First time Test- E cycle.

[napowell22]

23 years old, 5'8" about 170 on a good day. Been training since I was 15 and am actually in school for kinesiology so I know how to exercise properly. I have been researching testosterone cycles for the past couple of months because my test levels came back right around 330. My cycle will be 12 weeks, 500mg/week of test e. Have HCG, Nolva, and Clomid for PCT and gyno prevention if needed. Didnt know the best routine to add those to my cycle? Any thoughts?

 

[bonacris]

Hcg isn't used in Pct.. its used on cycle to prevent shut down.. your PCT is weak and needs a lot more research.. you will feel like shit with that PCT.. what AI are you using on cycle?

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[bobby winn]

something like this maybe
The Cycle
1-12 test E 500mg/wk ( Inject 2 x Per Week ie; Mon/Thurs ) - This is ok!!!
1-15 Aromasin 12.5mg/EOD - ok as well, depend on sides of gyno you may increase the dose or maybe get into letro
1-15 Hcg

Pct
12-13 clomid 75mg/ed - 100mg first week/2nd 50/3rd 50/4th 50 ( 100/50/50/50 )
14-15 clomid 50mg/ed
12-13 Nolva 40mgs-ed
14-15 Nolva 20mgs-ed


I will leave this up to the pros on here to help with the rest

Light cycles and first and second timer's

A light cycle to me is a cycle with testosterone only, Anavar or Primo. Since I would never recommend any cycle without testosterone I will only provide timing for the different ester's of testosterone.

This is a PCT for guys that do not wish to play with HCG on their first cycle. Many many guys use only a SERM to recover form testosterone only cycles and recover rather quickly.

Testosterone propionate

5-7 days after last injection start SERM treatment.

Testosterone enanthate and cypionate.

14-21 days after your last injection start your SERM treatment.

Sustanon

21-30 days after your last injection start your SERM treatment.

Choices

#1 clomid 50mg every day for 4-6 weeks.

#2 Torimefine 30-60mg every day for 4-6 weeks.

#3 Nolva 40mg for 14 days and then 20mg for 14-28 more days.

#4 clomid and Nolva combo.
clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10

It is my opinion that everyone should run 25mg of Aromasin every day during there SERM treatment. Right from the beginning to the end. You do not have to do this.

As I said before every cycle will have one of the SERM treatments above. You will start your SERM treatment depending on the ester length of your testosterone. HCG will not have an impact on changing your SERM treatment. We will simply add HCG to our current protocols.

HCG for light cycles. Choose one of the following. #2 is best buts it not always practical for new guys.

#1 Use 500iu's of HCG every day for the 10 days leading up to 4 days before your SERM treatment.

#2 Use 500iu's a week of HCG for your entire cycle. Then use 500iu's every day for the 10 days leading up to 4 days before SERM treatment.

HCG for heavy cycles.

I consider any cycle with a progesterone, 3 or more compounds or any cycle that includes any compounds that are not in the light cycle category, a heavy cycle.

Use 1,000 iu's a week during the cycle. Do this for 5 consecutive weeks, take a week off and start again. If you get 5,000 iu bottles of HCG you will simply run 1,000iu's a week until the bottle is gone, then take a week off and start a new bottle. Do this the entire cycle.

Blast Phase Part 2 of HCG for heavy cycles. This phase should be ran in addition to the weekly dose during the heavy cycle.

Blast your HCG during the time period you are waiting for the suppressive compounds to leave your system. This is the time period starting the day after your last injection up until 4 days before SERM treatment. The blast Phase should consist of one of the following:

#1 500iu's every day.
#2 750iu's every day.
#3 1,000iu's every other day.
#4 1,500iu's every other day.

Since HCG directly stimulate's aromatization in the leydig cells some people can develop Gyno when taking high doses of HCG. You need to get a sense of how sensitive you are to HCG when determining how you want to run your blast phase. If you are sensitive start with every day dosing.

There are 3 reasons to run a blast phase of HCG

#1 To test the testicles to see if they are still able to produce testosterone at their maximum capacity. If they can not produce testosterone at their maximum capacity you have developed hypogonadism. It would be wise to get a blood test done during this time to see if the testicles are producing enough testosterone to get your testosterone levels within physiological range. If they are not, there is no point in SERM treatment at this time and more HCG is needed. When I say more, that may mean a higher dose for longer duration, or just a longer duration.

#2 By blasting during this time we are ensuring that our testosterone is within physiological range, thus attempting to prevent going catabolic.

#3 To stimulate the pituitary. This will provide the material the testes need to produce testosterone.

I hope I covered everything. This was meant to simplify the PCT process, in hopes that guys will understand its really not that complicated.


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[lithium1189]

Drop the nolva bro...

Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/ post cycle combo
Forma stanzol
Daa powder/powerchews

Do some research on all these compounds so you know what they're actually doing for you. There's a good sticky on this forum and the pct forum explaining proper pct.

 

[leatherface7]

I recently just posted about starting a new Test E cycle as well, and here is what we came up with:

W1-12 500mg test/week 250/monday and 250/thursday (You could take this down to a 10 week cycle if needed)
W3-12 Ldex 0.25mg EoD
W7-12 HCGenerate, 5x/day (Some suggest starting this as early as week 4)

PCT W 15-18
Unleashed/Post cycle combo as directed
Forma Stanazol 5 pumps 2x/daily
Clomid 25/25/25/25

Perhaps something there will help; perhaps not! Good luck bro

 

[notjake11]

I recently just posted about starting a new Test E cycle as well, and here is what we came up with:

W1-12 500mg test/week 250/monday and 250/thursday (You could take this down to a 10 week cycle if needed)
W3-12 Ldex 0.25mg EoD
W7-12 HCGenerate, 5x/day (Some suggest starting this as early as week 4)

PCT W 15-18
Unleashed/Post cycle combo as directed
Forma Stanazol 5 pumps 2x/daily
Clomid 25/25/25/25

Perhaps something there will help; perhaps not! Good luck bro

You should have 3g of daa per day in that pct as well.

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[napowell22]

I'm using Arimidex during my cycle 12.5 Ed or EOD of needed. I have hcg on hand for mid cycle 500iu weeks 5-10. I'm still working on my pct. any thoughts?

 

[NickA]

Arimidex is not used at 12.5mg ed or eod, but 0.5mg usually. You must be thinking of aromasin (exemestane) which is usually taken at 12.5 mg ed or eod.

A lot of good information about a proper PCT on the forum (a couple of good replies already with Unleased/Post cycle combo, Forma-Stanzol, daa powder). Read and research some more. I'm starting up my own cycle soon as well. I'm sure a few vets will chime in as well.

Good luck!

 

[joeblow12345]

23 years old, 5'8" about 170 on a good day. Been training since I was 15 and am actually in school for kinesiology so I know how to exercise properly. I have been researching testosterone cycles for the past couple of months because my test levels came back right around 330. My cycle will be 12 weeks, 500mg/week of test e. Have HCG, Nolva, and Clomid for PCT and gyno prevention if needed. Didnt know the best routine to add those to my cycle? Any thoughts?

Run it like so.

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-4 dbol 30 mg day(optional)
1-4 n2guard if you run dbol
1-12 adex 0.5 mg e3d or eod
6-10 hcgenerate
10-14 hcg 1000 ius week

Pct 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Post cycle/ unleashed
Forma
Daa

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[MrSinister]

If you're 5'8 and 170 after 5 years of training you need to learn how to eat. AAS isn't gonna do you any good.