First Cycle starting soon, let me know what you guys think?

[pmd287]

Hey everyone I was wondering if you could critique my first cycle. I have been considering this for a long time and think its finally due, if you have any suggestions they would be much appreciated.

Ok so i will just be running Test cyp at 400mg/wk for 10 weeks
I will be using HCG starting the 4th week at 250IU every monday and Thursday from the 4th week until the last Test shot.

My post cycle consists of Nolva at 20mg/ed starting 15 days after last Test shot and also the Testosterone Recovery Stack from PP.
I will run the Nolva for 30 days as well as the Test Recovery Stack

I am 21 and i know this is too young to many of you, and honestly i didn't ever think i would start this young, but i will not be in the country next year, and i want to bulk some during the cycle, and then cut before i leave. I have been lifting for several years seriously now, and i have my diet and training in check. I will be eating 4000-4500 calories a day. Gonna start out with 4000 and go up if i feel like i should be eating more.

I also have some adex on hand in case i run into any trouble. Thanks for the comments and suggestions ya'll are a great bunch and they are much appreciated.

 

[79steeler]

It looks like you've done some research so good job.

The cycle itself looks good, good first cycle in my opinion.

Yes you are young to be messing with gear, but at least your going about it intelligently. I'm sure your mind is made up and you won't listen when we say wait four more years.

Document your cycle in the cycle journal forum, include your stats. This will help others learn from your experiance.

 

[wolfman87]

good luck broski!

 

[alcatraz1662]

nice and conservative, i like it

 

[cuts82]

Looks solid bro

 

[booby]

You are 21 you are still growing,just lift,lift,lift and eat,eat,eat!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nolva, ugh. What a waste.

 

[Cal_21]

Nolva, ugh. What a waste.

I'm glad I came back to the boards before starting my next cycle. I read something a while ago about using A-dex instead of nolva for pct, but I wasn't sure if that was a viable solution. A-dex it is! You convinced me. Thanks Nelson.

 

[10001110101]

yes a-dex is a far better choice.

however Aromasin is king of anti-estrogens and honestly i dont think there's a place for any other except nolva but nolva only in conjunction with an AI for gyno reversal/reduction.

my first pct i used clomid. BIG MISTAKE. it was a nightmare, i'd wake up with my hands shaking, terrible anxiety, limp noodle, complete insomnia and restlessness.

i got some aromasin and started taking it as soon as the clomid cleared my system (which is fucking forever as nolva and clomid both have really long half lives (4-5 days) so it takes a week before you start feeling ANY better and 2-3 weeks before it's gone enough not to notice it anymore.

3rd day on aromasin i felt almost fully recovered.... aromasin is cool because it instantly lowers SHBG within hours of taking it so the little tiny bit of test you have floating around gets freed up and is usable. also it doesn't have the side effects that the other ones do, the only sides i noticed was a little creakiness in the joints and i felt hot and a little dehydrated. aromasin is also lipid friendly unlike a-dex or letro.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

hey bro cycle looks good but you are young you can alaways wait but you dont want to..atleast you have done your research...

start up a log..i will check in everyday or few days and help you out...

start a account at fitday.com it will help you with your diet and tell you what your eating how many calories etc.

pm me if you need anything.

 

[cuts82]

yes a-dex is a far better choice.

however Aromasin is king of anti-estrogens and honestly i dont think there's a place for any other except nolva but nolva only in conjunction with an AI for gyno reversal/reduction.

my first pct i used clomid. BIG MISTAKE. it was a nightmare, i'd wake up with my hands shaking, terrible anxiety, limp noodle, complete insomnia and restlessness.

i got some aromasin and started taking it as soon as the clomid cleared my system (which is fucking forever as nolva and clomid both have really long half lives (4-5 days) so it takes a week before you start feeling ANY better and 2-3 weeks before it's gone enough not to notice it anymore.

