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[Mr. Troy]

Hello to all. This is my first post and i love this site and respect everyone's opinion. I am 24 years old, i have been working out for 9 years. currently i am 6'1" 193lbs. I have some stubborn belly fat that i am having a hell of a time getting rid of. I also have some little love handles.

What would you reccommend as a good first cycle. I want as little bloat as possible. My overall goals are to eventually be around 185 - 190 but ver very lean.

I was thinking since it is my first cycle to just use test.

i am unsure as to how much test i should take and how often i should take it. i assume a 10 week cycle should help me get stronger and bigger muscles obviously and with a strict diet help me cut up nicely.

Thank you all very much for your help.

Troy

 

[Lupercal CATS]

Hello to all. This is my first post and i love this site and respect everyone's opinion. I am 24 years old, i have been working out for 9 years. currently i am 6'1" 193lbs. I have some stubborn belly fat that i am having a hell of a time getting rid of. I also have some little love handles.

What would you reccommend as a good first cycle. I want as little bloat as possible. My overall goals are to eventually be around 185 - 190 but ver very lean.

I was thinking since it is my first cycle to just use test.

i am unsure as to how much test i should take and how often i should take it. i assume a 10 week cycle should help me get stronger and bigger muscles obviously and with a strict diet help me cut up nicely.

Thank you all very much for your help.

Troy

Wow a good first post. Karma for not being a dumb shit.

I would recommend 500mg a week test. You could add different other comounds depending on if you want to bulk or cut. For example:
Bulker:
500mg test 1-10 weeks
30mg dbol ED 1-4

Cutter:
500mg test 1-10 weeks
winny 50mg ED 6-10

Not to insult your intelligence but FYI ED means everyday, that took me some time to figure out.

Just remember that diet and training and sleep are key.

 

[Beachbum1546]

Test only try something like:

500mgs/week of test enanthate

or

500mgs/week of test cypionate (spelling?)

the enan cycle wouldn't kick in till about week 4 but with the multi-estered cyp that would kick in much faster so it might be the way to go with no other jumpstart. I'm not the most knowledgable person about this so don't take my word as law.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

Test only try something like:

500mgs/week of test enanthate

or

500mgs/week of test cypionate (spelling?)

the enan cycle wouldn't kick in till about week 4 but with the multi-estered cyp that would kick in much faster so it might be the way to go with no other jumpstart. I'm not the most knowledgable person about this so don't take my word as law.

Cypionate isn't multiestered. It is nearly identically to enanthate.

Edit: How did I lose 2000 karma?

 

[Mr. Troy]

thanks guys. that sure was quick. i have dabled in prohormones and seen decent results from that. but im tired of playing in the minors (in terms of supplements) and im ready to play with the big dogs. i of course would take this very seriously and diet as close to perfect as possible and try and get 8 hours but with grad school and working full time, that might be a bit hard. I am somewhat happy with my size. if i could get a little bit bigger that would be great but my main goal is to get crazy cut. i know diet is the most important factor in cutting. but i want to use the test as a means to help me get a little more muscle but at the very least maintain what i have.

what size needles do i need to get. and were you saying i need to inject everyday!!! yikes!

 

[Lupercal CATS]

thanks guys. that sure was quick. i have dabled in prohormones and seen decent results from that. but im tired of playing in the minors (in terms of supplements) and im ready to play with the big dogs. i of course would take this very seriously and diet as close to perfect as possible and try and get 8 hours but with grad school and working full time, that might be a bit hard. I am somewhat happy with my size. if i could get a little bit bigger that would be great but my main goal is to get crazy cut. i know diet is the most important factor in cutting. but i want to use the test as a means to help me get a little more muscle but at the very least maintain what i have.

what size needles do i need to get. and were you saying i need to inject everyday!!! yikes!

Nope, not injecting everyday. The dianabol and winstrol can both be taken orally. You could inject them but don't bother. The test you will inject 2 times a week (m and thurs). I prefer quad injections. Make sure you read up on www.spotinjections.com and to hit the OUTER quad. You may prefer glute injections, I can't help you there.

Get your needles from www.getpinz.com Get about 50 20 gauge Terumos with the 3cc syringe attached, and also some 25guage Terumo needles. Using a 20 gauge needle makes the test ALOT easier to draw up. Then switch to the 25 and inject.

If you want to cut the test will help you maintain your muscle mass while you lose the fat. The winstrol will help to add a little strength and make you look harder.

 

[Mr. Troy]

so i should inject test twice a week for 10 weeks (how much per injection ?) and then towards the end of that cycle i should take winstrol orally ? how many weeks should i take winstrol for ?

and i really do appreciate everyone taking the time to help me.

 

[Bruce]

250 per injection, so if you have test 250 do a cc monday and thursday. do winstrol the last 5 weeks of the cycle, on my first cycle i finished with winny weeks 9-13. i would prefer var now because winny kills your joints but the results are still great. yea get winny pills no need to inject it, if you can afford var i would go towards that for you. especially since var will curb your appetite a bit and allow you to add muscle without a bulk of calories.

 

[Mr. Troy]

ok great suggestions guys. with just test and then either winny or var will i get much bloat

i am REALLY trying to stay away from any bloat
and you cant really get gyno with just test can you ?

