First cycle: Var, T-Bol, Sus 250

[BMW504]

My plan is this:
40mg Anavar ED split doses 8 hours apart (first few days 20-30mg)
40mg T-Bol ED split doses 8 hours apart (same)
250mg/week of Sustanon 250
Liv52
all for 8 weeks.
PCT: 50mg Clomid ED 4 weeks.

My stats:
Age 25
Weight 150lbs
Been working out 6 days a week for 9 months now.
Since I started exercising I have gone from a fat 177lbs to a lean and cut 150lbs. I believe I have done a good amount of research before making my plan, so let me say this: Yes, I know it is suggested that someone should not stack steroids on their first cycle. Yes, I understand that I should probably work out longer than 9 months before taking on this idea. Yes, I understand that I should change my diet and try to reach 170+ naturally before attempting this idea. Yes, I'm still doing this. Yes, I plan on changing my diet dramatically along with this cycle.

I have a very poor appetite which makes it hard for me to eat enough to gain much weight. I currently consume 200-250g a day of protein, but a large portion of that is from protein shakes and part of the idea behind this cycle is to increase my appetite enough to really pack on some pounds of muscle.

Enough though I have admitted that I am aware my plan might not be optimal according to common theories I am still open to suggestions now that I have decided to start my cycle and have prepared it. I have considered the risks and decided I am going to take them. If I have any real problems during my first cycle, I will immediately discontinue it. I plan on documenting my experiment and giving my thoughts on my experience, which should be interesting as I am admit-tingly making some common "mistakes" and other than the research I have done, as this is my first cycle, I really don't and can't know what I am getting into here until I get into it. For better or worse: here I go.

 

[zedhed]

Hey bro,
Gonna make a few suggestion below. Would like to see you follow up and will keep this dialog open.
How tall are you?
Please put up your workout.
PLease give us an idea of your diet.
What is your goal for this cycle?

My plan is this:
40mg Anavar ED split doses 8 hours apart (first few days 20-30mg)If you dont already have this I would forget it. Expensive and you not gonna get that much out of it.
40mg T-Bol ED split doses 8 hours apart (same)
250mg/week of Sustanon 250Up this to 500/week. 250 is just barley over HRT dose. In some cases that is an HRT dose.
Liv52good and smart move here bro!
all for 8 weeks.
PCT: 50mg Clomid ED 4 weeks. Go here and read this. Your PCT is weak bro!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...other-post-cycle-therapy-products-652986.html

My stats:
Age 25
Weight 150lbs
Been working out 6 days a week for 9 months now.
Since I started exercising I have gone from a fat 177lbs to a lean and cut 150lbs. I believe I have done a good amount of research before making my plan, so let me say this: Yes, I know it is suggested that someone should not stack steroids on their first cycle. Yes, I understand that I should probably work out longer than 9 months before taking on this idea. Yes, I understand that I should change my diet and try to reach 170+ naturally before attempting this idea. Yes, I'm still doing this. Yes, I plan on changing my diet dramatically along with this cycle.Ok, well at least your honest and appreciate that.

I have a very poor appetite which makes it hard for me to eat enough to gain much weight. I currently consume 200-250g a day of protein, but a large portion of that is from protein shakes and part of the idea behind this cycle is to increase my appetite enough to really pack on some pounds of muscle.

Enough though I have admitted that I am aware my plan might not be optimal according to common theories I am still open to suggestions now that I have decided to start my cycle and have prepared it. I have considered the risks and decided I am going to take them. If I have any real problems during my first cycle, I will immediately discontinue it. I plan on documenting my experiment and giving my thoughts on my experience, which should be interesting as I am admit-tingly making some common "mistakes" and other than the research I have done, as this is my first cycle, I really don't and can't know what I am getting into here until I get into it. For better or worse: here I go.

Ok bro, you are really not going all that dramatically off the path here. So dont get yourself all freaked out.
Many many of us did our first cycle with one to two orals and test as the base.
Keep posting up and plz respond to my questions.

 

[BMW504]

Today was my first day of 20mg of both Anavar and T-Bol for the entire day. Going to continue this for 3-4 days before I start 40mg ED and take my first shot of sus250.

I am 5'10"
My average work out session lasts about 1 1/2 - 2 hours.
I do biceps and triceps one day.
Then chest and shoulders the next.
Then back and legs the next.
Then I take a day off.
20-30 minutes of abs every other day.
and I try to get cardio in 3 times a week.

My diet plan is going to depend on my appetite increasing in this process. I am going to try to shoot for more real protein, as most of my protein right now comes from liquid shakes. I am going to try to eat 4-5 real meals a day, along with about 120g or more of protein shakes. I currently only eat about 2 decent meals a day (lunch and dinner) and use shakes to supplement protein. I plan to eat lean meats: chicken breasts, fish, turkey and "try" to pair them with healthy carbs. However, I plan on letting myself eat just about anything they serve at Dennys for breakfast as breakfast is a meal I generally skip or go very light on and am not very good at preparing it myself. I will be eating breakfast everyday on this cycle though.

I'll keep a list of how many meals, and what, I am able to consume along with how much extra protein I supplement on a regular basis. I'm not much of a nutritionist so my basic plan is to eat as much healthy protein and carbs as I possibly can, and I don't plan to count calories in my journal, or anywhere for that matter.

My goal is to gain 10-15 pounds of muscle in 2 months and to be able to keep 10+ of it for 3 months post cycle. I'd also like to avoid gaining so much in a short time that people around me become suspicious that I might be on steroids.

 

[BMW504]

I could up the dose to 500mg/week on the Sus, I would have to place another order to do this, but it's not a problem and I can throw some more PCT in there. I am reading though the PCT link in your comment and it starts with an ad to sell PCT and I've found the first 4 pages of posts to not be very helpful and mostly are about how to receive discounts. What would you suggest as a stronger PCT? Considering if I were to move up to 500mg/sus250 a week which I think I will now. I'm very much open to following PCT advice.

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

Subbed! Looking forward to following along... doing something somewhat similar for my contest prep.

 

[BMW504]

Day 2 of taking 20mg Var and T-Bol total. Just trying to judge how my body reacts for a couple more days before upping the dose. The only thing worth mentioning is that I took my morning dose on an empty stomach with absolutely no discomfort. I will continue taking my first dose immediately upon waking.

 

[zedhed]

Here is more on PCT for you bro,

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...apy/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html

you may need to copy and paste that one in your browser.

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

Day 2 of taking 20mg Var and T-Bol total. Just trying to judge how my body reacts for a couple more days before upping the dose. The only thing worth mentioning is that I took my morning dose on an empty stomach with absolutely no discomfort. I will continue taking my first dose immediately upon waking.

I can't comment until I transition my dbol into the tbol and anavar, but hopefully it doesn't cause bloat or water retention in me. I'll be doing 100mg anavar and 60mg tbol for twelve weeks.

 

[BMW504]

Ok I have started taking 40mg each of T-Bol and Var ED and just administered my first shot of 500mg Sus 250. I am considering taking the Sus shots every 5 days instead of once a week, because my supply would allow me to do that and still have a couple weeks left after running out of orals. I also have put in an order that doubles my supply of Clomid and got a couple boxes of Nolva too to add to my PCT. Just a quick update, will write more soon.

Also, @almost, that's considerably a larger dose than I am experimenting with. Whats your height/weight?

 

[BMW504]

Well I guess I didn't do my first shot perfectly because my leg was in pain all day. I had a noticeable limp most of the day. I feel a bit better now but there is still soreness. I guess watching a couple youtube videos didn't make me a pro at this.