First Cycle... Need good advice!!!

[BigGuyPHX]

Need help guys...
I'm 35 5' 10'' 215 pound EASY gainer.
Lean but not shredded.
I train HARD 6 weeks on and 1 week off.
Diet 300 to 400gm of protien a day. 6 to 8 meals of GOOD bodybuilding foods. My diet is perfect for mass building. Sleep 8 hours avg. Drink gallon+ water per day.

After doing my homework I think the right cycle for my goals would be 50mg trenbolone ED and 50mg testosterone propionate ED.
I think running with low levels on my first cycle would be a good idea. My body tends to be SUPER sensitive to ANY kind of meds and I believe I sould see solid results in a 6 week cycle.

Questions...

What other meds do I NEED to stack if any during 6 week cycle?

What is the needed meds and time for PCT?(Please outline in detail)

I am 100% natural to date 18" arms good full body balance. Also my last 6 week training cycle was great with NICE gains. I feel like an animal! I want to go to next level.. PLEASE HELP.

I have looked on several forums and got a lox of mixed info??????? You guys by far sound like you got the RIGHT info I need and TRUST.

Thanks
BigGuyPHX

Squat to ya teabag the floor!!!

 

[jimmy04]

I dont know if id run tren as a 1st cycle bro but w8 and see what some of the other bro's think.

 

[GarrisX]

for first cycle, just going with test for 12 weeks at 500 mg ew would be great

 

[BigCracker]

Bad idea for tren and prop. Sure they'll meet your needs as far as what you're looking for, but I think they are not the best choice for a 1st run for a number of reasons. Also, a 6 weeker of low doses of these compounds is not a good choice either. I could probably write a small novel explaining why I feel this way, but I'm kinda in a hurry right now. Let's just say I think you'd be better off running 200-400 mgs/week of test cyp or test enan for 8-10 wks followed by pct.


Now if you're looking for the right info from people you can trust, I don't know if you can find that anywhere consistenly. Guy's younger than us are taking 1 gram of test + weekly on their 1st run, which I feel is way too much. Then again, our age group knows what it's like to have to do research without the option of using the internet. A little time and effort is not that big of a deal to us. But for the younger generations, that's just too much like work and waiting for anything worthwhile isn't tolerable-so upping the dose is easier-just like using google online. Hell, even that's too much like work for some which is obvious when newb 16 yr olds come here that haven't done anything more than bench press a few times in their lives. Suddenly they want to run dbol pillz only cuz they're skeeeered of needlez. After getting flamed into oblivion by multiple EF Members, there will likely be one idiot that tells him dbol only is great for a 16 yr old that's never trained before or knows anything about diet. This is the guy the newb will listen to-as he's probably on his 6th or 7th day of dbol only already anyway.

BTW-if your bod is sensitive to Rx, juicing may not be right for you. Different people experience different side effects at different times, and some people tolerate them better than others. You won't know these things until you are on a few weeks. So by running a low-to moderate dose of a single compound like test for a longer period of time may be your best bet for your 1st run..

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

Big C always throws down...great points...for me tren was one of the last compounds i ever got to fuckin around with...I would say masteron is a step down imho

 

[hyp1]

I agree with bigcracker,a low dose of testosterone cypionate (@250mgs a week)to see how your body responds would be best for a 1st cycle.also being new to cycles in general the frequent injections with the trenbolone and testosternone propionate are going to be a bitch for you.

followed by a proper post cycle therapy you should be able to keep most if not all of your gains.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

Thanks Guys!!!
Few more questions...
If I run a test only cycle for lets say 8 weeks what kind of PCT would I do??? PLEASE give details. I have read so many different things. I like to keep things simple and easy to control.
Also what kind of different testosterones would be good for a first cycle and why?
THANKS THANKS THANKS
BigGuyPHX

Squat to ya teabag the floor!

