First Cycle Layout - Advice?

[takii6]

Hello all,
I have my first cycle layed out below and would like you experienced guys to look it over. I am no chemist or doctor, so if there are any glaring idiocies please call me out on them. I've really bought into what Nelson Montana preaches, so if you see this Nelson I would love your feedback. That said, there are a ton of other guys here with the knowledge to help me out so I want to first say I really appreciate it.
Here's a little background on me,
34 years old, 6'1", 235lbs. In the gym 5-6 days a week, mostly lifting. My main goal is strengh gain, then of course muscle build and toning would be great too. I have never taken anything in my life outside One A Day vitamins, nada. I'm pretty nervous about this first cycle and not happy about having to pin HCG. This will be an oral Anavar only cycle. I have read and reread the arguements for adding test, but I will simply not do it this first cycle, maybe in the future. I have a little natural gyno, which pisses me off since I've never taken anything. So this tells me I may be susceptible to it?
Anyway, here goes;
60mg Anavar for 8 weeks. Dosing five days, not dosing weekends

100IU ED starting week 2 and ending after week 7 of cycle. (Should I also not dose HCG on weekends?)

HCGenerate for 8 weeks on cycle

12.5mg Aromasin dosed Mon-Wed-Fri during cycle and PCT

Unleashed & Post Cycle immediately after cycle for 30 days

 

[Jbranken]

I don't see a need for pinning hcg or the way you're doing it. You'll desensitize yourself to it pinning it ED. Honesty I'd just run hcgenerate with anavar to help with vars shutdown issues. It doesn't aromatize and I don't really see a need for the aromasin either but its a good idea to have on hand since you may be gyno prone. Also, there is no need to skip the anavar on the weekends. This will in no way help you. I'm not sure why you decided this. It will only complicate blood levels of var in your system and may lead to more side effects and less gains. What's your bf%??

 

[takii6]

Thanks J,
In your opinion should I not use the HCG at all? And aromasin only is I see estrogen related sides?
I decided on the taking weekends off after talking with a gym buddy that exerienced liver issues when taking anavar every day. He switched to taking weekends off and said that helped him.
My bf% is approx 20%

 

[Jbranken]

Anavar is a relatively mild steroid but yes it's hepatoxic. To combat this, get a good liver guard like n2guard or forged liver and dose it a few hours after each anavar dose. You shouldnt experience any kind of liver issues like this. I think your friend had underlying problems or drank too much on cycle because its not common to experience liver issues like that. Dosing anavar ED will be fine, just cover your bases.

Aromasin is for estro control but like I said, you may not need it unless you're very gyno prone. I'd keep it on hand for sure but anavar isn't likely to cause gyno irritation unless you're just that prone.

The biggest problem I see is your bf% which is why it probably seems as though you have gyno without having used any steroids in the past. I suggest dropping your bf under 12% and then determining whether you have an actual gyno issue or just a puffy chest from high bf. and, you won't notice any of anavar's cutting properties at a high bf. the lower you get yor bf, the more you'll like the results. Not to mention it strains your organs more when using steroids, especially orals, at a higher bf.

 

[takii6]

I over estimated by bf%, just to be on the safe side, but I understand what you're saying. I have cuts on the top chest/shoulder, my back, my tris, and my legs have almost no fat on them, my gut, spare tire, and lower chest is where I have my bf issues. So from that, the nipple sensitivity, and the overall look I always just figured it was gyno. My biggest goal is strength gain, but it would be a bonus to see more cuts. Thanks again J.

 

[Xandoz]

Why don't you have testosterone in there? Anavar is nowhere near as good without testosterone.

 

[takii6]

Oh I don't dispute test would improve an anavar cycle, but it's a personal choice as this is the first steroid, supplement, or any of the above taken in my life. Depending how this cycle goes perhaps I will add test next time, but for now I want to see how I react to anavar only.

