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r1ck

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Hello I have a couple of questions.
I’m 24 years old, been training for 4 years on and off because I go out of town.
I’m 5’9 ½ I started at 125 lbs today I am 145 lbs 13% BF, I’m kind of an ectomorph.
I eat around 3000 calories a day 5/6/7 meals a day, my goal is to put a 15 to 30 lbs of mass, then cut it later on. I’ve never done a cycle in my life.
I have puffy nips from puberty, the puffiness goes away when I’m cold. So I want a cycle that won’t aggravate it, I’m also prone to hair lost since I’m very young. So I guess a good pct to prevent gyno+hair lost. I’m not ready for a cycle so this is why I’m asking some questions on how I should run my cycle and pct.

I was thinking of these cycles
1.
Week 1 - 4 Tbol x 40mg/day
Week 1 - 10 Test x 500mg/week
Week 12-13 Nolvadex x 50mg/day
Week 14-15 Nolvadex x 25mg/day
or
Week 12-13 Clomid 100mg
Week 14-15 Clomid 50g

2.
Week 1-8 Deca x 250mg/week
Week 1-9 Test x 500mg/week
Week 12-13 Clomid 100mg
Week 14-15 Clomid 50g

3. Mix Test With EQ?

I don’t want dbol for its crazy sides since I’m puffy puberty already / maybe var instead of tbol


Should I put armidex or Primobolan for hair lost?
Well that’s it. Please feel free to help
Thanks this is a pic last september

http://membres.lycos.fr/rick0806/Workout/workout01.jpg
 
I never recommend a person using gear for the first time using more than 1 compound. You have no idea how your body is going to react to 1 steroid, much less multiples.

500mgs of test per week is going to be plenty for you to see some solid gains as long as your diet is as in check as you imply. If you already consume that many calories, try upping it if you can. You gotta eat big to get big.... along with sleeping and training big as well.

Thats just my own opinion. Im glad you already have Nolva planned because if you already have some puffy nips, you are probably going to be prone to gyno and Nolva should help you keep that at bay.

Im sure someone else will chime in here with some more specific information for you.
 
immortalis said:
I never recommend a person using gear for the first time using more than 1 compound. You have no idea how your body is going to react to 1 steroid, much less multiples.

500mgs of test per week is going to be plenty for you to see some solid gains as long as your diet is as in check as you imply.
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i agree, thanks
500 test would be prolly enough
 
Definitely, Keep it simple, you get big in the Kitchen first.. You have to dial in a diet and make it a regular for yourself.. Once this is accomplished get a good workout going for yourself. you'll see that with your diet you will grow.. Once you get to a point where you think you would beneft more from AAS take a Test E 500mg/wk cycle for 10-12 wks.. You will see a huge gain of mass.. Take it simple though. Don't complicate your first cycle.. Pop the cherry easy.. LOL..
 
at 145 bro all that matters is your diet. 5000 cals and 300g of protein and you will grow. if you are 5 10 or more you can put on another 40 lbs for sure with food the most anabolic theing there is. i was exactly like you 6 3 145 excatly, was 125 as a college frosh. i got up to 165 on my first cycle which was not needed, i just needed to learn how to eat. i got up to 172 after another quick cycle. i'm up to 185 and its all been natty. i realized that diet is all that matters. i put on weight quicker eating 5000 cals and 300g protein daily then when i was on aas only takin in 300cals. really wish i would have known how to eat and was starting my cycles now with all the knowledge i have. a lot of dudes say they eat 5000 as an excuse to start aas but you will grow if you eat like that no doubt. its hard to do i'm not gonna lie but you will fuckin grow. judging by your pic you need a more solid base before starting. then run 500mg of test e for 12 weeks and kickstart it with tbol, the best oral there is for an ecto who doesn't want sides.
 
