First Cycle

[Botb]

Hi,

I am 24 and been lifting for the last 3 years, I have been following a good diet and have made good progress. I believe, it's time to take things to the next level and would want to start with my first cycle. My main goal with this would be to pack on muscle mass. What do you guys recommend? I would also like to know what kind of post-cycle therapy I should use with that

(Reading the articles here I am leaning towards Dianabol but would really like suggestions from you guys)

Really appreciate the help!

 

[bigorse]

test only first cycle or test with a dbol kick start.

pct 2 weeks after last test pin with nolva and clomid

 

[SayMilesAway]

Agree with the above. 500mg a week of test e is pretty standard.

 

[Botb]

Thanks for the above responses.
What kind of dosage for dbol and test e together is suggested?
If you could help me with the dosage for the PCT (nolva and clomid) that'll be great too.

 

[bigorse]

1-4 30mg of dbol ed
1-12 250mg of test e x2 a week

 

[bigorse]

clomid 50 50 25 25
nolva 40 40 20 20

 

[Botb]

1-4 30mg of dbol ed
1-12 250mg of test e x2 a week

Thanks for the responses.

Sorry, I am going to have a lot of questions (trying to get a good understanding) because I want to sure about a lot before I start

Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand,
12 weeks of Test E taking 250mg twice a week (thinking Mondays and Thursdays)
About dbol ed (what does ed stand for?) A little confused on the dosage
4 weeks, 30mg per week (so, 10mg thrice a week? Monday, Wednesday, Friday)

Do I need any AI for this cycle? Liver Support?

clomid 50 50 25 25 (means 50mg first week? then 50, 25, 25?)
nolva 40 40 20 20

 

[BigDog1BR]

Monday and Thursdays will be good for the test. I do Tuesday and Friday that way I can work legs on Monday if I have soreness from the injection it makes me want to skip legs or not go as hard. Just how I feel

Ed is everyday EOD would be every other day. so that's 30mg Ed if ur getting 10mg pills u can split it up even throughout the day or take 10 in the am and the other 20 about 2hrs before u workout.

You can take and AI if u want aromasin 10-12 mg eod should be fine.

Clomid 50 Ed week 1, 50ed week 2, 25 Ed week 3, 25ed week 4. Then nolva 40 40 20 20. Wait 2 weeks after last pin to start the clomid and nolva.

Keep doing your research and when you start listen to your body. Do your research on making the injection as well. Have you ever done an IM injection on your self? Or will you have someone that has doing them for you? There is a lot that goes into this make sure you r ready and aware of all the effects.

 

[bigorse]

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[Botb]

Monday and Thursdays will be good for the test. I do Tuesday and Friday that way I can work legs on Monday if I have soreness from the injection it makes me want to skip legs or not go as hard. Just how I feel

Ed is everyday EOD would be every other day. so that's 30mg Ed if ur getting 10mg pills u can split it up even throughout the day or take 10 in the am and the other 20 about 2hrs before u workout.

You can take and AI if u want aromasin 10-12 mg eod should be fine.

Clomid 50 Ed week 1, 50ed week 2, 25 Ed week 3, 25ed week 4. Then nolva 40 40 20 20. Wait 2 weeks after last pin to start the clomid and nolva.

Keep doing your research and when you start listen to your body. Do your research on making the injection as well. Have you ever done an IM injection on your self? Or will you have someone that has doing them for you? There is a lot that goes into this make sure you r ready and aware of all the effects.

Thanks, that clears up a lot.
I will be doing the IM injection myself, is there a good article on here I can read for it?

I have started looking up the products and have some confusion there in terms of what brand to go for etc. Is dbol the same as dianabol (methandienone)? Testosterone E250 as test e?

 

[BigDog1BR]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=836483

Check this one out also search YouTube videos and plenty of Google searches.

 

[Botb]

Check this one out also search YouTube videos and plenty of Google searches.

Thanks!
Anything about this?

I have started looking up the products and have some confusion there in terms of what brand to go for etc. Is dbol the same as dianabol (methandienone)? testosterone E250 as test e?

Another question I have is how should the Test E be stored (is there any temperature it should be kept at)?

 

[BigDog1BR]

Yes they r the same

The test should be kept at room temp 60-80°F away from light and heat. Do not put it in the fridge.

 

[Botb]

Yes they r the same

The test should be kept at room temp 60-80°F away from light and heat. Do not put it in the fridge.

Thanks, should I be changing the injection site every week (currently I feel glutes would be the easiest and would want to stick to it)?

 

[bgriffin989]

Yes I would rotate glutes. (Easiest for me) good luck

 

[Botb]

Thanks for the reply bgriffin989, by rotate glutes you mean rotate between glutes and thighs? Or something else?

Do I need HCG or (PES Erase) anything while on this cycle? I want to be safe than sorry
I take HCGenerate as a natural test booster, is it safe to continue it while on cycle?

 

[bgriffin989]

Thanks for the reply bgriffin989, by rotate glutes you mean rotate between glutes and thighs? Or something else?

Do I need HCG or (PES Erase) anything while on this cycle? I want to be safe than sorry
I take HCGenerate as a natural test booster, is it safe to continue it while on cycle?

I just rotate glutes. Unless it's test prop the. I use my glutes and quads. Quads can get pip (post injection pain) but once they get used to being injected it goes away. You can use hcg. 250iu Monday and Thursday. That should be sufficient. I always continue hcgenerate.