 

[dvoted]

Also put in clomid 25/25/25/25 for your PCT
and formastane will help with gyno issues,

 

[EZ_E]

Welcone to EF...yes you need to drop BF% first off....can you post your diet and training split

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm not sure how this a based of my teachings, but here goes.

There's absolutely no need for an anyi e with a anavar only cycle.

I do not believe in HCG throughout a cycle.

100 i.u/s is too litle, every day is too often.

60 mgs for 8 weeks is pushing it. Taking weekends off will weak havoc on your blood levels.

So all in all , it's not otimum. Why not keep it simple.

20 mgs of D-bol for 4 weeks along with N2GUARD and HCGen, Follow with UNLEASHED/POSTCYCLE.

 

[RADAR]

No need for an Ai Anavar does not aromatise

 

[takii6]

A lot of great help and advice, thanks again and I'm really glad I asked.
Here are answers to the questions and what I've gathered to change this cycle.
I went and had my BF% truly measured and I'm actually at 16%.
I don't have a strict diet as I am not a body builder. I play football so strength and size are my top priorities, cuts are just a nice bonus if they happen to come.
I've already received the Anavar and everything else I listed, so I'm going to go through with the Anavar this round. I've also ordered N2Guard to go along with it.
If I take the Anavar every day I will have enough for 60mgs for 40 days, which hopefully sounds better?
I've gathered I shouldn't need the Aromasin.
I'm still unclear though on the HCG, should I use it all all? If so, when and how much?

Nelson,
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I bought into the post cycle aspects of what you talk about. In terms of the use of different supplements vs nolva and the like.

 

[Lighter Fighter]

A lot of great help and advice, thanks again and I'm really glad I asked.
Here are answers to the questions and what I've gathered to change this cycle.
I went and had my BF% truly measured and I'm actually at 16%.
I don't have a strict diet as I am not a body builder. I play football so strength and size are my top priorities, cuts are just a nice bonus if they happen to come.
I've already received the Anavar and everything else I listed, so I'm going to go through with the Anavar this round. I've also ordered N2Guard to go along with it.
If I take the Anavar every day I will have enough for 60mgs for 40 days, which hopefully sounds better?
I've gathered I shouldn't need the Aromasin.
I'm still unclear though on the HCG, should I use it all all? If so, when and how much?

Nelson,
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I bought into the post cycle aspects of what you talk about. In terms of the use of different supplements vs nolva and the like.

If your goal is size and strength why did you choose var over dbol? Anavar does give alot of strength but you could of got that for 1/3 price and done dbol instead.

Also 60mg for 40 days aint shit, you're completely wasting your time and money, might as well not do it or just BUY MORE. it takes 3 weeks for the strength gains to peak and keeps getting better week after week, so 8-10 weeks is recommended.

As for hcg, no you dont need it, same with aromasin.

 

[takii6]

The biggest reason I choose Anavar is that it does not aromatise. The estrogen related side effects, and the multiple ways people deal with them, have always been a huge worry for me personally. The needle thing is definitely not my cup of tea either.
The price wasn't a huge concern for me. I'm not dropping, nor do I have, HGH money, but given my particular goals and fears I felt Anavar best suited me.
I understand you may think 60mgs isn't much, but keep in mind I have done NO supplement EVER. Nothing, nada. I have no idea what being 'on' anything feels like. I don't take pre workout stuff, just nothing period. I have read a lot of people loving results at 60mgs a day for a month. I am not going to overdue my first experience with any supplement in my life. I am definitely trying to err on the side of caution here. If I feel nothing then I feel nothing. No big deal, next time I'll try something else. I highly doubt I'll feel nothing, but I guess I'll have to just try it and find out for myself. Every body is different too, so we'll see.

 

[dvoted]

Better start of with lower doses and work your way up to see how your body reacts to substances rather then the opposite and screw up your system. We need more people with the less is more mentality, too many idiots "abusing' steroids and other substances rather than using. There is a difference.