 

[advanced-stealth]

Good reply bc.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

go for test c at 250mgs to 500mgs for a first for 10-12 weeks if your worried about bloat use adex at 0.25mgs a day , also you can front load with dbol at 25-30mgs for the first 4 weeks untill the test kicks in, you can also run 500iu of hcg every 5 days for pct followed by nolva at 20mgs per day

good luck

 

[macemj]

Need help guys...
I'm 35 5' 10'' 215 pound EASY gainer.
Lean but not shredded.
I train HARD 6 weeks on and 1 week off.
Diet 300 to 400gm of protien a day. 6 to 8 meals of GOOD bodybuilding foods. My diet is perfect for mass building. Sleep 8 hours avg. Drink gallon+ water per day.

After doing my homework I think the right cycle for my goals would be 50mg trenbolone ED and 50mg testosterone propionate ED.
I think running with low levels on my first cycle would be a good idea. My body tends to be SUPER sensitive to ANY kind of meds and I believe I sould see solid results in a 6 week cycle.

Questions...

What other meds do I NEED to stack if any during 6 week cycle?

What is the needed meds and time for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - ?(Please outline in detail)

I am 100% natural to date 18" arms good full body balance. Also my last 6 week training cycle was great with NICE gains. I feel like an animal! I want to go to next level.. PLEASE HELP.

I have looked on several forums and got a lox of mixed info??????? You guys by far sound like you got the RIGHT info I need and TRUST.

Thanks
BigGuyPHX

Squat to ya teabag the floor!!!

At your size and weight I would shoot for LOW test 250 of a long ester like enanthate for 12 weeks....stop being a pussy. Next, I would get some Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - for those old 35 yr old joints, lol ,300 mg/wk for 12 weeks.

Get some liquidex and your all set. POST A PIC. Much easier.

 

[beenieman]

BTW-if your bod is sensitive to Rx, juicing may not be right for you. Different people experience different side effects at different times, and some people tolerate them better than others. You won't know these things until you are on a few weeks. So by running a low-to moderate dose of a single compound like test for a longer period of time may be your best bet for your 1st run..

This is a great suggestion. I'm 34, 190 lbs (when I started 3 weeks ago) and my diet and rest are spot on and I'm running 380 mg's of sust per week. I'm already seeing gains and glad to have backed off the deca stack originally. Listen to bro's like needto, mac and hyp and you'll do fine. Keep it with one compound to minimize and monitor any and all sides... Low dose for the first run is key... best of luck bro! ENJOY...

 

[hyp1]

Thanks Guys!!!
Few more questions...
If I run a test only cycle for lets say 8 weeks what kind of PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - would I do??? PLEASE give details. I have read so many different things. I like to keep things simple and easy to control.
Also what kind of different testosterones would be good for a first cycle and why?
THANKS THANKS THANKS
BigGuyPHX

Squat to ya teabag the floor!

I would run it for 12 weeks bro @250mgs a week to see how you react to the testosterone,if you experience water retention use arimidex @.25mgs up to .5mgs a day if you're experience quite a bit of bloating.for your first cycle I don't recommend you 'kickstarting it with dianabol,see how you do with one compound for your first cycle.

for post cycle therapy run dermacrine sustain for 30 days it depends what type of testosterone you're running that determines the amount of time you should wait before starting (the dermacrine sustain)after your last injection-Testosterone Cypionate is 12 days for Testosterone Enanthate it's 10.5 days.

if your nuts shrink up and you feel shut down...........run HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - @500iu's for 10 days straight and that should bring them back to size,right after your last injection.

best of luck to you

 

[Skinnyarms]

Stick with the prop, you will see gains from it faster and if you experience any side effects from it you can discontinue and it will be out of your system alot faster, I am very sensitive to drugs myself, and can level with you, the problem some find with test E is it takes a while for the blood concentrations to reach a efficient peak and by that time you may be experiencing some serious side effects, dont make your first cycle your most unpleasant one, BTW I am NOT Vince Gironda

 

[BigCracker]

Stick with the testosterone propionate, you will see gains from it faster and if you experience any side effects from it you can discontinue and it will be out of your system alot faster, I am very sensitive to drugs myself, and can level with you, the problem some find with testosterone enanthate is it takes a while for the blood concentrations to reach a efficient peak and by that time you may be experiencing some serious side effects, dont make your first cycle your most unpleasant one, BTW I am NOT Vince Gironda

I respectfully disagree. The extra injections needed to keep blood levels stable with Prop will increase the risks of an abcess. All things considered, like being new to AS, inexperienced w/ giving injections, etc is not the time to play human pin cushion.

