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tour de france winner floyd landis tests positive for high levels of testosterone as reported by espn news.
this should really help the reputation of aas
this should really help the reputation of aas
floyd landis tests positive...
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AND according to what i was reading on yahoo... he has since disappeared... apparently no one knows where the guy is!
as for the testing... its kind of sad really, and with all the HELL some other countries, and accusations they put Lance Armstrong through, yet he came up clean every time... and he previously had fucking cancer... Lance handled it a lot better than i would have
as for the testing... its kind of sad really, and with all the HELL some other countries, and accusations they put Lance Armstrong through, yet he came up clean every time... and he previously had fucking cancer... Lance handled it a lot better than i would have
Stryker1992
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eastcoastplayer said:
AHHHH fuck, like all those guys are not on something! Christ!
theprofessor
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maybe it was his muscle milk lol j/k...
yea thats bullshit... they should do all that shit before the race...
yea thats bullshit... they should do all that shit before the race...
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immortalis
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Fuckin fuck... awesome. 
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T-Matt
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immortalis said:Fuckin fuck... awesome.
Yeah, you can say that again.. From what I recall anything over a 6:1 test:estrogen is high testosterone.. What a bunch of fucking horseshit, you're riding a goddamn bicycle.. If you wanna take a gram of EQ and REALLY feel the pump from cycling up the mountains, by all means go ahead and knock yourself out..
What's next someone is going to test positive for too much protein in their sweat?
I need a drink..
Fuck, they need a smiley face for some Crown Royal..T-Matt
bigdaddybear
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the media sometimes likes stories like that... to pick on the good guy just to make headlines.... it sells!
there no justice in making big deal about steroids and sports.. they always been there... and will always stay!!!!!!!
so media fuckheads.. get over it!
there no justice in making big deal about steroids and sports.. they always been there... and will always stay!!!!!!!
so media fuckheads.. get over it!
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T-Matt
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Yeah no shit and boldenone-no-ester..
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steelmass said:
bigcountry61
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i dont see why people care if atheltes use AAS...
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immortalis
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bigcountry61 said:
to be honest, id rather see like a football league that condoned the use of gear. I want to see the biggest, baddest, most aggressive motherfuckers out there just GOIN AT IT
Of course the average lifespan of these guys probably wouldnt be longer than 35 years, but hey... it would be fun to watch
comebackkid.
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I say GOOD! The sooner the international sport community learns that with all the money and noteriety at stake in international competition that it is impossbile to compete competitively as a world class athlete without performance enhancing substances the better.
The issue is not that he used, but that he got caught.
Oh, and Lance used EPO. Get over it.
And don't give me that nonsense about rules are rules and you have to follow them since you put yourself under the authority of the governing federation. The reality is to compete at the highest level, you have to subject yourself to the governing federations. Pro BB have to subject themselves to the IFBB, baseball players to MLB and football players to the NFL. To play, you have to be under "their flag," but how can you follow rules when the rewards offered are so great and the guy next to you is using every advantage to secure them for himself. What, are you not supposed to do the same thing...or are you to play with one hand tied behind your back - figuratively? (The exception being sports that have designated classes for tested and non tested athletes, ie. NPC vs. OCB). All I know is that people who defy the authority for a just cause are called patriots. GO GUYS!
The issue is not that he used, but that he got caught.
Oh, and Lance used EPO. Get over it.
And don't give me that nonsense about rules are rules and you have to follow them since you put yourself under the authority of the governing federation. The reality is to compete at the highest level, you have to subject yourself to the governing federations. Pro BB have to subject themselves to the IFBB, baseball players to MLB and football players to the NFL. To play, you have to be under "their flag," but how can you follow rules when the rewards offered are so great and the guy next to you is using every advantage to secure them for himself. What, are you not supposed to do the same thing...or are you to play with one hand tied behind your back - figuratively? (The exception being sports that have designated classes for tested and non tested athletes, ie. NPC vs. OCB). All I know is that people who defy the authority for a just cause are called patriots. GO GUYS!
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T-Matt
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comebackkid. said:
Great post!
Everyone looks for that edge.. When that edge is taken away, you go find another one and you push the limits of your sanctioning body..
The patriot analogy was fucking money man!
T-Matt
eastcoastplayer
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bigcountry61 said:
i think they care so much because they are unaware of how widespread aas use is in professional athletics. when the common person out there finds out how much use is going on, and, how important aas is just to keep up, i think the negative stereotypes may even turn into support just so you can watch the biggest, baddest, most athletic dudes score touchdowns or beat the shit out of each other.
