Friend gave wife five 5mg test patches...

[THeMaCHinE]

She wants to try them to get the "male" perspective for a couple days.

What's the appropriate dose for this type of application (i.e. libido); from searching the posts, I'm guessing one 5 mg patch on the inner thigh for 5 days? (most of the info I read from the search was regarding the gel though.)

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Hmmm... 23 views, no replies -- did I forget to put on deodorant this morning?

Seriously, I searched (twice), really... Anybody have insight?

 

[Nonerz]

Hmmm... 23 views, no replies -- did I forget to put on deodorant this morning?

Seriously, I searched (twice), really... Anybody have insight?

patches? maybe give more detail?

 

[THeMaCHinE]

patches? maybe give more detail?

They're test patches (like the nic-o-derm patches for smokers); TestDerm or something like that; 5 mg patches. I don't have them in front of me, I'll look at them more closely this evening. I figured they were pretty commonplace... perhaps not?

 

[MS]

5mg would be a total replacement dose for most men! That's very high for a women. Having said that, it may take longer than 5 days treatment for her to experience beneficial sexual side effects even at that dose. It often takes hypogonadal men 3-4 weeks before they're "up and runing" again in terms of libido and erections after test treatment.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

5mg would be a total replacement dose for most men! That's very high for a women. Having said that, it may take longer than 5 days treatment for her to experience beneficial sexual side effects even at that dose. It often takes hypogonadal men 3-4 weeks before they're "up and runing" again in terms of libido and erections after test treatment.

Yeah, I wondered if maybe they were too few to do anything. Her libido is good currently though, she just wants to see if it will give her a rise...

I need to research this more for her before she proceeds. Perhaps they're not meant to be worn every day?

 

[THeMaCHinE]

P.S. How is 5 mg/day total replacement for men? That seems awfully low for a man... What am I missing?

 

[THeMaCHinE]

You need to put them in the crack of her ass, that way she will want anal sex..... LOL

Sorry, guy, I JUST couldn't help it... that thought 'poopped' into my head BWahahahaaaaa

Ok, really, them test patches can vary so much. Get the exact info and get back to us.

MS, 5mg of test per day anit that much really - but that's more along the lines for mass building of course, not sex drive.... ANd did it really take that long in men??? Damn, most women I talk with seem to notice "improvments" rather quickly, and I sure as hell notice within a week or so of starting a cycle!

I'm speechless. I know that somewhere, somehow, there's a good comeback to this. I just can't seem to find it right now. lol...

I'll get the info and post it tomorrow; I didn't realize there was such a variety (duh); guess it's like anything else...

 

[MS]

Yeah, I'd say that a full week or more would be a better 'experiment'. And 5mg per day is PLENTY to bring an average male with very low T levels up into the normal range. Of course, as you pointed out WarLobo, dose for building lots of LBM quickly is quite a lot higher for men. And with the super high doses, you will also get a more rapid onset of desire for anal sex......
I hope THeMaCHinE will report back on the results of this little experiment though. Things might just be getting exciting by the 5 day mark.

 

[NubianBeauty]

You need to put them in the crack of her ass, that way she will want anal sex..... LOL

Sorry, guy, I JUST couldn't help it... that thought 'poopped' into my head BWahahahaaaaa

OMG!! I am speechless!!

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Here's some preliminary info on the patches; it seems to be exclusively indicated for men, except for one AIDS organization in Portugal that says it can be given to post-menopausal women... What I'm not clear on at this point is whether the patch delivers 5 mg/day or 5mg continuously throughout the day. I found one abstract on medline that said the patch actually had 328 mg/test, but suffers from poor absorbtion... I wonder if it's too strong. Perhaps cut the patches in half? I will look at the actual package over lunch (forgot to bring it in this morning).

ALZA Corporation

D-TRANS® transdermal systems.

Testoderm® TTS—Introduced in 1998 for hormone replacement therapy in men with a deficiency or absence of testosterone.

Testoderm TTS, Testosterone Transdermal Patch System, 5 mg, 30 patches individually pouched, Rx for the controlled delivery of testosterone by means of a once-daily application of a transdermal system and is indicated for replacement therapy in males for conditions associated with a deficiency or absence of endogenous testosterone

Testoderm TTS is a thin, clear patch that may be applied to the arm, back or upper buttocks. In clinical studies, daily application of Testoderm TTS maintained normal serum testosterone levels and was associated with a low incidence of skin irritation.

 

[BuffChick77]

You need to put them in the crack of her ass, that way she will want anal sex.....

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!! Holly cow!!!!!
wait, that could be interesting......

 

[MS]

Yes, you can cut them in half, or get something like androderm that comes in 2.5mg patches. They are applied one per day, and slowly releases the test over a 24 hour period. For men, they recommend you apply one at bedtime and this should very closely mimic your natural test levels. From that, I would assume that applying at bedtime results in a testosterone peak in the early morning that gradually tapers off over the day. So if your friend wants his wife to hot for a morning glory, this would prolly be the best way to go. If he wants her hot for the afternoon/evening, then maybe apply mid-morning. No matter what, at that dose she will likely be pretty turned on a lot of the time!

 

[THeMaCHinE]

MS I appreciate your responses; the patch does say 5mg nominal continuous delivery of testosterone for a one-day period.