I think it's safe to say the most immediate health risk involved using AS is getting an abcess. Abcesses can lead to Staph which if left untreated too long could mean the loss of a limb, a chunk of your ass, or in extreme cases, death.

If you did a search of past threads for guys having any type of health probs resulting from AS use that required medical attention, I think abcesses would be ranked number 1.

 

[xrsist]

go for testosterone cypionate at 250mgs to 500mgs for a first for 10-12 weeks if your worried about bloat use Arimidex - anastrozole - at 0.25mgs a day , also you can front load with Dianabol - methandrostenolone - at 25-30mgs for the first 4 weeks untill the test kicks in, you can also run 500iu of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - every 5 days for PCT - post cycle therapy - followed by Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - at 20mgs per day

good luck

no no no its a first cycle people, no need for more than one compound

 

[BigCracker]

no no no its a first cycle people, no need for more than one compound

No shit! What happened to crawl before you can walk. Walk before you can run..?

 

[xrsist]

No shit! What happened to crawl before you can walk. Walk before you can run..?

these cunts wanna get up and sprint before they can crawl

 

[njmuscleguy]

BigCracker, gotta say I'm impressed with the kind, gentle advice you're giving here.... I was ready for a thrashing! Must be getting soft in your old(er) age? Excellent advice though.... wouldn't have said anything different.

Also, for those recommending 12-week cycles for a first-timer....don't. No need for a 12-week cycle.... an 8-week cycle will do nicely at a low to moderate dosage of test.... 10 weeks maximum. Especially for this guy who is a self-proclaimed easy gainer. Keep the cycle short, simple, and light.... P C T and recovery will be a breeze. He won't need H C G, he may or may not need an A I (but always good to have on hand)... light dosage of either clomid or nolva if he so chooses for P C T - or the more natural route, Derma Sustain.

 

[hyp1]

BigCracker, gotta say I'm impressed with the kind, gentle advice you're giving here.... I was ready for a thrashing! Must be getting soft in your old(er) age? Excellent advice though.... wouldn't have said anything different.

Also, for those recommending 12-week cycles for a first-timer....don't. No need for a 12-week cycle.... an 8-week cycle will do nicely at a low to moderate dosage of test.... 10 weeks maximum. Especially for this guy who is a self-proclaimed easy gainer. Keep the cycle short, simple, and light.... P C T and recovery will be a breeze. He won't need H C G, he may or may not need an A I (but always good to have on hand)... light dosage of either clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - if he so chooses for P C T - or the more natural route, Derma Sustain.

I don't see any reason not to run a 12 weeker for a first cycle if he does proper post cycle therapy....and also you don't know if he's prone to being shut down easily or not,so you can't honestly say that he won't need H C G............that's precisely why I said

if your nuts shrink up and you feel shut down...........run HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - @500iu's for 10 days straight and that should bring them back to size,right after your last injection.

 

[Skinnyarms]

I respectfully disagree. The extra injections needed to keep blood levels stable with testosterone propionate will increase the risks of an abcess. All things considered, like being new to AS, inexperienced w/ giving injections, etc is not the time to play human pin cushion.

I think it's safe to say the most immediate health risk involved using AS is getting an abcess. Abcesses can lead to Staph which if left untreated too long could mean the loss of a limb, a chunk of your ass, or in extreme cases, death.

If you did a search of past threads for guys having any type of health probs resulting from AS use that required medical attention, I think abcesses would be ranked number 1.

What happened to the usual "Don't be a pussy man!, pin up or don't pin at all" for all we know he has been shooting IGF intramuscularly for the last 6 yrs and besides I believe his issue was about sideffects and not improper sanitation.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I don't see any reason not to run a 12 weeker for a first cycle if he does proper post cycle therapy....and also you don't know if he's prone to being shut down easily or not,so you can't honestly say that he won't need H C G............that's precisely why I said

Speaking from personal experience, and I know many others', gains tend to stagnate after the 8-10 week mark.... except when E Q is in the mix, but that's a different animal... so to me, 8-10 weeks is a good amount of time to reap the most benefits. As for H C G, you're right.... he may need it... or he may not....

