Darktooth said:Maybe he was just another Mumia sympathizer. Why didn't any witness see the hired hitman shoot the cop? This could go on back and forth forever. I still think Mumia killed that cop. I don't need to read any Mumia sympathizer's web page because I know they will say anything to help "their cause" to free Mumia.
Oh well, he's on death row anyhow, so one less scum bag off the streets.
Darktooth said:Ok, but why would Mumia say this?
"Cook [Mumia] bragged to emergency room staff that he had shot the "pig", and that he hoped he was dead."
For what reason? Why?
Unless that whole cop page is feeding bogus information![]()
smokinghawk said:I think there's no doubt Mumia had a terrible trial--but a lot of that was his own fault.
I also think he's guilty. Should he be retried? Sure. Freed? Nope. I think he did it.
Leonard Peltier--now THAT man is as innocent as they come, by such overwhelming mountains of evidence...I'll back Peltier with every ounce of my energy, but not Mumia.
mylife said:some of america's most intelligent people (jello biafra) have been avid defenders of mumia's case for the last decade. in fact, when biafra ran for president he chose mumia as his running partner. search on whichever file sharing program you use and type in...jello biafra mumia...and listen to his spoken word piece on this.
cockdezl said:
I have little knowledge of this case, but please tell us when Jello Biafra was voted one of America's most intelligent?
Is this the same time that Hillary Clinton was voted one of the smartest women in the world??
Darktooth said:
Will do, as long as you tell me the wonderful joys of smoking pot and eating pot brownies.![]()
Darktooth said:
And fuck all the crooked citizens! they should all have their heads blown off.
Darktooth said:
Yeah, I guess drugs are a good thing...Especially to my body. Talk about noble!
mylife said:
In my opinion...sorry. im not sure if you're familliar with biafras work but the vast majority of it is an unbiased look at the reality of how corrupt america can be.
Jello Biafra's Platform for Year 2000 Green Party
I am surprised and honored to be drafted as a nominee. I have been an artist/activist since 1978. I was the leader and creative force of pioneering punk band Dead Kennedys. I have owned and operated a small business, Alternative Tentacles Records. We are now celebrating our Twentieth Anniversary. I ran for Mayor of San Francisco in 1979, placing fourth out of ten candidates. I was the main target in the first criminal trial over a record album in American history. The jury deadlocked and the charges were dismissed. This vaulted me into the national media and lecture circuit as a spokesman on civil liberties. I have locked horns with Tipper Gore, Pat Buchanan, Oprah Winfrey, and many Religious Right activists on this issue.
Besides music, I have released five spoken word CD sets that boil down and promote many ideas dear to Greens: human rights, freedom of speech, the Gulf War, the Drug War/Prison-Industrial Complex, globalization and the WTO, and a newer emphasis on how to fight back.
I have been registered Green for many years, and support the Green Key Values and Platform. But how do we implement and sell (Yes, sell. This is Disney-addled America) our key values and programs to the general public?
A few ideas:
Enact a maximum wage
Great idea. When I got it aired on Politically Incorrect I was roundly booed by audience and guests alike. The host told the viewers I was crazy before he even said my name. People assume they are the ones who will be hurt when the big bad government hits the middle class with another evil tax.
So let’s be generous: No taxes up to $100,000; after that it’s payback time. And emphasize the payback--free health care, free education (including amnesty on student loans), free transportation (including air travel), and more.
Revenue will be used for the many costly programs in the Green platform and long over-due public works projects; also vastly increased subsidies for the arts, especially community radio and television; subsidies for independent organic farms, hemp and kanaf farms (to end dependence on paper from forests), and solar and windmill farms to decrease our fossil fuel gluttony.
Urban blight can be further eradicated by legalizing and subsidizing squatters who fix up long-vacant buildings. This has worked well in Europe when given a chance; think of what it could do for places like St. Louis or Richmond, VA. Speed up conversion to electric buses, trucks, a national high-speed rail system; and , of course, electric cars.
We don’t need a flat tax, but a flattening tax, to truly level the playing field. After all, what causes more damage to the planet, drug addiction or wealth addiction? Hopefully the maximum wage will raise enough money to fill the cups of everyone who makes less than $100,000 so weíll all be even. And can we please find a clearer, sexier term than single-payer health care next time it’s a ballot initiative?
We must close all hemorrhaging tax loopholes that benefit giant corporations, including organized religion.
Taxpayers should also be given a multiple choice of the ten or fifteen major areas of government to decide what percentage of their tax money goes where. My guess is that education and the environment will go straight up, and the arms race and prison expansion will go straight down.
Abolish the Military
And the CIA, NSA, DIA, DEA, ATF, hopefully the FBI, and disband all SWAT teams.
Our biggest national security threat is the environmental destruction of our planet and the arms race with ourselves. So let’s use the defense budget, personnel, and know-how for a new mission: clean up toxic waste, rebuild cities and infrastructure, dismantle all nuclear arms and satellites, and implement worldwide the very environmental and labor practices Third World WTO delegates complained are too costly.
