First cycle.. Thoughts..

[Henchers456]

Basically I've decided to use PH and been researching it for a while, I've been training for 2 years previously and have made some good gains.
I'm planning on taking test e at 400mg a week for 10 weeks & 30/40mg of dbol for 4 weeks
I plan on taking nolva and clomid for my pct.
I'm not sure if I'm gyno prone, my nipples are a bit puffy already but that may be due to my bf being about 25%, should I take nolva throughout my cycle? Or should I only start using it if I see signs of gyno? & what are your thoughts of my cycle?

My stats:
Over 2 years lifting
165 pounds
5ft 7 & 1/2

 

[NegroPops]

The cycle looks good. But I would advice an AI for estrogen on cycle instead of a SERM. Arimidex or aromasin are your best options.

Besides estrogen control, what else do you have planned for cycle support? That is just as important as the gear you run.

Your PCT is outdated and needs an upgrade. Research, Research, Research.

What are you stats: Age, Height, Weight, Body Fat.

 

[Henchers456]

I'm not sure if I'm gyno prone so thought I wouldn't need to get an AI. And I would have nolva for my PCT so if I showed signs of gyno I could just use that? & what's outdated about my PCT? From what I've researched it seems to be effective, what changes would you make to my PCT?

I updated my post about my stats but..
5ft7/8
165 pounds
Body fat not entirely sure but about 20-25%

 

[nickb86]

you've chosen a good cycle for your 1st but id slightly change it to make it as effective as possible and ensure you get all you can from it.

Id stack it up like this my friend:

1-10 test e 400mg (split dosage Mon/Thursday)
1-4 d-bol 30/40 mg ed
1-4 N2guard (protect against dbol sides like liver, BP issues etc)
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod (alter dose as/if required)
1-10 hcgenerate (reduce atrophy and keep balls plump, aids recovery later on)
11-12 HCG 500-1000 iu's twice a week (plump your nuts up to help recovery for PCT)
Pct.
13-16 clomid 25/25/25/25
13-16 unleashed/post cycle combo (dose as bottle instructs)
13-18 forma stanzol (dose as bottle instructs)
13-18 Daa powder (3g's a day)

 

[Henchers456]

Is it better to split the dosage? I was planning on taking it all on the same day.. 1ml which contains 400mg on test e, should I split this into 2 days? Would it be more effective?
& sorry for my inexperience but..
Would I need to take the H2Guard because it'll only be 4 weeks of dbol and it wouldn't damage my liver from just that?
& HCG would prevent my balls from shrinking but after my PCT they'd start to plump again anyway when they start producing test,
I just don't want to pay for anything extra which may not be a necessity.

 

[Henchers456]

Anyone? Lol

 

[Cipp21]

You shouldn't even be thinking about cycling with a BF% that high. Idk if the guys above me caught that or not. Need to get it below 15% before you even consider it. The ammount of test that's going to aromatize due to your Bodyfat percentage is going to be very high. You'll basically go to war with gyno.

 

[Henchers456]

After reading what you said I checked online what my bf percentage is because before i just estimated it on looking aha & it calculated to 17.3% bf

 

[Redfield11]

Yeah, you shouldn't be thinking about steroids until you get your body fat down. 17/18 is still too high. You've only been training for 2 years which isn't that impressive. You've said that you have made decent gains, but it's obvious that your lifestyle isn't in check otherwise your body fat wouldn't be so high. Your diet and training regime are a hell of a lot more important than the cycle you're on, so you need to get that sorted before anything else.

 

[Henchers456]

I know this is gunna sound stupid, but I just checked another website where it asks for more information then the last one and according to that website I am 11%, & I have a good diet and training regime, I lift double my body weight on both squat and deadlift & have a good diet eating 500-1000 calories over my maintaining calories in order to gain weight, I also eat fairly clean with an occasional cheat day

 

[Redfield11]

I know this is gunna sound stupid, but I just checked another website where it asks for more information then the last one and according to that website I am 11%, & I have a good diet and training regime, I lift double my body weight on both squat and deadlift & have a good diet eating 500-1000 calories over my maintaining calories in order to gain weight, I also eat fairly clean with an occasional cheat day

If your body weight is 11%, you're old enough and have a good diet, training regime then I don't see a reason why you shouldn't go on a cycle. I strongly believe that people should get as close to their genetic potential as they can before using but some people just won't want to wait and will use steroids.

