First Cycle !!!!

[mohit261109]

Hey guys,
Im considering Test E for my First cyle but in the back of my head im also thinking of Winny at the end of the cycle.Im aiming for a Bulk cycle but want lean gains with minimum fat.I know diet will decide whether a cycle would be bulk or cut but using Winny at end of the cycle for around 5 weeks will provide any noticeable difference like increase in hardness and vascularity ??? Just want some opinions!!!

cycle would be like..

Test E- 10 weeks-500 mg- 250 mg*2-Mon and Thursday

Proviron- 2 to 10 week- 50 mg daily-split in am & pm (in doubt whether to include it or not for SHBG binding puspose and more free test.)

Winny- 8 to 12 week-50 mg daily

Arimidex-.25 mg eod for whole cycle.(whether to use it from the start or take it when some water retention noticed as im already taking proviron it would help in estrogen dept.)

HCG- 8 to 12 week 500 iu/week split into two dosages.(250 iu mon & 250 iu thursday.Confused whether to blast it after the cycle and before PCT or not.)

Liv 52 and milk thistle for the whole cycle.
Multi Vitamins.

PCT

WEEK 13-16
CLOMID-25/25/25/25 for four weeks
DAA POWDER
PURE TRIBULUS

Whether to add Aromasin or Arimidex in my PCT ???

So guys tell what are the changes you suggest or to add anything in my PCT.

Age-24 (25 in 2 month)
Weight- 175 lbs
height- 175 cm
body fat- 13 %
training period- 4.5 years.
clean diet with lots of veggies and lean meat.
Thanks.

 

[mohit261109]

Bump

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey guys,
Im considering Test E for my First cyle but in the back of my head im also thinking of Winny at the end of the cycle.Im aiming for a Bulk cycle but want lean gains with minimum fat.I know diet will decide whether a cycle would be bulk or cut but using Winny at end of the cycle for around 5 weeks will provide any noticeable difference like increase in hardness and vascularity ??? Just want some opinions!!!

cycle would be like..

Test E- 10 weeks-500 mg- 250 mg*2-Mon and Thursday

Proviron- 2 to 10 week- 50 mg daily-split in am & pm (in doubt whether to include it or not for SHBG binding puspose and more free test.)

Winny- 8 to 12 week-50 mg daily

Arimidex-.25 mg eod for whole cycle.(whether to use it from the start or take it when some water retention noticed as im already taking proviron it would help in estrogen dept.)

HCG- 8 to 12 week 500 iu/week split into two dosages.(250 iu mon & 250 iu thursday.Confused whether to blast it after the cycle and before PCT or not.)

Liv 52 and milk thistle for the whole cycle.
Multi Vitamins.

PCT

WEEK 13-16
CLOMID-25/25/25/25 for four weeks
DAA POWDER
PURE TRIBULUS

Whether to add Aromasin or Arimidex in my PCT ???

So guys tell what are the changes you suggest or to add anything in my PCT.

Age-24 (25 in 2 month)
Weight- 175 lbs
height- 175 cm
body fat- 13 %
training period- 4.5 years.
clean diet with lots of veggies and lean meat.
Thanks.

I am going to lay it all out for you bro... I love winstrol and it is the perfect finisher for a cycle... You ABSOLUTELY need n2guard with winstrol... It is very toxic and you need to protect yourself... You should also be using hcgenerate ES on cycle before converting to hcg... There really is no need to dose 500 mg of test... You can, but you can get huge gains with less sides at 350mg... Here is what I would recommend for you...

1-10 test e 350 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
5-10 hcgenerate ES ntbm.com
11-12 hcg 1000 ius week
7-12 winstrol 50 mg day
7-12 n2guard ntbm.com

pct 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
unleahsed/post cycle combo n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com


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ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Phytoserms and HCGenerate
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[-SD-]

I was going to suggest for a first cycle just test and nothing else except hcg.
In order to gauge how your body reacts without other variables. I wouldnt even run AI either because you dont know if you even need it or not since its first cycle. No need to make things more complicated than it needs to be for a first timer.

 

[mohit261109]

So ur saying I should only do Test for my first cycle......but wouldn't I get the hang of Test till week 7......how my body reacts to it, side effects and all......
I was hoping in the end of cycle using Winstrol will provide some hardness and vascularity.....

And u saying I shldnt use AI from the start of my cycle......but how will I know that Estrogen is high......what are the signs I should look for ??

Wat about Proviron......I was thinking of using it for lowering SHBG ......so is it a good idea to use it in my cycle or not ??

Thank you guys for replying and directing me in the right direction.

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[-SD-]

Its your first cycle so you want to judge how you react to *just* testosterone. Get bloodwork done in the middle of the cycle to see where everything stands. Estrogen will be high but if you arent gaining a lot of water weight so what. Estrogen is needed for good cholesterol values and libido. If you go through this first cycle with just test you will be able to judge exactly what it does to you by itself. If you gain alot of water so be it, you will know that how your body reacts and can adjust for next time.

 

[zedhed]

Dam I cannot believe the quality of the info available here. My hats off to both Dylan and SD.
OP you have everything you need right here.

 

[dylangemelli]

I see no problem at all running one oral on a first cycle, especially when its on the back end... You have plenty of time to gauge your reaction to test at that point... You can do what you want in terms of an AI but I never run a cycle without it... I am more preventative and like to avoid any possible problems... It does not complicate the cycle in any way...

 

[theolderman]

Really good info SD and Dylan...doing research now ... Putting it together seems to be go slow with TST to start...can I email either of you guys? Over 50 here and looking to start cycle and guys know your shit. Thanks

 

[canslopitchdude]

I'd run the test e for 15 weeks first 5 could add low dose of an oral. Like dbol or something then last 5 winni. I run 60mg dbol and 75mg winni and 500mg test with no need for an ai. Had it on hand incase but didn't notice any negative sides until I tried decca.