont work or they hurt, they have to come out too. We live without the tonsils, we live without the foreskin.
Mandinka2
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Lady , as the proud owner amongst billions of other trouble-free owners of foreskins I'm telling you that you did it unneccessarily , its not a case of "If I didnt take a knife to the kids dick then I'd have to pull back this skin and cause him pain". LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE. I bet that 17 year old cousin of yours bones ladies like there is no tomorow, when I hear of American guys using lube to masturbate I think WTF are these folks doing to their children!?SoKlueles said:
You dont extract the tonsils routinely do you? At the very least it should be the decision of the owner and the repsonsibility of the parent to protect the right of the child to decide.SoKlueles said:
at birth....i am the owner of everything that child has. I am everything to that child.He is not old enough to make decisions of foreskin or not foreskin on his own.
And same for tonsils.....he was sick....we had them removed. It wasnt his decision...if it was his, he would be sick all the time and not have them removed. IT wasnt his decision. He was 5. SO00000 out they came. We did what was best for him in the long run. Thats what parents do. We make decisions that need to be made. If we let him make the decision when he is 18. It hurts him worse.
And dont even bring up that my sweet innocent 17 year old cousin is banging women....just dont. EEEEEEK
And same for tonsils.....he was sick....we had them removed. It wasnt his decision...if it was his, he would be sick all the time and not have them removed. IT wasnt his decision. He was 5. SO00000 out they came. We did what was best for him in the long run. Thats what parents do. We make decisions that need to be made. If we let him make the decision when he is 18. It hurts him worse.
And dont even bring up that my sweet innocent 17 year old cousin is banging women....just dont. EEEEEEK
Mandinka2
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You are not the owner , you are the GUARDIAN , there is a significant difference. Did you remove all of the boys' tonsils as a precautionary measure or just the ones that had become infected? Why would you employ different logic with regard to the penis? Why did you remove a part of HIS body when there was nothing worng with it at the time of your making the decision to remove it? THINK. Let's see here , male UTI rates run at about 0.0016% so that makes for a hell of a lot of unneccessary intervention. And even then , if you have an infection in your pussy/clit , do you cut it out????? OF course not , that's silly , excision of tissue is a LAST resort. Do you know the reason why circumcision was introduced to the USA???? What a surprise but it had nothing to do with medical health , it was introduced in the 40's to combat the evil of masturbation. Even your own American Association of Paediatrics has moved from a position in the 80's where they recommended it to a position where they feel that they can no longer recommend it. Go read the other threads now please. I'm happy to provide links. It may interest you to know that the primary reasons given for female circumcision are EXACTLY those of aesthetics and hygiene.SoKlueles said:
I dont care why other people choose circumcism or no circumcism. It is no worry of mine. And Yes i am owner of that child. He comes out of my womb, I nurse him, i feed him, i bathe him...He is mine. I make decisions in his best interests. You may see things differently. I dont have a problem with that. You parent the way you want to, and I will parent the way I want to. It isnt a choice of waiting. If my aunt and uncle had not waited on getting my cousin circumsized, he wouldnt have the pain he has now. They made their choice and now the child is paying for it. If i choose to have 125 more kids and they are all boys, circumcism will be my decision. No man or woman will make me change my mind.
Its kinda like some people being vegetarians....some say its for the sake of the animals....but some just do it to make themselves feel better...they could care less about the cow.
Its kinda like some people being vegetarians....some say its for the sake of the animals....but some just do it to make themselves feel better...they could care less about the cow.
Are you getting bored or aggrivated mandinka? i sense a little...tenseness in your last reply. And stop friggin callin me old woman. Ill beat you with my walking stick. This is a free country. Why arent you using all your energy on something that REALLY matters, like abortion. Now theres another thread that Im sure we would knock heads on. Circumcism is a parental right. You cant take it away from us....nor will you ever take it away from us. Call me ignorant... or whoever....We had this dicussion what....an hour ago about you calling people names? Name calling stopped in grade school buddy....Grow up
Mandinka2
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Lady , child abuse matters , in fact to me an abused child is a greater tragedy than a child never born. You say that the child is YOUR property , that you are free to do with it what you like , well after the moment of its birth that is not the case , you are not free to abuse a female child in this manner , why should you feel free to abuse a male child? Tribes in Africa feel the same way you mention purely through blind ignorance and tradition. I have pleaded with you to EDUCATE YOURSELF on this matter and you have said that NO MAN OR WOMAN CAN DISSUADE YOU . IS THAT NOT THE ESSENCE OF IGNORANCE?? Shame on you. And you are an old woman so that can hardly be construed as an insult. It is no one's right to take a knife to a child's genitals and I would kill to defend my child's right to do what he or she likes with her own body when they are fit to do so and kill those who would wish to interfere with a child in such a manner. Please just learn.SoKlueles said:
Oh brother now your turning my decisions made for my child abuse? abuse is when you stick a cigarette to their skin...abuse is when you beat them and stick them in the closet...abuse is telling them how ugly and fat and how big of a piece of crap they are.....get over your so called morals....i do what is best for my child....if u call that ignorant then I will live my life in ignorant bliss...drop the frickin subject buddy...
