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First Cycle!!

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Nickkill13

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-Testosterone Propionate
Week 1-10 : 150mgs/EOD

-DBOL
Week 1-6 : 30-50mg/ED

-AI
Arimedex : Week 1-10 : .5/ED

Aromasin : Week 1-10 : 12.5mg/EOD

-PCT 3 DAYS AFTER LAST PIN

-PCT
Clomid
-Week 11: 50mgs/ED
-Week 12: 50mgs/ED
-Week 13: 25mgs/ED
-Week 14: 25mgs/ED

Nolvadex
-Week 11: 40mgs/ED
-Week 12: 40mgs/ED
-Week 13: 20mgs/ED
-Week 14: 20mgs/ED

Any advice? different doses? should I use 2 AI's and 2 PCT's or will I be fine with one? Please criticize and give me input if needed, this is my first cycle, I have done 2 prhormine stacks previously, on a PCT now from my last PH stack
 
drop one AI use aromasin or arimidex. you may find you dont even need one esp. once off dbol but good to have on hand. pct looks great but id wait about 4 days after last test p pin to start.
well thought out cycle, looks like youve done some reading before posting.
 
alright cool and thanks man, yeah I've been doing a lot of research, I'm not trying to mess my body up too bad or get gyno haha, thanks for replying
 
I'm doing prop for my first cycle because I read prop is 80% testosterone opposed to cyp and enthanate are 60% test, right now I'm 205lbs, 6 foot at 12.5%BF
 
Nickkill13 said:
-Testosterone Propionate

Week 1-10 : 150mgs/EOD



-DBOL

Week 1-6 : 30-50mg/ED



-AI

Arimedex : Week 1-10 : .5/ED



Aromasin : Week 1-10 : 12.5mg/EOD



-PCT 3 DAYS AFTER LAST PIN



-PCT

Clomid

-Week 11: 50mgs/ED

-Week 12: 50mgs/ED

-Week 13: 25mgs/ED

-Week 14: 25mgs/ED



Nolvadex

-Week 11: 40mgs/ED

-Week 12: 40mgs/ED

-Week 13: 20mgs/ED

-Week 14: 20mgs/ED



Any advice? different doses? should I use 2 AI's and 2 PCT's or will I be fine with one? Please criticize and give me input if needed, this is my first cycle, I have done 2 prhormine stacks previously, on a PCT now from my last PH stack
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Use your nolva during cycle and arimidex later so basically swap them. Your test levels are more stable on cycle as you are injecting test eod, it starts dropping as soon as you discontinue. I found arimidex to be more potent than nolva. So take advantage of the right drugs at the right time.

Not a bad cycle plan.. Too much test imo for a first cycle.. Save some for next cycle.

Test p for first cycle can make you hate injectable AAS and lean you towards more orals in the future. Plus first cycle and test p pip eod👎🏽

My personal favorite is test enan. Never let me down. Twice per week not much pip compared to test p.

Im glad you've done proper research. Now do some more research on how much test you actually need to put on quality muscle mass with minimum sides. Also find out how much test you actually produce per day at your age and you will realize that you dont really need that much test per week to grow. Also look up trt doses and results with slightly higher doses. It works perfectly..

Keep us updated.

Good luck ✌🏽️
 
Anabolic187 said:
Use your nolva during cycle and arimidex later so basically swap them. Your test levels are more stable on cycle as you are injecting test eod, it starts dropping as soon as you discontinue. I found arimidex to be more potent than nolva. So take advantage of the right drugs at the right time.

Not a bad cycle plan.. Too much test imo for a first cycle.. Save some for next cycle.

Test p for first cycle can make you hate injectable AAS and lean you towards more orals in the future. Plus first cycle and test p pip eod👎🏽

My personal favorite is test enan. Never let me down. Twice per week not much pip compared to test p.

Im glad you've done proper research. Now do some more research on how much test you actually need to put on quality muscle mass with minimum sides. Also find out how much test you actually produce per day at your age and you will realize that you dont really need that much test per week to grow. Also look up trt doses and results with slightly higher doses. It works perfectly..

Keep us updated.