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[takii6]

I'm not exactly sure why the background for dvoted's post is like that, I can guess, but I definitely agree with starting slow and not abusing or overusing steroids.

 

[dvoted]

I'm not exactly sure why the background for dvoted's post is like that, I can guess, but I definitely agree with starting slow and not abusing or overusing steroids.

Whats mi background like lol

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[takii6]

It's dark, really dark, and says "owned by the platinum members" all over. It looks like a wallpaper and it makes your text unreadable. I had to highlight your text, as if I were going to copy it, to read it.

 

[RADAR]

another good alternative to anavar is Tbol cheaper and good strength gains , hardening of muscles and it doesn't aromatise either.

 

[John McLane]

I'm not sure how this a based of my teachings, but here goes.

There's absolutely no need for an anyi e with a anavar only cycle.

I do not believe in HCG throughout a cycle.

100 i.u/s is too litle, every day is too often.

60 mgs for 8 weeks is pushing it. Taking weekends off will weak havoc on your blood levels.

So all in all , it's not otimum. Why not keep it simple.

20 mgs of D-bol for 4 weeks along with N2GUARD and HCGen, Follow with UNLEASHED/POSTCYCLE.

Nelson, do you really believe in a dbol only cycle? Surely the gains are really just water?

 

[AAP]

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with an oral only cycle for your first time. Too many people jump on a cycle of multiple things for their first experience and really waste all the future muscle building potential they could have had just by going slow and steady from the beginning.

Some things here (that have already been mentioned above)

Var won't aromatize. Legit var wont that is. Make sure you have the real deal and you are fine.

Being that it is mild, you should try for 60-90mg daily. And take it everyday. N2Guard will be all the liver protection you need. To be completely honest, it really isn't very toxic to the liver. Consider that that put HIV patients on it and they have suppressed immune systems and slow liver regeneration.

Add in Omega 3s. Don't worry about the Omega 6 and 9. You get plenty of those in your diet anyway. Focus on getting at least 8-10grams of Omega 3s every day. Carlsons and the Vitamin Shoppe brand are excellent. Just don't be fooled by what the overall mg amount is. It may say 1000mg on some of them, but it will end up being like 240/120mg of EPA/DHA and the rest will be called "other fish oils". You want the 8-10 grams per day to be in the form of EPA/DHA.

Take a baby aspirin every night before bed. Prior to bedtime is the best as studies have shown.

With your level of bodyfat, you should be focusing on dropping some bodyfat. Don't think of this as a "cutting" cycle (I hate that term) but rather you are going to be building muscle while reducing the body fat. Trust me, you will end up looking twice as big in the mirror than you would if you simply kept your bodyfat where it is now and focused on adding mass. A cookie cutter diet formula to start with and adjust to your response would be 50/20/30 for protein/carbs/fats for 3 days in a row and then a "replenish" day of 40/40/20 in order to flush the carbs in the muscles and keep you from flattening out.

Don't go crazy and over train. And don't neglect the cardio either. Your heart is a muscle too and it needs exercise as well.

 

[Jbranken]

If your goal is size and strength why did you choose var over dbol? Anavar does give alot of strength but you could of got that for 1/3 price and done dbol instead.

Also 60mg for 40 days aint shit, you're completely wasting your time and money, might as well not do it or just BUY MORE. it takes 3 weeks for the strength gains to peak and keeps getting better week after week, so 8-10 weeks is recommended.

As for hcg, no you dont need it, same with aromasin.

He plays football. I would imagine the pumps would be outrageous on dbol but anavar will do the same. Tbol never gave me pumps though. I'd prob choose it over anavar here

 

[takii6]

Thanks for all the great advice once again. It's nice to hear the "use but don't abuse" type of feedback.
I'm definitely not trying to lose a bunch of weight here, that would kill my career at my position.
I'll also look into Tbol for a possible 2nd cycle if I don't like the Anavar results.
Thanks!

 

[AAP]

If your Var is real, I think you will enjoy it over Tbol.