 

[Lupercal CATS]

250 per injection, so if you have test 250 do a cc monday and thursday. do winstrol the last 5 weeks of the cycle, on my first cycle i finished with winny weeks 9-13. i would prefer var now because winny kills your joints but the results are still great. yea get winny pills no need to inject it, if you can afford var i would go towards that for you. especially since var will curb your appetite a bit and allow you to add muscle without a bulk of calories.

Bump.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

ok great suggestions guys. with just test and then either winny or var will i get much bloat

i am REALLY trying to stay away from any bloat
and you cant really get gyno with just test can you ?

Yes you can get gyno with test.

Get some arimidex to get rid of the bloat. About .25-.5mgs eod or e3ds will help to keep it away. I used 1mg because it was in a cap so i would use it about e4 or 5d.

Always have some nolvadex on hand incase of gyno, the arimidex should help to prevent some gyno.

Check out the PCT forum.

It's bed time for me tonight, happy hunting.

 

[Mr. Troy]

i have to get up at 5 am for work tomorrow so i will get on when i get home to see what else you guys have to add. Thank you to all. i really appreciate the help. i really want to acheive my goals and i thank you for helping me.


Troy

 

[asianlover]

ok great suggestions guys. with just test and then either winny or var will i get much bloat

i am REALLY trying to stay away from any bloat
and you cant really get gyno with just test can you ?

yes you can get gyno from just test. if you want to reduce bloat run .5mg eod of adex or liquidex. i am taking that plus 10mg ed of nolva to prevent gyno. no bloat yet and im of test/dbol.

 

[Mr. Troy]

ok so only take the noladex if i start to notice gyno.

 

[Bruce]

yes

 

[asianlover]

just do this

500mg test/wk wks 1-10 (either sust, enth, or cyp)
30mg dbol/day wks 1-4

run some adex through out to minimize bloat and have nolva on hand incase u get gyno. i take it everyday but i am kinda gyno proned and dont want to take any chances. inject the test 250mg 2x/wk. like 1 shot monday and 1 shot thursday. take the dbol in 3 doses throughout the day. take some livber supps like milkthisle,liv 52, or tylers liver detox while you are using the dbol. do you know about PCT?

 

[Beachbum1546]

Cypionate isn't multiestered. It is nearly identically to enanthate.

Edit: How did I lose 2000 karma?

my bad, i meant sustanon

 

[bluehen]

mr.troy welcome! Looks like you are getting the info you need good luck with your cycle. You may want to use 23g inch and a half for glutes. THe 25g will be fine for the quad's or delts.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

mr.troy welcome! Looks like you are getting the info you need good luck with your cycle. You may want to use 23g inch and a half for glutes. THe 25g will be fine for the quad's or delts.

Go with the quads or delts, glutes are the devil.

 

[Mr. Troy]

thanks everyone! so i should do clomid after week 10 right ?

i think im gonna go with test e 250 twice a week, oral var starting in week 5, some noladex throughout and liqiudex too to minimize bloat.

thanks again everyone !

 

[chefbone]

Hello to all. This is my first post and i love this site and respect everyone's opinion. I am 24 years old, i have been working out for 9 years. currently i am 6'1" 193lbs. I have some stubborn belly fat that i am having a hell of a time getting rid of. I also have some little love handles.

What would you reccommend as a good first cycle. I want as little bloat as possible. My overall goals are to eventually be around 185 - 190 but ver very lean.

I was thinking since it is my first cycle to just use test.

i am unsure as to how much test i should take and how often i should take it. i assume a 10 week cycle should help me get stronger and bigger muscles obviously and with a strict diet help me cut up nicely.

Thank you all very much for your help.

Troy

Doing a cycle will not rid you of your love handles and gut. Is this your main concern? It sounds like it is. Check out the AF store. They are a board sponsor and have great supps. Some are topical to help out with spot reduction. Maybe you should do that before you jump to the Dark Side.

 

[temetrepo]

For what is worth I will tell you what I did:
10weeks
sustanon 250 2x per week
arimidex throught the 10 weeks (bloat + gyno)
Clomid after finishing
Clean diet (Not going to an extreme here. Intake enough protein especially from real food at small amounts, drank about 1 gal of water per day. Did not drink alcohol during cycle)
cardio 3x per week (light for about 1/2 hour dont like running anyway)
Results= lean, stronger (after week 3 cycle), learned a lot about how I react to test, conquered fear of injecting(didnt even hurt), improved in my diet overall, was very focued at all times.

Would I do another one, dont know.

 

[das79]

what is the going price for test? People always tell me that "the real stuff" is cheaper than the prohormones they sell at fitness stores.

 

[bluehen]

what is the going price for test? People always tell me that "the real stuff" is cheaper than the prohormones they sell at fitness stores.

Read the rules, no talking prices on this subject.

 

[das79]

Sorry, I didnt know. Wont happen again.

 

[bluehen]

Sorry, I didnt know. Wont happen again.

No prob just trying to keep you out of trouble.

 

[mhb3939]

SO, can anyone help me with a prov ??....

Is added prov to a winny cycle helpful???
for the libido and/or gyno??

10/20/50mg ed??
Start/stop with winny??

Start PCT of clomid the day after last tab even with prov???