Good luck ✌🏽️
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yeah test is a little on the high side. you could start lower and taper up as necessary, that is the good thing about test p is it will only take a week or so to "feel" adjusments in doses as oppose to longer esters.

as the others said longer esters are ussualy recomended for first cycles but you are also correct in that you get more test per mg from test p so if you dont mind pinning then i dont really see a problem with test p.
 
okay so I'll lower the test to 100mgs EOD and maybe go up eventually, I need to be on an AI while I'm on my cycle though, I was already starting to see early stages of gyno (puffy sensitive nips) when I was on my prohormone stack so now I'm always worried about gyno lol
 
Nickkill13 said:
okay so I'll lower the test to 100mgs EOD and maybe go up eventually, I need to be on an AI while I'm on my cycle though, I was already starting to see early stages of gyno (puffy sensitive nips) when I was on my prohormone stack so now I'm always worried about gyno lol
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Yes of course you have to its normal thats why i said use the nolva on cycle week 1-10 it will do the job and arimidex later when you stop the test as your test levels will drop and will notice more gyno/estro sides.

I think 20-30mg of dbols per day would do the job and you're still asking for trouble since you just said you noticed some gyno/estro sides. Safe better than sorry.

Sounds like you're going to use the dbols either way so take care and do it in moderation.

bigorse said:
yeah test is a little on the high side. you could start lower and taper up as necessary, that is the good thing about test p is it will only take a week or so to "feel" adjusments in doses as oppose to longer esters.



as the others said longer esters are ussualy recomended for first cycles but you are also correct in that you get more test per mg from test p so if you dont mind pinning then i dont really see a problem with test p.
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💯✔️☝🏽️ Nickkill13 take note
 
Test p for first cycle is not recommended

Ur pip is gonna suck balls and u might not even be able to train certian muscles !!

Need to stick to test e imo for first cycle


Don't get me wrong I love test p

It's all I run year round I pin eod and have been on Trt for years but not for virgin muscles

Really would re think ur test Ester

Also how old are ya ? Forgot that in stats
 
Honestly first cycle at ur stats u can get great gains in less than 500 mg
Imo save higher doses for when ur more advanced

But that's just from the years inhave been doing things

First cycle for me was 400 mg cyp and got good gains

I never run anything but test p now from my doc and blast every now and then with deca and var but

Seriously u don't need p first cycle


Plus ur prop is gonna be 100 mg per ml u wanted to do 1.5 ml to start 😂😂have fun with that pip new muscles with 1.5 ml of prop is gonna hurt ya bad

Even at 1 ml for a new guy is a lot

I'm used to prop never get pip but u have to work into that dose and Ester


There is a reason why test e is recommended first cycle
 
Stackinplates said:
Test p for first cycle is not recommended

Ur pip is gonna suck balls and u might not even be able to train certian muscles !!

Need to stick to test e imo for first cycle


Don't get me wrong I love test p

It's all I run year round I pin eod and have been on Trt for years but not for virgin muscles

Really would re think ur test Ester

Also how old are ya ? Forgot that in stats
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Stackinplates said:
Honestly first cycle at ur stats u can get great gains in less than 500 mg
Imo save higher doses for when ur more advanced

But that's just from the years inhave been doing things

First cycle for me was 400 mg cyp and got good gains

I never run anything but test p now from my doc and blast every now and then with deca and var but

Seriously u don't need p first cycle


Plus ur prop is gonna be 100 mg per ml u wanted to do 1.5 ml to start 😂😂have fun with that pip new muscles with 1.5 ml of prop is gonna hurt ya bad

Even at 1 ml for a new guy is a lot

I'm used to prop never get pip but u have to work into that dose and Ester


There is a reason why test e is recommended first cycle
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Agreed 💯 experience talks 👍🏽

And yes Nickkill13 you forgot your age i was thinking that too.. Forgot to ask..
 
I love test p too personally but prefer test e because i have to jab myself less times per week plus it gives me more space/injection sites to add more injectables into my cycle for example tren masteron eq winny primo etc most test p comes in 100mg per ml which can make you realise you are running out of injection sites when your jab day is due.. Let alone pip from test p..

Its different on paper when you do your research on AAS forums/google etc and more realistic when you withdraw from vial/amp and about to jab all that oil and water based drugs into yourself in one day, eod, every week..

You will only realize then what we are on about..