3rd day on aromasin i felt almost fully recovered.... aromasin is cool because it instantly lowers SHBG within hours of taking it so the little tiny bit of test you have floating around gets freed up and is usable. also it doesn't have the side effects that the other ones do, the only sides i noticed was a little creakiness in the joints and i felt hot and a little dehydrated. aromasin is also lipid friendly unlike a-dex or letro.

damm im glad i went with my instincts and used adex pct! i have never used clomid but was goin to had it planned, but by chance i stumbled across a post about using a ai etc etc and i had a bunch of adex and a couple of packs of a otc test booster so i just did that and it was great! what kind of doses did you use bro? i went with 0.5mg eod

 

[joe d]

I'm glad I came back to the boards before starting my next cycle. I read something a while ago about using A-dex instead of nolva for pct, but I wasn't sure if that was a viable solution. A-dex it is! You convinced me. Thanks Nelson.

how does an ai like adex replace a recovery drug like nolva? (no smart ass real question).
i find it hard to belive. i thought adex only takes care of the estro. but no actual recovery values other than that.

 

[cuts82]

how does an ai like adex replace a recovery drug like nolva? (no smart ass real question).
i find it hard to belive. i thought adex only takes care of the estro. but no actual recovery values other than that.

I know alot of guys are gonna argue but from all and all the numerous research i have done basically nova does shit at restoring you hpta, clomid is better but has a ton of sides( some get them,some dont) the reason you have problems recovering is because of excess estro, so why not control the estro with a ai? and use hcg to kick start the testies? im by far no expert but from what info i read i made a educated decision for what I thought was best for my body. it worked out good for me

 

[joe d]

that makes sence. im going to be using hcg for the first time on my up coming cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

how does an ai like adex replace a recovery drug like nolva? (no smart ass real question).
i find it hard to belive. i thought adex only takes care of the estro. but no actual recovery values other than that.

Where is it written that nolva is a recovery drug beyond what some outdated and misguided self proclaimed steroid guru's have said?

 

[Grieves]

heyy, okay so im gonna be 18 in march..
been lifting pretty consistantly with my dad since last august..
alll natural.., im 5'10", around 140?
hes got maybe 100 d-bol (pinkies) 5mg...
bad idea to take them?
he knows about it, hes the one asking..
like..what will it do to my test level?

 

[cuts82]

where is it written that nolva is a recovery drug beyond what some outdated and misguided self proclaimed steroid guru's have said?

word!

 

[Bigpimpin10]

heyy, okay so im gonna be 18 in march..
been lifting pretty consistantly with my dad since last august..
alll natural.., im 5'10", around 140?
hes got maybe 100 d-bol (pinkies) 5mg...
bad idea to take them?
he knows about it, hes the one asking..
like..what will it do to my test level?

very bad idea !! your 17!!! your basically on steroids right now wth your natural test levels...eat eat eat and train hard..and youll see progress FAST!!

go to the supplement forum and the diet and weight traning!!>>
theres alot of decent creatines out that you may be able to take..

but NO TO THE DBOL.

 

[joe d]

Where is it written that nolva is a recovery drug beyond what some outdated and misguided self proclaimed steroid guru's have said?

its written in peoples posts all over the net. nolva only pct real people running cycles then recovering fully with nolvadex alone. obviously i understand that its medical use is not for recovery from steroid cycles if that is what you are thinking but it sure does work good for me and countless others.

and the post i was questioning said he would replace nolva with adex for pct. nolva covers all aspects of pct. adex does not. so i was wanting to hear if something else was going to be used with it.

 

[Grieves]

very bad idea !! your 17!!! your basically on steroids right now wth your natural test levels...eat eat eat and train hard..and youll see progress FAST!!

go to the supplement forum and the diet and weight traning!!>>
theres alot of decent creatines out that you may be able to take..

but NO TO THE DBOL.

alright cool.
yeah my dad said that too..my test levels are kickin now, so i shouldnt need em, and im taking creatine..NaNo vapor..
he said he just wanted to know if it would have any negative effects.
but thank you
haha

 

[sweed]

heyy, okay so im gonna be 18 in march..
been lifting pretty consistantly with my dad since last august..
alll natural.., im 5'10", around 140?
hes got maybe 100 d-bol (pinkies) 5mg...
bad idea to take them?
he knows about it, hes the one asking..
like..what will it do to my test level?

you're Dad is going to give you dbol at 17-18??
Bro.. lift until your at least 25 and you will grow frmo 140 to 200 easily by training right and eating all the right things. taking dbol now is not a smart idea.

OP- how long is lifting for several years? 2-3? what are you're stats also? everything looks good for a first!

 

[Grieves]

haha alright man, thanks.
what would be bad about it?
just like..its pointless? or it would fuck me up?

 

[joe d]

haha alright man, thanks.
what would be bad about it?
just like..its pointless? or it would fuck me up?

both