First Cycle

[wjozz5]

I will soon be startingy first cycle. I am 43, 216 lbs and 5'6". I am currently about 20% body fat. I have been lifting on and off for over 20 years. My cycle will consist of all prescription gear. I am looking at 400mg testosterone cypionate per week. 6iu of HGH per week and 40mg oxandrolone (anavar) per day. I currently use Cyclops Dex as an aromatase inhibitor. It does work. I get blood work done every other week and my estradoil levels have gone down while my free testosterone has gone up. Anyway, I am hoping to shed about 10% to 12% body fat and gain 10 to 15 lbs lean muscle.
Will this cycle be effective to attain my goal? Should I consider an additional anti estrogen? Does anyone have experience stacking these three compounds?


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[NegroPops]

to obtain those goals, your diet and training are going to be more important then the gear you run. I would hold off on doing a cycle until you get the body fat a tad bit lower.

 

[Jbranken]

You won't see any benefit from the HGH for several months as far as fat loss and anabolic nature goes, maybe up to 6 months in reality. you wont see a synergicstic effect between the hgh/aas starting them at the same time. I recommend dropping your bf with a good diet before using steroids. Using them before dropping weight will put unnecessary strain on your heart and organs. Steroids don't necessarily drop body fat IMHO. Some do more than others but its really dependent on a good diet which you couldn't possibly have at 20%. Drop the weight, create a healthy environment in your body, then take the leap. They do amazing things if you do it right!

 

[wjozz5]

I am not certain of my current body fat level. The 20% I used is from a digital scale that provides a body fat percentage based on impedence. It is grossly inaccurate but I have been using the same scale for the past 6 months to gauge my progress. I train one body group every seven days. My actual routine is very intense and has been very successful. Everyone has their opinion of a good routine so I won't go into detail with mine. My diet has not been an impediment to losing the body fat. Aside from a few vegetables my diet predominantly consists of moose, caribou, halibut, salmon and other assorted sea food.

A significant volume of medical studies have shown the efficiency of HGH and oxandrolone in reducing body fat. HGH does not produce results as fast as oxandrolone but it has been shown to be effective. I fully understand the effectiveness of each component of my stack when taken singularly and of HGH when combined with testosterone. I have yet to find data from studies combining all three. Most gear has a compounding affect when combined. So maybe my question should have been more direct. Does anyone have any information on the effectiveness of these components when stacked together?



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[Jbranken]

You live in Alaska or something? lol

There's a ton of people running test and hgh, just search google. Yes they can have synergistic effects but it would be best seen if the test and anavar were added in a few months down the road but that's not that important

Those digi scales are off but really be honest with yourself about your bf. I'd get it down into a more than healthy range before dabbling. What's the rush

 

[stevesmi]

put up a pic but unless you are built like a fucking freight train at that height there is no way you are anything less than 20% body fat and really i would guess you are closer to 25% IMO.

I am 13.5% body fat and I weight 200 at your height. so do the math. but like i said if you want a real answer post up a pic and we can tell you.

don't waste your money on that cycle.. you won't magically lose 10% body fat and gain mass.. var won't do a thing for you at that body fat except boost your strength. (if you were 10% body fat then yes it would probably help you shred up and add vascularity etc. but at 20-25% body fat you won't tell any difference and its a tremendous waste of money)

and like jb said you are also wasting money on GH at this point for little reward ... get your body fat to 15% or less and then you can talk about that cycle..

a first cycle should be 1 compound anyway, but a first cycle should also be when you have built a solid base and have your diet and training under control. unless you just want to waste money going nowhere fast

 

[joeblow12345]

I don't have any personal experience running hgh but I do research on it a lot as I plan on using it when I hit my mid 30's. From my research and talking to people who use, 6ius in a week isn't gonna do much for fat loss or muscle gain. From what I've seen the real noticeable fat loss comes around 4ius day and up. Usually much higher for muscle mass like 8 ius day. Now the older you are the better lower doses work, but I can't imagine 1 iu day to be that effective in your 40's. Other then improving sleep and some benefit to recovery, I don't feel it's worth it at 1iu day.I do have lots of experience with steroids and they definitely have a great synergistic effect when stacked. The test and var will definitely add muscle, strength, and speed recovery. In order to cut with them your diet has to be on point. Like it has been mentioned earlier, it's going to be more effective at lower bf. So my advice is to begin the hgh at 2 ius day and work on diet. When you get below 15% bf start the aas cycle. I also suggest you run the hgh at least 6 months to a year. And when your on the aas you may wanna increase the hgh a little to get more of a leaning effect. Like I said before 4-6 ius day seems to be where the fat loss shines. But everyone is different so start low and adjust as you see fit.

 

[goin on 4T]

Are you going to use real American gh or Chinese?
Either way 6iu's per day isn't going to do squat. You need to fix your diet and do cardio for a few months then worry about juice.

 

[wjozz5]

The HGH dosage should have read daily and not weekly. Each component is available to me by prescription. Thank you for the advice about diet. I didn't ask for that but it is understandable considering what I estimated my body fat to be. I am going to start the cycle April 1st. An abundance of clinical data exists to substantiate oxandrolone as an effective anabolic for body recomposition without exercise. My goal is to capitalize on that by making it a part of my routine. The HGH and testosterone have also been shown to have much the same affect but not as long lasting as the oxandrolone. Since I am fortunate enough to have great access to any and all medical care I need and have prescriptions for these components I am going to proceed.


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[stevesmi]

okay then good luck. i think you will be incredibly dissapointed with your results though, just being upfront with you. if var was so great without exercise then life would be simple and we wouldn't be busting our asses at the gym. no such thing as a magic pill although i wish there was!

you got advice on diet because that is the most important thing when trying to lose weight. but you go ahead and keep eating the way you are eating.. let us know how your progress goes. training 1 body part every 7 days isn't gonna lose you much weight either. its gonna take working out ED.. cardio should be done on a daily basis.