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PROHORMONES!! hahah
Stryker1992
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a creed said:
NO SHIT. Now the other fuck on steroids will ge the victory!
02gixxersix
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Increased red blood cells would increase the rate at which oxygen is transported through the body, and also the rate at which toxins are removed I would assume.lesarin said:
solidspine
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It was on the news again tonight, they are going to test him "aqain" before anything official will be done, eg take away his rating and 1st place price. If he was on gear, test that is, it should be out of his system by the time they test him.
It was simply reported that his test levels were high, not that he had gear in his system.
It was simply reported that his test levels were high, not that he had gear in his system.
02gixxersix
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Only if you have Balco doing your injects lolanthrax said:
Big_Joe
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comebackkid. said:
What makes you think Lance used EPO?? Just because rumors abound?? How about the "sour grapes" syndrome is the source of the rumors. Whenever someone does as well as Lance someone wants to talk shit about him to make their losing less painful, especially the French.
Around here you have guys that say so and so is on the juice. But what they are really saying is I couldn't do that unless I was on a few grams a week. This is false logic. It only means that they couldn't do what ever without juice. It doesn't mean that others can't.
And as far as saying that someone does any drugs, be it roids or whatever, I want to see evidence not opinion. And I want the chain of custody to remain intack. There are so many f***heads that would do anything to tear someone down that I want to see that some low life couldn't have tampered with the evidance. Like Furman and OJ, how did the bood on his sock get heparin in it anyhow? If a cop is going to frame someone do you think some bicycle rider wouldn't???
Lack of integrity is a major problem in the world today.
taste-icles
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Well, as the ONLY cat 1 elite rider on this board, and having rode with Lance, George, Tyler and many many many other US cyclists I'll say this.
When I was 16, I was fed dbol by a trainer with every fresh bottle of water. Test is something that as a mountain climber is very important, and I would not doubt it that in training people still use, but during competitons... not so much. Remember these guys work like world cup players TIMES 20!!! Can you imagine doing 100+ hours of cardio in 22 days?
Cyclists dehydrated very easily too, and that messes with the endocrine systels, chasnging ph and all that crazy stuff. At one point i was told i was a diabetic lol what i am saying here is that cyclists blow stuff out of the system so fast it is amazing.
ps, lance has 'normal' test levels, they just happen to be reading pharmaceutical grade test in his system, not natty test.
pps, skinny or not, we generally have REALLY low bf% and don't need yohimburn dnp etc lol... but George Hincapie for example is 6'3" and 175lbs with maybe 7-8%. He misses a meal and he'll pass out. I was 6' and 185-190 in riding form with incredible definition on my legs, arms, and abs. I could also do 10 reps easy full length leg presses @ well over the 880 stack we had at the gym when I was 15 years old. Now I am old and fat
Who do I think dopes or did:
the entire sport of cycling.
When I was 16, I was fed dbol by a trainer with every fresh bottle of water. Test is something that as a mountain climber is very important, and I would not doubt it that in training people still use, but during competitons... not so much. Remember these guys work like world cup players TIMES 20!!! Can you imagine doing 100+ hours of cardio in 22 days?
Cyclists dehydrated very easily too, and that messes with the endocrine systels, chasnging ph and all that crazy stuff. At one point i was told i was a diabetic lol what i am saying here is that cyclists blow stuff out of the system so fast it is amazing.
ps, lance has 'normal' test levels, they just happen to be reading pharmaceutical grade test in his system, not natty test.
pps, skinny or not, we generally have REALLY low bf% and don't need yohimburn dnp etc lol... but George Hincapie for example is 6'3" and 175lbs with maybe 7-8%. He misses a meal and he'll pass out. I was 6' and 185-190 in riding form with incredible definition on my legs, arms, and abs. I could also do 10 reps easy full length leg presses @ well over the 880 stack we had at the gym when I was 15 years old. Now I am old and fat
Who do I think dopes or did:
the entire sport of cycling.
FFQuads
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Don't people really and truly want to see the freaks in pro sports? When you turn on the TV and watch whatever sport you like, dont you want to see the guy that can run as fast as a horse or the guy that can hit harder than anyone else??? Is that so bad? For myself, you want to see it!
taste-icles
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His team suspended him lastnight Wallst journal article link
Here are some articles from the 'no shit sherlock' file:
Wallst journal article link Here are some articles from the 'no shit sherlock' file:
DUH!Wall St Journal said:
He trained for this ride not trained during the ride, so bulking would be retarded.WSJ part 2 said:
number 3 said:
scout69 said:
No SHIT!! That's what I was thinking as I saw the news this morning. That guy's upper arms are the size of my wrists!