Withdraw from NAFTA and the World Trade Organization.
Wealth addicts have gotten carried away; now it’s time for rehab. Earlier in our history there were strict laws mandating public hearings and revocations of charters of corporations for misconduct, and restricting board of directorships to one corporation per person. Letís bring these laws back.
Irradiated and GM (Genetically Mutilated) frankenfood and other products must be labeled. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 should be repealed immediately. And workers should be allowed to elect their bosses.
End the war on drugs
Decriminalize marijuana and illegal narcotics such as heroin, cocaine, and crack. Hard-core addiction is an illness, not a crime. Put users on prescription, and crime will drop dramatically when they donít have to rob and kill people to pay the Mobís high drug prices.
Any president or governor can stop the prison-building boom right now by commuting sentences for minor, non-violent drug offenders to time served. Why not pressure them to do it?
The same goes for the death penalty. I have chosen Mumia Abu-Jamal, a noted author, journalist, and activist currently on Death Row in Pennsylvania on questionable charges, as my vice presidential running mate to show why we should join the rest of the civilized world and halt executions forever.
I am an anarchist in my personal life. I try to live my life in a way that I don’t need cops or baby-sitters to keep me from infringing on others. But I don’t feel we have evolved far enough as a species to make anarchy work in society itself. We still need government to transfer the wealth from those who have too much to those who have too little, to make sure important projects get done, and keep territorial humans from screwing over and killing each other.
So guess what? I’m Tough On Crime!, especially when the punishment fits the crime:
_ Sentence slum lords to live in their own buildings.
_ Sentence polluters to inhale and swim in the mess they’ve made until they clean it up. Sentence Savings and Loan sharks and white collar gangstas from our recent bank deregulation to pay back all the money they steal, just like if they held up a 7-11.
_ Sentence arms dealers and manufacturers to pay for rebuilding all the places destroyed by the by the wars they help start.
End Police Brutality
Make police officers stand for election every four years, voted on by the districts they patrol.
Lower the Voting Age to Five
See youth apathy magically turn around when they know they have a real stake in their future; and get to vote for their school boards, and why not their teachers?
Education Reform
Including a mandatory class on parenting and offer drug and sex education using actual drugs and sex in class. Showing how it’s done with an emphasis on sensitivity could do wonders for combating sexism and date rape. Joycelyn Elders is right: teaching masturbation is far more realistic than expecting today’s libidinous teens to bury their heads in abstinence.
Meanwhile, nothing gets bigger laughs at parties than our rigid Drug Czar’s TV ads. To put it mildly: they don’t work. Students should be able to experiment with drugs in a supervised and controlled setting to learn their limits, not sent blindly off on their own into the risks of hard core addiction.
Election Reform
State and national legislative elections should be switched to a parliamentary system with proportional representation. Campaign time should be limited to six weeks. Anyone campaigning or soliciting bribes, excuse me, contributions, beforehand will be automatically disqualified.
Ballots in all elections should include the option of voting None of the Above. If NOTA gets over 50% of the vote, a new election must be held with all new candidates.
Other Proposals:
Limit junk mail to one 3 x 5 card per mailing
Ban drug and lie-detector tests of employees and students, and forbid the drugging of schoolchildren against their will.
Give out giant waterproof Yuppie Parasite decals containing a skull and crossed cell-phones to be plastered by concerned citizens on all sport utility vehicles until they are eradicated from urban and suburban areas.
Convert giant sports stadiums into homeless shelters until the maximum wage imposed on today’s sports stars funds the necessary low-income housing.
Fight gentrification by allowing those under siege to spray whipped cream on those who flaunt their upwardly mobile invader status until the interlopers leave town.
I apologize to those who feel I should wage a more aggressive campaign. I did not expect to be nominated, and I am locked in my own battle against globalization that has been a huge strain on my time, emotions, and resources. Former members of my old band are suing me with the expressed intent of wiping out 22 years of work because I wouldn’t allow them to put one of our best known songs in a Levi’s Dockers TV commercial. Trial begins April 17.
Plus, I voted for Ralph Nader last time, and would gladly vote for him again. Should I have let my name be on the ballot at all? Ever since I ran for mayor, I have proven to be an effective media magnet and lightening rod for protest votes reaching far beyond the underground popularity of my work. On the other hand, should a flamboyant artist and prankster be the main banner-carrier at this point? Or would more progress be made by only running "serious" candidates?
Events in Seattle and around the globe show there are far more people on our side of the fence than we give credit for. What does it say about our country when people are so desperate for an alternative to our one-party state masquerading as a two-party state that they’ll even elect a professional wrestler governor?
Steelworkers and eco-activists are marching together. People are questioning whether it is more important to live in a marketplace than a community. They question whether competitiveness is more important than compassion and quality of life. More and more young people see corporations as an authority figure to rebel against, instead of buying into every manufactured pop trend. The spread of Students Against Sweatshops on college campuses is important--not just because the battle is right, but because it is winnable. A step by step approach makes greater change seem less hopeless.