bruce410 said:
at 145 bro all that matters is your diet. 5000 cals and 300g of protein and you will grow. if you are 5 10 or more you can put on another 40 lbs for sure with food the most anabolic theing there is. i was exactly like you 6 3 145 excatly, was 125 as a college frosh. i got up to 165 on my first cycle which was not needed, i just needed to learn how to eat. i got up to 172 after another quick cycle. i'm up to 185 and its all been natty. i realized that diet is all that matters. i put on weight quicker eating 5000 cals and 300g protein daily then when i was on aas only takin in 300cals. really wish i would have known how to eat and was starting my cycles now with all the knowledge i have. a lot of dudes say they eat 5000 as an excuse to start aas but you will grow if you eat like that no doubt. its hard to do i'm not gonna lie but you will fuckin grow. judging by your pic you need a more solid base before starting. then run 500mg of test e for 12 weeks and kickstart it with tbol, the best oral there is for an ecto who doesn't want sides.
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hehe 5000 cals 300 prot at 5'9 145lbs that’s crazy, when working + school its hard to eat every hour, i eat right now at every 3 hours with a good 25 to 40g of prot with good starch carbs, in the morning and before sleep i take some flax oil for the good fatty’s,
i always eat the same stuff whey,mrp,eggs,tuna,chicken,salmon,oat,rice,potatoes,banane,bars u know etc... but 5000 cals thats crazy :P that would make me more fat than anything prolly
i would take some aas just for an extra 20 lbs and thats it, not anything to become super extra big,
is test the best solution for someone with gyno(puffy from puberty) and hair loss prone, armidex + nolvadex while on test and clomid after cycle?
what would be the best pct if test would be ran with those criteria
i will up my calls to 3500 for this week and see how much lbm i gain then try 4000 next week

r1ck
 
you say you have been training 4 years and only weight 145 bro......not knocking you but you need to learn a lot more about nutrition and training before going on juice......and those that know me know i don't say this often as i think it is a great thing getting juiced up and feeling great and looking great....but at 145 bro.....you have no business getting on the juice yet my friend
 
hehe i was 120-130 all my life
im now 150 today with gym+diet
ectomorph dont have genetics like most do
some grow while doing nothing i need to work very hard
i do compound exercices and eat very well, i find it funny when people say cuz im only 145 it means nothing to them when most guys were 230 already fat and stuff.
at 5'9 and being an ectomorph i think its good at 150
most 5'9 not ectomoprh are 190 and 200 lbs and fat
or just plain normal at 160 175 while never went in a gym
its not my fault if i dont grow, i eat like a pig and i know how to workout in gym
i have all it takes motivation, supplement etc..
anyways i never get the answers i need
 
r1ck said:
hehe i was 120-130 all my life
im now 150 today with gym+diet
ectomorph dont have genetics like most do
some grow while doing nothing i need to work very hard
i do compound exercices and eat very well, i find it funny when people say cuz im only 145 it means nothing to them when most guys were 230 already fat and stuff.
at 5'9 and being an ectomorph i think its good at 150
most 5'9 not ectomoprh are 190 and 200 lbs and fat
or just plain normal at 160 175 while never went in a gym
its not my fault if i dont grow, i eat like a pig and i know how to workout in gym
i have all it takes motivation, supplement etc..
anyways i never get the answers i need
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bro...you said you were 145.....now....145 at 13%BF isn't anything impressive at all my friend.....i truly find it hard to believe you are busting your ass in they gym and eating excessively....if you say you don't grow...eat MORE bro...the reason some guys at 220-230 are a little fatty as they have figured out it takes eating like HELL to put on the muscle and with that sometimes comes some fat....which you shed off later on bro....very few can grow big and stay ripped at the same time.

I think you should get you some weight gainer shakes and turn your calories up to 4000-5000.....and you think you are eating a lot, but i'd bet if you itemize EVERYTHING you eat all day you will see you aren't eating as much as you think.