Did you see the part when he won and raised his arm in the air? If I were a tester and saw that I'd think "no way he's on...must be a mistake...no need to test any further boys."
taste-icles
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a cyclist's metabolism and body type are VERY different than yours. not to mention the sever dehydration after a stage. For a cyclist to bulk, where some people would be extreme and say drop a gram of test a week, a cyclist would have to be doing double that, or well into "that will give a normal guy gyno in a week" kinds of dosage. I tried to bulk for years while cycling, could never happen, so I stopped two years ago, (before aas) and it was like another growth spurt, my chest got broader, hips wider and so on... When people bitched about dbol pumps, I was taking close to 100mgs a day and riding for 4-6 hours with no pain. half life for dbol is few days in a cyclist or other major endurance athletes compared to a week for some normal bb'rs.
what is pct, nolva, clomid?
floyd is skinny (built like a mountain climber, not a sprinter), but not every cyclist is a pencil neck geek. many are built like running backs, especially the one day criterium riders.
I'd pick lance to beat the crap out of say... tiger woods or even kobe bryant anyday. I should refer to Sean Kelley punching a guy in a previous Tour de France. I also would not pick a fight with George Hincapie. Mind you, I was a three sport kid with a stellar record in all three, lacrosse, cycling and muay thai, i could kick the entire cycling establishment's ass and then some, so maybe i see things too much from my perspective.
what is pct, nolva, clomid?
floyd is skinny (built like a mountain climber, not a sprinter), but not every cyclist is a pencil neck geek. many are built like running backs, especially the one day criterium riders.
I'd pick lance to beat the crap out of say... tiger woods or even kobe bryant anyday. I should refer to Sean Kelley punching a guy in a previous Tour de France. I also would not pick a fight with George Hincapie. Mind you, I was a three sport kid with a stellar record in all three, lacrosse, cycling and muay thai, i could kick the entire cycling establishment's ass and then some, so maybe i see things too much from my perspective.
comebackkid.
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Big_Joe said:
What makes me think Lance used EPO? Uh, only that about 6 samples taken from him in 1999 showed positive for it. The fact that technology for EPO testing wasn't around in 1999 and that the tests were performed much later once the technology was available is really inconsequential. That is what makes me think.
Lance argues that too much time passed and the sample were tainted. This arguements has some validity from the standpoint of scientific accuracy. However, no time lapse and natural decomposition of a blood sample will cause a false posiitive EPO reading.
The guy used...he used blantendly before testing was available even though it was a banned substance.
Lance used, get over it. So does everyone....as well they should (if under the guidance of a knowledgable professional).
They are tested at the end of every stage of the race. The results that he had high testosterone were at the end of stage 17 I think. He had a press conference in Spain today and said they he will get tested again and that his high levels of testosterone were normal because of his cycling.
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Think about the 17 year old watching a professional football player running faster, hitting harder or a sprinter running a 100 meter race and blowing away the competition. Thinking their going to see the same results they start doing steroids without thinking of the possible consequences. We have to face fact people like Barry Bonds and Ben Johnson are role models and have a responsibility to today's youth and tell them that its not ok to do drugs.FFQuads said:
taste-icles
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I don't imagine that it as direct as "he does it and goes faster, so should I do it too" You have to remember, they are doing this in secret assuming nobody would ever find out, because if they knew they would get caught, Barry Bonds would be just some phys ed teacher at an elementary school.cat_fish said:
Believe me, if you could dunk like Kobe naturally you would, and often, but everyone else would try anything to compete with you. It is inadequacy, insecurity, so they jab, fuck the consequences, I am 17 and invincible, dare you to tell me otherwise.
Mind processes, it is all so casual to escalate it:
I am 15, I am a needle away from making varsity.
17, I am a needle away from a scholarship.
21, I am a needle away from that nfl contract.
25, I am a needle away from the hall of fame.
