First test-e/dbol cycle age 24. Finally done lurking!

[muscleaddiction]

that is absolutely ridiculous high... there is no need to exceed 25mg on clomid... if your that concerned maybe 50 the first few days but 100 is absoluty too high... with unleashed/post cycle there is absolutely no need to exceed 25 mg...

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I will have to agree with Dylan...if you can get results from low doses and with Unleashed/Post Cycle combo it will be sufficient by all means Keith.

 

[Keith1]

Alright guys whatever works for ya. I won't argue just throwing in my 2 cents.

 

[muscleaddiction]

Alright guys whatever works for ya. I won't argue just throwing in my 2 cents.

We are all good with ya bro...thanks for your input on the other as well brotha .

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[Keith1]

Good deal man

Anyway bro you will make really solid gains on this cycle. Glad u did your hw man

 

[stevesmi]

I'm 24 years old, been lifting since I was 19. I currently weigh 185lbs @ 5ft. 10in. around 12-14% body fat. I have been lurking (since 2010!!) and trying to soak up as much information as I can before purchasing or starting my first cycle. I lift M-F and take Sat and Sun off.

Current lifts are:
Bench: 305
Squat: 400
Deadlift: 435

Here is what I have planned for my cycle:

1-4: Dbol @ 40mg/ed drop to 30mg a day
1-12: Test-E @ 500mg/week good
1-12: Aromasin @ 12.5mg/eod good, could swap out for forma though, less drugs to ingest is a good thing

I will also be taking:

N2Guard weeks 1-12 good, if you wanted to save money run it 1-4 and then 8-12.
HCGenerate weeks 1-12 run it week 5-12 at 4-6 caps a day
HCG weeks 9-12 @ 1000iu/week do 5 injections of 1000iu's starting week 12 every 4 days.


My PCT:

Clomid: 25/12.5/12.5/12.5 good, you could even run clomid EOD start pct after you finish hcg
Unleashed/Post Cycle (follow directions on bottle) yes 1 bottle of each is ample.
Forma Stanzol: 5 pumps AM 5 pumps PM honestly with clomid and post cycle being run you don't need forma in PCT, save it for your cycle.

Then I will take BRIDGE once my pct is finished. yes and during pct and bridge up your carbs


Is the way I plan to use my HCG ok? I have seen people say to take it throughout the cycle, but I trust that HCGenerate is good enough for during cycle. Then I'll be taking real HCG for the last 4 weeks of my AAS? Or should I take HCG weeks 11,12,13,14 so for 2 weeks after my last test injection I am taking only HCG then after those 2 weeks I'll start taking my PCT products?? i answered these questions above.

Also, Unleashed/Post cycle are supposed to be taken the next day after your last injection, but don't I need to wait 2 weeks after my last injection before taking Clomid? take it with your clomid to give you a natty test boost


These are the last few things I need help figuring out!

I promised you in the PM i would look at your post. I have not read the rest of the thread so I'm sure you got your questions answered but a promise is a promise to give you my 2 cents which I BOLDED above.

 

[stevesmi]

I think your clomid doses are way to low
I would do
Week 1 and 2 100mg a day
Week 3 50mg
Week 4 25mg daily

I have been running the low dose clomid and its worked much better for me. clomid is notorious for giving horrible sides which you do not want during PCT. i have even started running it EOD instead of ED with much success.

surprised you run it 100mg a day for 2 weeks and don't notice negative sides.

 

[Keith1]

Ya I did notice some sides like being more emotional but it was definitely manageable.
That was it really sides wise. It's what I always ran for pct. Sometimes adding in igf to which I love!

Thats really interesting that low dose or eod worked well. Its something I never heard of. Do you have any before and after labs to compare by any chance. Im a lab work freak lol. I like to see how my body responds

 

[stevesmi]

Ya I did notice some sides like being more emotional but it was definitely manageable.
That was it really sides wise. It's what I always ran for pct. Sometimes adding in igf to which I love!

Thats really interesting that low dose or eod worked well. Its something I never heard of. Do you have any before and after labs to compare by any chance. Im a lab work freak lol. I like to see how my body responds

yes I have a tren log up from the end of last year with bloods. do a search and you will find it. don't have the link.

I am convinced running clomid at that 'low dose' is just as effective as running it at high doses plus you eliminate those sides you mentioned. you don't want to be emotional during PCT, pct you should feel good. the worst thing you can do is take something that will have any negative effect on your mind like that. low dose clomid you won't notice any sides and it will do its job very well. its a mind fuck already to notice your lifts dropping as the AAS clears out of the body, to add emotion stuff on top of it its no wonder many guys quit on the gym after cycle.. we want to stay hungry off cycle too.

i also believe as i've posted many times that what you do ON CYCLE will dictate how good recovery is OFF CYCLE. that includes keeping the nuts plump during, kickstarting your PCT, and of course keeping dosages and cycle length conservative. its interesting that since i've posted this type of pct its been passed on by many guys on here because they have tried it and it works beautifully. trust me my first couple cycles i did not recover good, i learned all this through trial and error... plus little tips from guys here and there until i found a strategy that works.

 

[Keith1]

Thanks for the reply man.
I will search for your log for sure.
You are very correct on how one should feel and that pct can be a tough road.

 

[muscleaddiction]

Steve nailed it! Why take excessive doses when a lower dose can give the same effect without side effects? To me it is like assessing your tolerance to something. When a psychologist puts a patient on medication, they will give what to start...low doses and increase if needed...makes sense. Unleashed/Post Cycle from my personal experience works great, and for my preference it is a more natural holistic approach.

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