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First cycle with collagen synthesis in mind

MrSinister

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I was originally going to do a PH run this spring, but after some thinking and also some good luck finding a reliable local source I'm thinking of just doing an AAS run instead. I don't have anything set in stone, but I wanted to do a typical beginner test run with some var in the beginning and a little on the tail end as I was hoping to protect and strengthen my joints. I have some issues with my joints that I don't want to make worse and would actually like to help them as much as possible. Problem is the only var I can get, while human grade, is in 5mg tabs and I don't think I can get enough to even kick with, but I can get EQ and it also has very strong collagen synthesizing properties. I was thinking a lower test and moderate EQ dose as a first. I know two injects is usually a no-no for newbs, but I was hoping for some insight from some of the older vets.
 
post stats... i can tell you this... and you already answered your own question... you should not run eq as a first cycle...
 
41 years 190lbs, right now BF is down around 11% I'd guess. Just finished Osta and S-4 run. Currently in PCT on Dylan's protocol. Training around 20+ years. Just got back to PL type workouts about 2 years ago. Fought MMA before that so slightly different weight workouts back then. Also just started TB-500 loading 2 weeks ago.
Dylan, what would your protocol be, given my desire to really strengthen my connective tissue while on cycle? You've given me solid guidance before.
 
I found this info when I had my knee replacement surgery, here is a good write up.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood. I didn't know this!

primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, HGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
 
1-12 test e 350-500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
7-14 hcg 500 ius week or hcgenerate
9-14 anavar 60 mg day first four weeks then bump to 80 mg last 2 weeks
9-14 proviron 75 mg day
9-14 n2guard

pct week 15-18

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Unleashed/post cycle combo
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daa powerchews or powder

optional
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com[/FONT]
 
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