Your cycle is good, you've obviously done a bit of research but I'd add Aromasin regardless of whether or not you're gynoprone and run that through your cycle. Then a couple of weeks afterwards with Novla, Clomid and HCGenerate.

Your cycle is similar to one I'm currently doing, except I'm on 600mg or test e/EW and 50mg of dbol/ED for 12 weeks. But as I said, training and diet is far more important, if that is in check then go for it!

 

[Henchers456]

Do you think 400mg of test e is too less? I'll be doing it for 10 weeks & to kick start it at the beginning I'll be using dbol 30/40mg ed. & I don't think I'll be able to get a hold of aromasin & others such as armidex, so do you think that running the cycle without an AI would be okay? & if I developed signs of gyno then start taking nolva at a dose of 10/20mg ed? & my training is definitely in check as well as my diet. Thanks for the reply

 

[Redfield11]

If you live in the UK there are tons of sources that sell AI's but if you can't get hold of them because of finances then that's understandable as steroids are generally not cheap. I honestly wouldn't neglect cycle support and PCT because they are just as important as the steroids you use. IF you can't get hold of them then as you said, use nolva. I'm not 100% of the dosage, but 20-30mg sounds about right. Maybe someone who has a bit more knowledge on steroids can pitch in. I'm relatively new to using and can only offer my opinion.

 

[Henchers456]

It's more to do with finances, going all out just getting the test dbol nolva and clomid lol & thanks for the advice!
Is nolva and clomid not a good pct then?

 

[Redfield11]

It's more to do with finances, going all out just getting the test dbol nolva and clomid lol & thanks for the advice!
Is nolva and clomid not a good pct then?

They're fine buddy. It's what I'll be using. There's always going to be people who will find flaws with your cycle and that's simply because everyone has different preferences. So use clomid and nolva and see how that works for you. I know people who only use that and they are always completely fine.

 

[Henchers456]

Thanks mate!
The reason I chose to use nolva and clomid as my pct was due to research and found that a lot of people said it was effective. But yeah I'm planning on starting my cycle next week I've got the nolva as I'm going to use it as my PCT and if I show signs of gyno I'll start taking the nolva either till it goes or for the rest of my cycle? Which dyou thinks better?
& then I'd get some more nolva for my PCT.

 

[Cipp21]

Online calculators are normally very inaccurate. A more accurate measurement could be done with capilers or by posting a picture of yourself. Still, you have quite a ways to go before you consider steroids. Lifting ~330ish lbs for squat and deads are fat from where you should be before you even think of steroids. You have so much you can still gain naturally, why not keep gaining. What's ur age BTW? That's a HUGE deciding factor

 

[Lou Super Man 123]

Did anyone notice that he has not told his age?

 

[Cipp21]

Did anyone notice that he has not told his age?

Idk I smell something fishy. He described a Test cycle as using a PH in the first sentence and idk anyone who has experience under their belt that can look at themselves in the mirror and think they're 25% bf but a calculator tells them 11% (let alone be that far off anyways with estimating). 11% to 25% is the difference between a Hollywood actor and a competitor on the biggest loser. You can't have visible abs and think your over 20% bf. Be honest with us OP, were only here to help and if your lying your only harming yourself.

 

[Redfield11]

Did anyone notice that he has not told his age?

Yeah, I'm starting to think he's 17 or something. I'm just assuming that he's 25, genuinely has 11% body fat and knows what he's doing in the gym. If he's not any of those things, then he shouldn't touch steroids with a 60ft pole.

 

[Lou Super Man 123]

Idk I smell something fishy. He described a Test cycle as using a PH in the first sentence and idk anyone who has experience under their belt that can look at themselves in the mirror and think they're 25% bf but a calculator tells them 11% (let alone be that far off anyways with estimating). 11% to 25% is the difference between a Hollywood actor and a competitor on the biggest loser. You can't have visible abs and think your over 20% bf. Be honest with us OP, were only here to help and if your lying your only harming yourself.

Yeah, I was waiting for someone to make fun of the PH thing

He also want to make a test E + Dbol cycle without an AI, suicidal...
Never heard of someone who has started a cycle without an AI on hand even on a Test E only cycle.
Not to mention he doesn't know if he has to pin twice, not even a clue about steroids, clear symptom of someone that is not ready to touch steroids.
The bodyfat thing was just ridiculous, I laughed a lot, I just have a little 7 years in this game, 1 cutting, 6 gaining muscle and I can estimate my body fat percentage with 1-2% of error, no one on this planet self called "ready" to do a cycle would be wrong on his body fat% by a 14%. I mean, from 25% to 11%???!!!