Good luck

✌🏽️
 
Anabolic187 said:
I love test p too personally but prefer test e because i have to jab myself less times per week plus it gives me more space/injection sites to add more injectables into my cycle for example tren masteron eq winny primo etc most test p comes in 100mg per ml which can make you realise you are running out of injection sites when your jab day is due.. Let alone pip from test p..

Its different on paper when you do your research on AAS forums/google etc and more realistic when you withdraw from vial/amp and about to jab all that oil and water based drugs into yourself in one day, eod, every week..

You will only realize then what we are on about..

Good luck

✌🏽️
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i kick started my first cycle of test e with test p and pinned everyday for the first 3 weeks. some people can take the pinning others cant. test p does tend to pip more than longer esters aswell however this is very lab dependant. i noticed a huge differences in pip from the 2 labs i use.

as said by stacking and anabolic though test e/c is ideal for a first cycle.
 
bigorse said:
i kick started my first cycle of test e with test p and pinned everyday for the first 3 weeks. some people can take the pinning others cant. test p does tend to pip more than longer esters aswell however this is very lab dependant. i noticed a huge differences in pip from the 2 labs i use.

as said by stacking and anabolic though test e/c is ideal for a first cycle.
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Well said bro ✔️✔️
 
Nickkill13 said:
my minds pretty set on using dbol too, I'm a little stubborn lol
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if your mind is set with your cycle then go for it. i think your cycle is fine, you may run into issues with injections with test p but other than that i cant see anything overly wrong.
 
Nickkill13 said:
my minds pretty set on using dbol too, I'm a little stubborn lol
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Since you are gyno prone, would suggest not using dbol.
I have used test e, npp, test p, var and eq with no issue until dbol which give me pea-sized lumps....so do consider since its your first cycle.
 
monk32 said:
Since you are gyno prone, would suggest not using dbol.
I have used test e, npp, test p, var and eq with no issue until dbol which give me pea-sized lumps....so do consider since its your first cycle.
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Dbols and Abombs do that to me too thats why i avoid them 💯

✌🏽️
 
I think I'll be okay, not saying anything any of you guys said is wrong I appreciate everyone's input but pinning myself isn't ting to bother me, that stuff never does, I'll be able to do it, only thing I need to get is an on cycle support for the dbol, any recommendations for that?
 
Nickkill13 said:
I think I'll be okay, not saying anything any of you guys said is wrong I appreciate everyone's input but pinning myself isn't ting to bother me, that stuff never does, I'll be able to do it, only thing I need to get is an on cycle support for the dbol, any recommendations for that?
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Use your AI's bro and if you still notice sides cut down on the dose and if you still experience gyno/estro sides quit the dbols..

Keep us updated.

✌🏽️
 
alright man thanks, I should be starting the cycle the end of this month, I'm going to get my blood work done before and I'll keep everyone updated! thanks for everyone's help!!!
 
To be fair, I'm on week 4 of my first cycle and have been pinning prop ed. Yeah the first couple of weeks is hell and you're walking around with crippling dead legs, but once you get past that it really ain't so bad.

I'd suggest rotating left glute/ right glute, left quad/ right quad, and make sure you put your leg day on the day you do the first of your quad pins. The pain is manageable.

I've been having to use nolva daily whilst on dbol because of some nice sensitive nips.

I've done a pretty darn short and intense first cycle due to having specific goals concerning weight categories etc. been running 100mg prop ed and the last two weeks I've smashed 40mg dbol ed. Gone up a good 10lb over the last 3/4 weeks and hope to have another 3lb to go before I stop. Hoping to keep 6lbs after pct and will be using creatine again so may gain 2lb or so of water weight back.

Keep us updated of your progress man.
 
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We still got no age ? Feeling like we have a teen on our hands 😳

Just saying



My brow have lots of good points
And dbol for ur situation seems risky

But if ur dead set on it ur gonna do what ur gonna do

Then we will see ya posting in 6 weeks what to do about ur gyno


Trust the experience
Like stated above reading is way diff than when u try it!