30, I need the needle or they will retire your old ass because on my own, I can't compete with the young guys.
oh shit, i just realized what would make him (floyd) stronger, spike the test, and rebound like this almost overnight and test positive... HALO
kmoe42
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hey now proffesor they migh test positive for MM haha just kidding with ya but u have to admit i did have somewhat of a good point witht he colostrum and all..right? lol ya this testing is dumb let us athletes juice and i dont see why these guys dont get an oil change if they know they bein tested... iol change-takin pee from ur bladder and replacin it with clean pee.. very painful i hear but effective and alot of NCAA d1 teams use it caugh caugh the national champs for one lol
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cat_fish
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I don't have a problem with a 21 year old using gear, I believe that individual is of age and has the right to see what life is like on the dark side. What I have a problem with is the 15 year old being a needle away from making varsity or the 17 year old being a needle away from a scholarship (BTW excellent analogy taste-icles). While the average 17 year old is far from a kid IMO he does think as himself as being invincible and will more than likely do something foolish that could possibly cost him his life only because he lacks the knowledge that he would have if he were 21.
But I/we digress, this is about a bike rider that may have got his hand caught in the cookie jar.
Cat_Fish out
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But I/we digress, this is about a bike rider that may have got his hand caught in the cookie jar.
Cat_Fish out
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taste-icles
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yes cat_fish, back on topic.
being on test during a ride would make me feel lethargic, plus his menanite background the huge shame he would face would be so awful. I feel for him I really do and so i can see him passing, but the accusation is enough. another car forum mentioned that it is now a court of public opinion.
lance was a great person to hate, floyd is getting it only because he is an american. i hate lance, with a passion i reserve for child molsetors and used car salesman.
being on test during a ride would make me feel lethargic, plus his menanite background the huge shame he would face would be so awful. I feel for him I really do and so i can see him passing, but the accusation is enough. another car forum mentioned that it is now a court of public opinion.
lance was a great person to hate, floyd is getting it only because he is an american. i hate lance, with a passion i reserve for child molsetors and used car salesman.
ProtienFiend
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Kind of off topic question... Why aren't pro BBers arrested? We know they juice, thats what the sport is about. They or their trainer also, buy, use aor sell it too. What gives? Why is there leniency? Note, im not trying to bash, its actually a serious question.
ProtienFiend
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lanky said:
But was it legally obtained? if not its just as illegal as injectable test e (although androgel is probably a shorter ester, prop maybe??)
ProtienFiend
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lanky said:
So its natural....? I wonder where they get it from....
instant.muscle
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if he's a pro athlete he should have some fuckin common sense and get a script for it
theprofessor
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i didn't think a script was a legitamate excuse for international/pro athletes??? otherwise i'm sure they would all be on HRT...instant.muscle said:
instant.muscle
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my friend is a pro wrestler, like as in on TV, he has a script and is 300+ pounds, one time i went with him 2 wallgreens and he walked out wit a bottle of sust250, if he gets away with it anyone should
theprofessor
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just because he has a script and can obtain it legaly doesn't mean the least bit he is allowed to use it as an excuse if tested...instant.muscle said:
if it were only that simple...
instant.muscle
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ya ur prob right but i figured :-/
FFQuads
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I just read this and thought it had some good info.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2532396
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2532396
lanky
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floyd landis's statment- "the levels that I've had during the Tour and all my career are natural and produced by my own organism."
by his phrasing of the answer "organism" it sounds like he is trying to play dumb.
should had gone with the classic defense statement "must have been a contaminated protein shake" lol
by his phrasing of the answer "organism" it sounds like he is trying to play dumb.
should had gone with the classic defense statement "must have been a contaminated protein shake" lol
Bruce
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i thought this was interesting.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/othersports/279372_landisbar29.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/othersports/279372_landisbar29.html
chazk
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What better of a boost then a nice water based test suspension shot to get you moving in the morning. Any one that has used test suspension knows it is in and out in a day and really turns you into a raging freak for 6-8 hours. 
I think he just didnt time it right what every he used.
Maybe he used bary bonds flaxseed oil and cream for his sore knee .
I think he just didnt time it right what every he used.
Maybe he used bary bonds flaxseed oil and cream for his sore knee .
taste-icles
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Greatest quotes EVER about cycling and doping:
taste-icles
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Ok, I am bumping again.
Floyd told the French today he would not race in France this year and they said that was coolio with them, so he keeps his title, unless the US anti-doping body finds the samples as positive. This is probably unlikely as they could not bring down Armstrong. Now all he needs is a title like "Teflon Don".
I am going to stake a claim to he did not dope. Call me a fool, I believe Lance did, not Floyd.