When it says 5mg nominal continuous delivery of testosterone, what exactly does that mean? How much is the patch actually releasing?

You think if we cut each patch in half, apply a half and seal the cut end with a band-aid, etc... and run them for 10 days that it would work ok? Or, would it be better to run them full strength for 5 days? I understand orals and injectables, but these patches have me somewhat confused...

 

[THeMaCHinE]

"Testoderm TTS is a thin, clear patch that may be applied to the arm, back or UPPER BUTTOCKS."

See.... I was not so out there now was I... sort of scarry huh!

Yes, very scary...lol...

What can I say... you're a true forward thinker...

Of course, you missed application to the mouth for oral sex, but you still get points for anal shock value...

 

[MS]

Nominal continuous delivery means that it will deliver APPROXIMATELY 5mg into the blood stream every 24 hours. It will vary a lot depending on where you put the patch, gender and lots of other stuff. BE VERY CAREFUL. The increase in libido is almost entirely due to the Test converting to DHT, so the higher the libido response, the greater the chance of permanent and undesirable side effects. If it's just sex your friend wants, he'd prolly be better off just giving her some DHT!!!! Even half a patch is pretty high for a woman, and if she's gonna try this, I would keep the trial as short as possible.

As a side note, I'm told that test converts to DHT at a greater rate in and around the woman's genitals. I'd go for an inner thigh application, though the buttocks is also pretty close!

 

[THeMaCHinE]

MS, again, thanks for your input. Perhaps a 1/3 patch daily for 2 weeks... do you think that would be too long? These are relatively fast-acting, so one could discontinue if side effects surfaced and have it clear a lot faster than something with an ester attached...

Or maybe, I should just throw the patches away... it's not meant to be a cycle after all, more of a libido experiment. If it can't be done safely, it's not worth doing... She's more of an anavar woman for cycle (and even then, she doesn't go above 10 mg/day); she hasn't tried anything remotely androgenic before...

I wonder what the nominal variance is... They say approximately 5 mg/day, but I wonder what the high end of absorbtion could be...

 

[fl8meplz]

Hey themachine, she should be fine doing it that way. My wife tried out test. cypionate at 100mgs. a week for two weeks and then dropped to 30mgs per week for a couple. Wow was that a lot of fun!! She was so horny she said everywhere she looked all she could do was think about sex. The only noticible sides were that her clit grew a little. No complaints here!

 

[MS]

I dunno what the high end absorbed dose would be, but the total Test PER PATCH is only ~11mg (for a 5mg nominal patch). The 328mg or whatever if for the whole box of 30 patches, not per patch. So figure ~ 50% with the Testoderm system. A short course won't kill her, but your friend is taking a rather bizarre risk for a woman that doesn't even have a problem with sex drive. But IF the goal is to "feel what a man feels", then use a whole patch. This will no doubt be overkill since her body will be naive to such high levels of androgens, just like when a guys on a decent cycle. My comment about it taking longer than a week was in reference to how long it takes to reach steady state, therapeutic replacement blood levels in men. I imagine her libido will increase before this time, but if she really wants to experience life from a male perspective, it almost certainly takes longer than a week for changes in mood, personality and outlook on life to stabilize. Ditto for any anabolic benefits.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

MS -- you sure about the 11 mg? The individual package insert and medline say that each patch contains 328 mg; Medline says it suffers from extremely poor absorbtion however...

Do you truly see 5 days at 5 mg/day (or 2.5 for 10) as risky? I've read a lot of posts about women on test here... I would have thought this to be somewhat more mild than the norm due to its short duration and steady application without a spike... I'm sure she doesn't want to shut down or experience negative sides for something like this though...

I do appreciate your input.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Hey themachine, she should be fine doing it that way. My wife tried out test. cypionate at 100mgs. a week for two weeks and then dropped to 30mgs per week for a couple. Wow was that a lot of fun!! She was so horny she said everywhere she looked all she could do was think about sex. The only noticible sides were that her clit grew a little. No complaints here!

That's a lot of test -- probably more than we'd be comfortable with (in her); I'll bet you guys did have fun... lol...

 

[MS]

My Bad THeMaCHinE. I was talking about the scrotal patches, and now I see you were talking about the TTS system which is 328mg. Doesn't really matter, you'll still get, on average, 5mg T per 24 hours whichever system you use. For those of you juice heads that don't think that's very much T, and average male only produces 4-7 mg per day naturally. And no, I don't think 5 days of treatment will turn her into a man, I just don't understand the "why" of it all. But it's none of my business really.

Curiosity killed the cat, and sex is one of the most addictive things for some people. As long as everyone involved thinks they can try it 'just once' then there's prolly no harm done. It's when you say "hey, that was fun, let's do it again"......that the trouble begins.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Points noted -- I think the "why" of it more or less relates to her wanting to understand the psychotic sexual frenzy (I'm being somewhat dramatic here, but there's an element of truth) I experience when on a test cycle... lol...

Just an experiement -- we only have 5 patches that were given to us, won't get any more. Sex for us is fun no matter how it comes, we’re relatively sexual creatures, so this will more or less just be another window to have looked through, not the only window. As long as it's safe, no biggie.