 

[CremasterBlaster]

I just gotta weigh in with my .02 (not to be a kiss ass......but you guys have always been here, and I like giving credit where its due)

BigC, Hyp1, Xrsist, and NJ are probably the most knowledgeable bros on the board, and what they say bears repeating over and over again

Start small, keep it simple.......

 

[BigCracker]

What happened to the usual "Don't be a pussy man!, pin up or don't pin at all" for all we know he has been shooting IGF intramuscularly for the last 6 yrs and besides I believe his issue was about sideffects and not improper sanitation.

If someone gets an abcess as a result of improper sanitation or minimal injection experience I would consider that a side effect. In fact, it's much more serious than hair loss or zits. I'd even consider an abcess a more immediate threat to one's well being than the guy that has blood filled cysts in his liver from using A-50. A liver can regenerate itself. An abcess can fight off antibiotics and become Staph-which has the potential to kill you within days if not properly treated.

In short, if it's possible to keep test levels stable in an 8 wk cycle with 8 weekly injections, why should a newb use a faster acting compound that requires 8 weeks of 2 weekly injections???

 

[theplastickid]

Thanks Guys!!!
Few more questions...
If I run a test only cycle for lets say 8 weeks what kind of PCT - post cycle therapy - would I do??? PLEASE give details. I have read so many different things. I like to keep things simple and easy to control.
Also what kind of different testosterones would be good for a first cycle and why?
THANKS THANKS THANKS
BigGuyPHX

Squat to ya teabag the floor!

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

Here is some great info on pct.

 

[rage_roid]

8-10 week cycles ar to me the best option, but I don't like monocycles...

 

[rage_roid]

Not my personal opinion to be for real, byt what ever happened soft primo + winny cycle???

 

[jhale226]

BigCracker, gotta say I'm impressed with the kind, gentle advice you're giving here.... I was ready for a thrashing! Must be getting soft in your old(er) age? Excellent advice though.... wouldn't have said anything different.

Also, for those recommending 12-week cycles for a first-timer....don't. No need for a 12-week cycle.... an 8-week cycle will do nicely at a low to moderate dosage of test.... 10 weeks maximum. Especially for this guy who is a self-proclaimed easy gainer. Keep the cycle short, simple, and light.... P C T and recovery will be a breeze. He won't need H C G, he may or may not need an A I (but always good to have on hand)... light dosage of either clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - if he so chooses for P C T - or the more natural route, Derma Sustain.

you said its always good to have A I on hand...what is that and what does it do?

 

[njmuscleguy]

you said its always good to have A I on hand...what is that and what does it do?

A I = aromatase inhibitor

to keep estrogen in check (prevent gyno, reduce bloat, etc)

 

[xrsist]

A I = aromatase inhibitor

to keep estrogen in check (prevent gynecomastia, reduce bloat, etc)

its disturbing you have to spell it out for some..

 

[MoFoBerto]

its disturbing you have to spell it out for some..

tru...even I know what that is. lol

 

[hyp1]

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

Here is some great info on pct.

great info my fucking ass bro from that article:

Some users like to use both Clomid and Nolvadex in their PCT in an attempt to cover all angles. An example of the dosages involved might be:

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

How To Take Clomid
Clomid has a long half-life (possibly 5 days), so there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. If Sustanon has been used and Clomid is commenced 3 weeks after the last injection, I would estimate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high, we need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help, even if androgen levels are still a little high. Try 300mg on day 1; then use 100mg for the next 10 days; followed by 50mg for 10 days.

((taking 300mgs or even 200mgs of clomid will give you visual disturbances from hell(tracers and weird shit)and make you one moody motherfucker like a chick on the rag.I don't recommend anyone take over 50mgs of clomid a night,to avoid it's side effects anything over that and you're going to experience sides from hell that aren't enjoyable.))