Floyd told the French today he would not race in France this year and they said that was coolio with them, so he keeps his title, unless the US anti-doping body finds the samples as positive. This is probably unlikely as they could not bring down Armstrong. Now all he needs is a title like "Teflon Don".
I am going to stake a claim to he did not dope. Call me a fool, I believe Lance did, not Floyd.
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immortalis
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taste-icles said:
Thats weak.... to take the word of a normal fuckstick who came out of nowhere to win the Tour, but to slam a proven champion that hasnt had so much as a blemish on his drug-record and who also has legitimate reasons why his body composition is the way it is which results in him being able to ride a bike like the fuckin ghostrider.
Any Armstrong hater is nothing but that in my opinion... a hater.
My Landis theory,
It was a hail mary! He took some of everything on the table due to his frustration over the previous days performance and just happened to shoot a bit too much test or not enough epitest.
Pro cyclists are on top of their game when it comes to drugs. They know how to get away with everything! And we all know that test isn't going to improve cycling performance overnight. I'm sure he had atleast a few other drugs in his system at the time.
He just should have practiced his steroid denial speech.
I don't feel sorry for him, but I do still greatly admire him.
Can't wait for the next tour!!!!!!!!!!! And Dick pound should be shot!
It was a hail mary! He took some of everything on the table due to his frustration over the previous days performance and just happened to shoot a bit too much test or not enough epitest.
Pro cyclists are on top of their game when it comes to drugs. They know how to get away with everything! And we all know that test isn't going to improve cycling performance overnight. I'm sure he had atleast a few other drugs in his system at the time.
He just should have practiced his steroid denial speech.
I don't feel sorry for him, but I do still greatly admire him.
Can't wait for the next tour!!!!!!!!!!! And Dick pound should be shot!
taste-icles
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I knew Lance in the late 80's-early90's. I will say I am very impressed with the ability, juice or not as I once was a serious rider as well. I also know that Floyd being on Lance's team had orders to hold back. The basic Scotty Pippen routine.immortalis said:Thats weak.... to take the word of a normal fuckstick who came out of nowhere to win the Tour, but to slam a proven champion that hasnt had so much as a blemish on his drug-record and who also has legitimate reasons why his body composition is the way it is which results in him being able to ride a bike like the fuckin ghostrider.
Any Armstrong hater is nothing but that in my opinion... a hater.
Floyd never had a mark on his record before, and in the past, there have been winners that have come from nowhere. Ulrich was a solid rider, but many believed not that caliber when he took off. Fignon was a solid classics rider (Milan-San Remo, Paris-Roubaix), look at his victory.
This is my main sport. I have always loved it and with or without these scandals, I'll still be roadside in a few stages this year (under that dark cloud) wondering what my life could have been if I stayed in the sport and supporting people I knew and the legends yet to be made.
taste-icles
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NO NO NO, you are forgetting some other legends: Fignon, Sean Kelly, LEMOND!!!, Jalabert, Chiappucci, Pantani and Bugno. Do I need to mention the "Lion King" ???anthrax said:
taste-icles
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Cipo set a tour speed record. Bugno and Chiapet were great mountain climbers. Jalabert was a contender for a long time. Too bad Axle was never as good as his namesake "The Cannibal".anthrax said:
Glad someone else here actually knows these names
And Sean Kelly, you can't forget "that incident". So he was an honorable mention.
This year no Alpes D'Huez
I personally love the classics just as much, Ghent-Wevelgem, Paris-Roubaix, Milan-San Remo, Tour of Flanders...
This is why I love non tested Body Building/NPC shows. We are all on juice and may the best man win . There is no finger pointing on who is on sauce and who isnt, we all are on, so bring your A Game and leave your excuses at the door !
taste-icles
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agreed, Miguel lived up to the name Big Mig, and his rest heartrate was something insane, coupled with that huge inseam, and like damn! His inseam was supposed to be like 39 while mine is only 35.5. The guy was just built for this sport. Bjarne, yeah he was as clean as they get. Great personality too.drz said:
taste-icles said:Cipo set a tour speed record. Bugno and Chiapet were great mountain climbers. Jalabert was a contender for a long time. Too bad Axle was never as good as his namesake "The Cannibal".
Glad someone else here actually knows these names
And Sean Kelly, you can't forget "that incident". So he was an honorable mention.
This year no Alpes D'Huez
I personally love the classics just as much, Ghent-Wevelgem, Paris-Roubaix, Milan-San Remo, Tour of Flanders...
Stage 9 should be interesting