Things come up ... And not all the time are ya prepared for it
 
Stackinplates said:
We still got no age ? Feeling like we have a teen on our hands 😳

Just saying



My brow have lots of good points
And dbol for ur situation seems risky

But if ur dead set on it ur gonna do what ur gonna do

Then we will see ya posting in 6 weeks what to do about ur gyno


Trust the experience
Like stated above reading is way diff than when u try it!

Things come up ... And not all the time are ya prepared for it
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Its highly possible we have someone below 21 since hes still not giving any age.
There's a reason why the first cycle is advised to be just test e...
 
Stackinplates said:
We still got no age ? Feeling like we have a teen on our hands 😳

Just saying



My brow have lots of good points
And dbol for ur situation seems risky

But if ur dead set on it ur gonna do what ur gonna do

Then we will see ya posting in 6 weeks what to do about ur gyno


Trust the experience
Like stated above reading is way diff than when u try it!

Things come up ... And not all the time are ya prepared for it
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👍🏽

monk32 said:
Its highly possible we have someone below 21 since hes still not giving any age.
There's a reason why the first cycle is advised to be just test e...
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Possible..
 
Unless you are used to giving yourself IM injections, for a first cycle I think you'd be happier running test e 500mg/wk in 2 doses.

Only need 1 AI. And I would run AI thru the whole cycle and thru pct as well. Dbol aromatizes quite a bit. On test alone I personally don't need much AI. Here is where you will need to experiment with dosages that fit u.

First few days of pct, I wouldn't be afraid to do clomid like 150/100/100.

Consider subq hcg as well.

Otherwise, on the right track for sure.
 
Still say prop isn't the worst thing in the world for a first cycle provided you can put up with hobbling about with dead ass legs... I have to use it due to detection time advantages of short esters.... Good in that you don't have to wait weeks and weeks for gains too....
 
I'm pretty set on the dbol, everyone's saying I'm going to get gyno well there has t be a correct way to do dbol without getting gyno correct??? and I'm 20, turning 21 the end of the month, let's not focus on my age though, I don't wanna hear not to do it bla bla bla, I'm doing it regardless so I don't need the speech lol, I've been getting speeches for the past year about me doing stuff, I done 2 prohormone stacks previously, one being 10mg Trenavar, 15mg Hexadrone, 4.5mg Methlystenbolone, 25mg Max LMG daily and the other 20mg Trenavar, 15mg Epistane, 100mg Hexadrone daily
 
Ur right im not gonna focus on ur age cuz I don't give help to guys under 25 only under rare occasion

Hope ya get some good feedback
 
I don't agree with you have to be 25, regardless of age cycling is always a risk and you can get side effects, yeah under 25 you can get more side effects and more of a risk because you can mess up you endocrine system but I know all the risks, I know what I'm getting into, if you guys don't wanna help me because of age that's fine but I don't agree
 
Nickkill13 said:
I don't agree with you have to be 25, regardless of age cycling is always a risk and you can get side effects, yeah under 25 you can get more side effects and more of a risk because you can mess up you endocrine system but I know all the risks, I know what I'm getting into, if you guys don't wanna help me because of age that's fine but I don't agree
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We still helped you regardless of your age.. Just doesn't feel right giving advice on AAS to someone so young.

Can cause more harm than good.

Take care of your health bro. Hope everything works out well for you.

Good luck
✌🏽️
 
hi nickkill13' i have just finished a cycle of d'boll and i got good gans of it 5'weeks and onlay lost 20% of my gans so its up to u lad.going to do a cycle of t'bol next.6'weeks.cycle'
 
dalyboy said:
hi nickkill13' i have just finished a cycle of d'boll and i got good gans of it 5'weeks and onlay lost 20% of my gans so its up to u lad.going to do a cycle of t'bol next.6'weeks.cycle'
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dont be one of those oral only guys please
 
that's good dalyboy but you would probably keep more of your gains and have a lot better of a cycle if you had a base like test e,c or p, I would do that, like I said this will be my first cycle and I'm doing test p and dbol, I mainly picked test p because it's 20% more test than e or c, only downside is EOD pinning but I'll get thru, I'm excited, I know it will go well regardless of what half the people on here say about me being 20, how old are you dalyboy
 
You won't see any better results booting prop more than twice a week. If this is your first cycle drop the dbol to 25.

A cycle this light and short you don't need clomid or anything afterwards.
 
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