145 is just way too small to be starting steroids bro.......but if you insist on doing it and im sure you probably will im sure someone will recommend you a cycle.....although i just can't think of a cycle i would recommend to someone that small.........you also need to think about the crash you are gonna experience when you come off......if you eat and train like you say you do and still dont' grow i think you will have a VERY tough time keeping your gains from juice.....
 
hehe, i guess. your crazy bro. thinking that taking gear will magically put on 20 lbs. and by the way that is a lot to gain from a cycle. 500 cals and 300g protein is not gonna make you fat. if it did you would not be in this predicament. you would be gaining weight off of 3000 cals or so. this is not the case. when you are not putting on mass as an ecto upping your cals and protein is the only way. you can take all the juice you want if you can't pound out the cals you won't grow and waste your money and juice. since you are going to listen i hope you do this safely. run test 500mg for 12 weeks with adex .5mg ed. you will not bloat or get gyno. keep nolva on hand for any gyno that does pop up and for pct. run your pct like this
a week after your last shot
mon wed and fri you take 1000ius of hcg for 3 weeks along with 20mg of nolva and 100mg of clomid the first week, 50mg of clomid the second two. continue the nolva for 3 weeks after the hcg. like is said if you laugh at eating that much then people are gonna laugh at your results. your pic shows little base at all and it doesn't look like you know what your doing.
r1ck said:
hehe 5000 cals 300 prot at 5'9 145lbs that’s crazy, when working + school its hard to eat every hour, i eat right now at every 3 hours with a good 25 to 40g of prot with good starch carbs, in the morning and before sleep i take some flax oil for the good fatty’s,
i always eat the same stuff whey,mrp,eggs,tuna,chicken,salmon,oat,rice,potatoes,banane,bars u know etc... but 5000 cals thats crazy :P that would make me more fat than anything prolly
i would take some aas just for an extra 20 lbs and thats it, not anything to become super extra big,
is test the best solution for someone with gyno(puffy from puberty) and hair loss prone, armidex + nolvadex while on test and clomid after cycle?
what would be the best pct if test would be ran with those criteria
i will up my calls to 3500 for this week and see how much lbm i gain then try 4000 next week

r1ck
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i have a question about TEST- i dont wanna start its own therd as its probs stupid and if a read every post i would prob find out so dont wanna clutter the board ... what should i go for test E or test Prop? test E? i was allways going for test e but it went out of production (BD) also PCT what should i take? clomid only? what about nolvadex should i take that too?

Edit: testE is longer lasting but takes longer to kick in?
testprop is fast acting but needs jabbed every 2days... is that right or is it once / twice a week? cheers
 
test prop needs to be taken ed or eod. test e can be taken once a week or beter if twice a week. yes test e lasts much longer. you should have hcg clomid and nolva for pct. bd should still be making test e and cyp
fiesta_bhoy said:
i have a question about TEST- i dont wanna start its own therd as its probs stupid and if a read every post i would prob find out so dont wanna clutter the board ... what should i go for test E or test Prop? test E? i was allways going for test e but it went out of production (BD) also PCT what should i take? clomid only? what about nolvadex should i take that too?

Edit: testE is longer lasting but takes longer to kick in?
testprop is fast acting but needs jabbed every 2days... is that right or is it once / twice a week? cheers
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r1ck said:
Hello I have a couple of questions.
I’m 24 years old, been training for 4 years on and off because I go out of town.
I’m 5’9 ½ I started at 125 lbs today I am 145 lbs 13% BF, I’m kind of an ectomorph.
I eat around 3000 calories a day 5/6/7 meals a day, my goal is to put a 15 to 30 lbs of mass, then cut it later on. I’ve never done a cycle in my life.
I have puffy nips from puberty, the puffiness goes away when I’m cold. So I want a cycle that won’t aggravate it, I’m also prone to hair lost since I’m very young. So I guess a good pct to prevent gyno+hair lost. I’m not ready for a cycle so this is why I’m asking some questions on how I should run my cycle and pct.

I was thinking of these cycles
1.
Week 1 - 4 Tbol x 40mg/day
Week 1 - 10 Test x 500mg/week
Week 12-13 Nolvadex x 50mg/day
Week 14-15 Nolvadex x 25mg/day
or
Week 12-13 Clomid 100mg
Week 14-15 Clomid 50g

2.
Week 1-8 Deca x 250mg/week
Week 1-9 Test x 500mg/week
Week 12-13 Clomid 100mg
Week 14-15 Clomid 50g

3. Mix Test With EQ?

I don’t want dbol for its crazy sides since I’m puffy puberty already / maybe var instead of tbol


Should I put armidex or Primobolan for hair lost?
Well that’s it. Please feel free to help
Thanks this is a pic last september

http://membres.lycos.fr/rick0806/Workout/workout01.jpg
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Go with cycle 1 for first time:
Week 1 - 4 Tbol 50mg/day
Week 1 - 12 Test 500mg/week
 
Let's review:
- A young man
- Eats plenty
- Knows how to work out
- Ecto with low fat
- Puffy nips and prone to hair loss
- Wants to do a first cycle

IMO ... he's briming with natural test and does not need anything andro.
Needs some anabolic.