I bet he read a bunch of Threads and deduced more or less what should be on the cycle he wanted and copied it.

 

[Lou Super Man 123]

Yeah, I'm starting to think he's 17 or something. I'm just assuming that he's 25, genuinely has 11% body fat and knows what he's doing in the gym. If he's not any of those things, then he shouldn't touch steroids with a 60ft pole.

Some people really believe that EAA's are candies.

Not sure about his age but for sure he has no clue about EAA's in any way.

 

[Cipp21]

Yeah, I was waiting for someone to make fun of the PH thing

He also want to make a test E + Dbol cycle without an AI, suicidal...
Never heard of someone who has started a cycle without an AI on hand even on a Test E only cycle.
Not to mention he doesn't know if he has to pin twice, not even a clue about steroids, clear symptom of someone that is not ready to touch steroids.
The bodyfat thing was just ridiculous, I laughed a lot, I just have a little 7 years in this game, 1 cutting, 6 gaining muscle and I can estimate my body fat percentage with 1-2% of error, no one on this planet self called "ready" to do a cycle would be wrong on his body fat% by a 14%. I mean, from 25% to 11%???!!!

I bet he read a bunch of Threads and deduced more or less what should be on the cycle he wanted and copied it.

Yea I was under the impression it was a copy paste job as well. Test/dbol without an AI is a male boob job ha

 

[Henchers456]

I'm 24, and no it's not a copy paste-.- & it's my first cycle I've been researching for some time & I'm asking for advice, you don't just wake up one day knowing everything about steds, you ask, research & learn & couldn't give a f*ck about ur advice if u just wanna mock so do one.

 

[Henchers456]

Is armidex a good AI with this cycle? If your gunna take the piss don't bother answering!

 

[Redfield11]

I'm 24, and no it's not a copy paste-.- & it's my first cycle I've been researching for some time & I'm asking for advice, you don't just wake up one day knowing everything about steds, you ask, research & learn & couldn't give a f*ck about ur advice if u just wanna mock so do one.

You're going to get nowhere with that attitude, friend. There are a lot of knowledgeable people on here who are more than happy to help you. If you don't post your stats then they will question you, it's as simple as that so don't take it personally. IMHO you need to have an AI on your cycle because you don't want to end up with bitch tits. Nolva doesn't reduce estrogen, it may help clear symptoms of gyno but won't solve the problem the same way something like armidex will.

You can take our advice or leave it. Do the cycle your own way and you'll find out if it works for you or not. It's part of the learning process.

 

[Henchers456]

I understand that but instead of asking my age they assume it and then take the piss? Just because there knowledgable it doesn't give them the right to act arrogant.
& yeah I understand that I need to have an AI now, as a cycle support and to prevent estrogen effects,

Is armidex a good AI? And what dosage would be recommended?

 

[Redfield11]

The first person who replied asked for your age. Usually when people leave that out it's because they are too young and don't want to get abused. If you are prone to gyno then 0.5mg every day, if not then go every other day or less. There is no definitive answer as everyone is different, just have it on hand and see how you go.

 

[Cipp21]

I understand that but instead of asking my age they assume it and then take the piss? Just because there knowledgable it doesn't give them the right to act arrogant.
& yeah I understand that I need to have an AI now, as a cycle support and to prevent estrogen effects,

Is armidex a good AI? And what dosage would be recommended?

The problem is that it is against the rules to give advice to anyone under 21 and even then the members of this forum are still very leery to give advice at such an age. Nobody wants to be the one to give advice to a kid who winds up messing himself up for life. Twice you were asked your age, and twice you neglected to post it. To most people it looks like you'd be hiding something.

On that note, Aromasin is a better AI and you can get it for the same price at most places. Dose it 12.5mg ED to start and adjust accordingly.

 

[Henchers456]

To be honest I didn't neglect to post it, the very next post i posted after I was asked my age I posted my age! I thought I had posted my age in my orginal post in my stats but I guess I didn't
& the main reason I didn't really think of an AI was that my supplier said that I wouldn't need an AI for my first cycle and to keep it nice and simple

 

[Jonlb21]

If he stacks it with Winny he might lose some of that BF