Oh and in case you are wondering...yes i do spank my kids. They are going to respect authority and they will respect other people. I dont leave bruises but they know right from wrong.It was how i was raised and how millions were raised with me. I ground them. I keep Nintendo from them when they make bad grades... is that child abuse too??? I dont let them go to their grandmothers if they misbehave...and yes if they backtalk me or talk smart...i smack the mouth...I love my kids...but they will not disrespect me.
Oh and in case you are wondering...yes i do spank my kids. They are going to respect authority and they will respect other people. I dont leave bruises but they know right from wrong.It was how i was raised and how millions were raised with me. I ground them. I keep Nintendo from them when they make bad grades... is that child abuse too??? I dont let them go to their grandmothers if they misbehave...and yes if they backtalk me or talk smart...i smack the mouth...I love my kids...but they will not disrespect me.
Mandinka2
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I take what I said earlier back , you're stupid. You don't deserve to have children. Taking a knife to a child's genitals is not child abuse?? And yes , spanking and hitting children in the mouth is child abuse too. I hope you suffer long old woman , I really do.SoKlueles said:
Mandinka2
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You're right , I don't beat kids and I don't take knives to kids genitals....... how stupid of me to think that I don't have a problem. And no , I wouldn't wish someone who would do such things and furthermore say that they couldnt be persuaded otherwise peace and continue to damage those who are most in need of protection.SoKlueles said:
sweetnes11
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\Mandinka2 said:
I don't belive in removing foreskin,That is my opionin.
I am not saying that Soklueles is wrong either, it was her decision for her sons. The same as it was for Mandinka's parents to make it for him. Would you have the same view on this subject Mandinka if you were cut?
My husband is uncut and i ask him how he felt about it , He said if we have a son he would want it done. I think God know we would fight to much if he gave us a son. so we have 3 daughters , so the subject was put to rest for us.
I think that Soklules did what she felt was best for her son's at the time. as you feel you have done with your Mandinka. Yes there is no medical reason to have it done. And as far as it being nasty or gross looking let me tell ya, a penis isnt all that beautiful to begin with lol ,
Mandinka2
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Lady , i dont care if someone puts a barbell through their head when they are old enough to make that choice. There is NO VALID reason for anyone to take a knife to a child's genitals. SoKlueles said in a previous post that she should not put a child through this if she didnt think it was neccessary , then she contradicts herself by saying that no one could persuade her otherwise. That is plain ignorance , no matter the topic.sweetnes11 said:
Now if I would have been cut (and I do know of two men who have been , one out of choice who later regretted it and a second one because he is African) , you can be damn sure that I'd read every God damn thing I could put my hands on to understand why my parents felt it right that they should pay someone to cut off a part of my body. It is MY BODY , MINE! There are men , even on this site (Rnch is one) who are upset about this mutilation for that is what it is since there is no medical benefit. I do not think that SoKlueles thinks that she did the best thing for her children , she is simply either feeling guilty or too ignorant to learn the damage she has inflicted upon those she gave birth to. Furthermore she and her family is not aware nor has bothered to take the time to learn the proper care (read no care at all) for the uncurcumcised penis. I have ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that she would not do this to any daughters she may have had. Beating children is a sign of a bully. There is so much information on this topic now widely available that anyone who circumcises their children , male or female is in my view negligent and deserves to experience that kind of abuse themselves. Pull a baby girl's hood back and she will bleed too...... she is right about one thing though - I am angry and annoyed that people like her exist , that they are so ignorant that they will force misery and suffering upon more children.
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