Let's keep it simple.
30 mgs of anavar for 10 weeks.
Should be good for 10-15 pounds of muscle and no liver damage, gyno or hair thinning.

Want to inject?
Winny ... 50 mg eod for 8 weeks
 
im done with university in 1 week, i will up my cals to 5000, try this for 3 months track lbm and bf and see how it goes, not on a hurry for aas, but im sick and tired of dieting like crazy, eating very good and gaining 2-3 lbs and losing it in the morning asap
im max 150 but most of the time 145 lbs
most big guys dont know what is it to be skinny i think
fat guys have low fat foods created for them; they have entire magazines dedicated to helping them lose fat, they even have companies established to help them lose weight and get fit.

my metabolism is just crazy and it makes me skinny, its just how i am
but i will sure try 5000 cals in a week for sure, with 3000 cals im going to the toilet like 3-4 times a day, cant imagine 5000 haha oh well

r1ck
 
bruce410 said:
i'll post a pic of myself at 6 3 145 bro. i weighed what you weighed at a much taller weight and i did it.
http://www.elitefitness.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33183&cat=500&page=1
i think i had more of a base than you even at that weight. get your diet in check you will grow. 145 bench is not strong enough to consider aas. i was doing 185 and 205 during the time that pic was taken. you need protein to grow or your workouts are a waste
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can't see the pic cuz im not premium :S
didnt u take aas at 145lbs u said?
6'3 145 lbs is skinny
im 5'9 5'10 145 lbs
 
yes but i said it was way to early to start. i went natty after and gained more eating right. i don't know how to past the pic but my arms were still much bigger than yours and i was way stronger. i shouldve waited till i was up near 170
 
bruce410 said:
yes but i said it was way to early to start. i went natty after and gained more eating right. i don't know how to past the pic but my arms were still much bigger than yours and i was way stronger. i shouldve waited till i was up near 170
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i have small wrist but my bicep are 12,5 cold
do u have a sample 5000 cals of your day input
 
r1ck said:
im done with university in 1 week, i will up my cals to 5000, try this for 3 months track lbm and bf and see how it goes, not on a hurry for aas, but im sick and tired of dieting like crazy, eating very good and gaining 2-3 lbs and losing it in the morning asap
im max 150 but most of the time 145 lbs
most big guys dont know what is it to be skinny i think
fat guys have low fat foods created for them; they have entire magazines dedicated to helping them lose fat, they even have companies established to help them lose weight and get fit.

my metabolism is just crazy and it makes me skinny, its just how i am
but i will sure try 5000 cals in a week for sure, with 3000 cals im going to the toilet like 3-4 times a day, cant imagine 5000 haha oh well

r1ck
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GOOD IDEA bro...try that for 3 months or so and come back and let us know if you gained some weight and what the deal is!
 
Well, I got up to 160lbs 14% bf
im now 155lbs 10% bf
it's crazy hard to gain more, i ordered some no-explode to try out, after that ill prolly go and do

tbol 4 weeks 40mg ed
test e 400mg (200x2) / week
armidex .5 ed
novaldex on hand
 
prime exmple for me my father 5'10" 155 mymom 5'3" 112 my sis 5"7" 130 my brother 5' 9.5" 160.... I am 5'11" 260# lways was at lest 210 without sauce!! like these guys say have to eat eat eat eat anyone can gin lean weight just hve to figure out how many calories you need for my self I need pp. 17-18 cals per # of bodyweight to grow 14-16 to maintain and bout 12-14 to strt to cut up just have to figure out wht you need. sometimes a lousy 200-300cal day can make all the difference
 
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