In my own small way I try to inspire people to at least start thinking about what they might do and where they would fit in if we actually found ourselves in charge. For all their faults, at least the front line opposition in places like the Czech Republic and South Africa had some idea of how they would actually run things if and when they had the chance. We’re not there yet. Splitting into two competing Green Parties is just plain childish.
Don't hate the media, become the media
Film-maker Michael Moore is right: we must spend less time arguing and agreeing with each other, and more time reaching out to people who may not appear to agree with us, but often share the same underlying concerns. These issues aren’t left versus right, they are the top against the bottom. No one who is down-sized out of a job should be allowed to fall for Pat Buchanan. Putting food on the table is the number one wedge issue of growing concern for everyone.
We need to show the step by step ways each individual can help free themselves from Corporate Feudalism. Condensing and translating the Green Party Platform from lawyer-ese into English, Spanish, etc. would be a big help here.
We must emphasize the importance of voting in local elections, where a smaller group of concerned citizens can make the most difference.
Some people not yet weaned from today’s Democratic Party will try to intimidate us, calling us spoilers who siphon away votes, and tip close races to Republicans. I say, "Great!" Let’s do it some more. The real spoilers are operatives like Clinton, Gore, Feinstein, and the Democratic Leadership Council, rendering their party indistinguishable from the party of Bu$h, Inc., and thus making the Greens, New Party, and others necessary in the first place.
As it stands now, we are being farmed. Imagine what we can do if we gain enough seats in legislatures to influence the balance of power and decision making. Imagine what we can do if we get the necessary 5% of the vote in this presidential election to gain federal matching funds for 2004. This is all more than possible, even under current election laws.
Join the Green Wedge!
Darktooth said:
Yeah, same goes for you, too...
You think he's innocent, that's your opinion you got from reading the pro-Mumia web sites. So does that mean the pro-Mumia's opinions have been formed for you as well? Or does that mean you just decided that he wasn't guilty. I never let anyone take control of what I had to say, especially in this case.
I have read both sides, but I can't trust the pro-Mumia web sites and what they say.
And also, I never let anyone form an opinion for me to know that marijuana isn't exactly the best thing someone should be doing...
As for the drinking part, I don't drink.
Warik said:The question is, if he has already been found guilty of murder, WHY IS HE STILL ALIVE?
Darktooth said:
Yeah, I guess drugs are a good thing...Especially to my body. Talk about noble!
SofaGeorge said:
Unfortunately, people like MyLife have limited experience in investigating these types of cases first hand. He is forced to rely on the information presented/fabricated by supporters of a man who convicted murder and is trying desperately to get his conviction overturned.
I've reviewed his case and documentation extensively. I've seen NOTHING credible that supports any claim of innocence.
Mumia supporters also neatly ignore the overwhelming evidence that lead to his conviction.
Originally posted by DoctorBollix
Supporting this guy is a fashion statement, that's all. If you are seriously concerned about injustice, he should be way down the list of priorities.
Originally posted by p0ink
lay off mylife. he is simply thinking how the Rage Against The Machine website tells him to think.
Darktooth said:
Oh yeah, about the drugs... No, they don't fry your brain at all, they do nothing to your brain![]()
That's why I walk over bums on the sidewalk with needles sticking out, and they're passed out on the ground with rolled back eyes and drool coming out. That's why I see drug addicts screaming and yelling at nothing. That's why I see addicts who are so far out there that nothing in the world matters to them anymore except for their next high. They are all fucked up in the head, all of them. They have no where to go and they can't do shit because all of those drugs fucked them up. Their brains got fried.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that drugs fry your brain... So maybe when you stop doing those cocktails of drugs, you will see a little more clearly.
mylife said:
I can live with that statement. If you think mumia is guilty of killing the cop, fine, but at least view both sides before making an opinion. Darktooth read some shit on a biased website and formed an opinion based on it. freemumia.com/org may be biased but they have court filed affidavits as evidence from people who have no reason to be biased.
let's say he did kill the cop. if i saw a close relative getting beaten with a nightstick by a cop for a simple traffic violation i'd blow his head off too.
mylife said:
let's say he did kill the cop. if i saw a close relative getting beaten with a nightstick by a cop for a simple traffic violation i'd blow his head off too.
mylife said:
keep letting the law dictate what's good and bad for yourself. it's noble work you're doing.
smokinghawk said:
Sure, but I have read about his case, from both sides. I know why the evidence against him is either questionable or quite good, depending on which source is giving it. I just think he did it.
originally posted by scuples
well then i'd say you'd probably end up on death row and rightfully so....why? he was licensed to carry the gun. if a citizen shoots a cop who is beating someone he gets put on death row. if a cop witnessed a citizen beating a cop and he shot and killed him he'd be honored.
Darktooth said:
Sweet dreams.
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