First Cycle Help/Advice

[bluehulk]

Hey guys, new to the forum here, but long time stalker...finally decided to make a post after educating myself over the months/years.

Stats: Age 31, 6'2, 205 lbs., roughly 12%-14% BF, lifting experience 9-10 years

Goals: lean muscle gains, stay over 200 lbs. while reducing BF to single digits.

I recently got my T checked and was at 368...shocker for me, wasn't expecting that! never would've thought I'd have those levels as I'm not showing any signs - other than lack of motivation for the past few months.

Other blood work came back fine, slightly high cholesterol, and BUN, nothing crazy, just started a new job a few months ago and diet was slightly off while adjusting to new schedule.

Other than that I am very disciplined. I'm a boxer as well, and my cardio is solid, but there's always room for improvement.

I have been back and forth on what my first cycle should be. I understand that no AAS is really going to take the extra fat I have off, and that will mostly come from diet, however, I have pretty shitty genetics for losing belly fat. The problem is, it's the last thing to go for me, so I end up losing TONS of muscle in the process.

For example, when I cut natty 2 years ago, I went from 210 to 165 to see my abs, ridiculous!

I'm in good shape right now, solid muscle with a slight layer of fat around my gut. My arms, chest, and back are pretty tight! back is even shredded I would say. The stomach really ruins the overall look of things though.

My goal is to put on some lean mass, while minimizing bloat, and trimming the excess fat around the belly-button area.

I have been entertaining the idea of tren + t, with tren being run slightly higher. I've read the countless posts about holding off on tren, but it seems to fit the bill very well here. I would be doing a very minimal dose, 37.5 ED, and T prop 28.5 ED for 8-10 weeks.

My main concern here is lack of pinning experience, and the tren cough + other potential sides have me worried, and I'm starting to understand why people recommend to wait.

Then I bounced around the idea of T + EQ, but I believe I wouldn't be running the EQ long enough for optimal results.

Which leaves me with T + Anavar. I think this may be best, but I'm here for some insight. What do you guys think? A maybe slightly higher than TRT dose of T400 (know I can get that) or T Prop, and about 60-75mg of var for 8 weeks.

I have HCGenerate, N2Guard, and Nolva on hand. HCG can be a possibility I think as well, but it makes me nervous due to lack of experience with it and would like to avoid it if possible.

In a nutshell, I am trying to run the LEAST amount of things possible, that includes for PCT as well. I'm sensitive to drugs, and using an AI on cycle, plus 2-3 different things after on my first go is just a lot to handle and I don't want to overly complicate things as I'm already very cautious and would like to eliminate everything that may not be necessary with a light first run such as this one. I understand that some may suggest just test, but I believe test + Anavar is more what I'm looking for in terms of results.

I have been feeling extremely sluggish lately, and that may be due to the low test...I used to tear up the gym natty, and since I hit 30, that intensity I use to have just isn't there. I'm looking for a real boost and to spend the holidays tighter and fuller than I've been in a long time.

Hopefully you guys can help me out and share your opinions.

If there's anything I left out that you need to know, please ask and I'll follow up.

Thanks to all,
BH

 

[bonacris]

My preference would be test and anavar. Test P can be a bit tough for a 1st cycle due to the frequent pinning. I much prefer test e. Is smooth as hell..

350mg test e a week for 12weeks
And 70-100mg of var for the last 6weeks is how I would run it..

How would your PCT look

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[buddhabuilder]

Do some searches in the forums on 1st cycle Test E examples. IMO, the most you would want to add would be an oral kicker. And definitely no Tren. Do some research and post up a cycle for critique. You'll learn more that way than having a bro design one from scratch for you.

 

[bluehulk]

My preference would be test and anavar. Test P can be a bit tough for a 1st cycle due to the frequent pinning. I much prefer test e. Is smooth as hell..

350mg test e a week for 12weeks
And 70-100mg of var for the last 6weeks is how I would run it..

How would your PCT look

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Would the test E cause noticeably more bloat? My diet will be extremely clean, I hear that has a lot to do with it as well. If you don't think the E will cause me to retain that much more water, then I'll look into it. T400 is also an option to me. Thanks again.

 

[bluehulk]

Do some searches in the forums on 1st cycle Test E examples. IMO, the most you would want to add would be an oral kicker. And definitely no Tren. Do some research and post up a cycle for critique. You'll learn more that way than having a bro design one from scratch for you.

Thanks, I will design one and post it up here as soon as possible.

 

[bluehulk]

cycle:
1-10: Test E @ 100mg EOD
1-10: Arimidex @ .25mg EOD
1-10 N2Guard 2 caps AM, 2 post workout, 3 PM

5-10: Var @ 75mg ED

7-10 HCGenerate

PCT:

13-15
Clomid 50\50\25\25
nolva 40\40\20\20
N2Guard 2 caps AM, 2 post workout, 3 PM


How does that look? Can I drop either Nolva or Clomid or should I run both, from what I've seen this may be overkill for a light cycle and because I am unsure how the sides from the Nolva or Clomid are going to affect me, slamming everything at once feels like a lot.

If my diet is in check, and at a deficit, can I expect little to no bloat? Really trying to up the cardio and keep the mass I have, which is my whole reason for going this route (and the low T levels of course). If I tried to shred down natty, I'd be 160 lbs and depressed like I was before. For some reason my body just strips everything it can before burning the fat around my waist.

How about the T400 as opposed to P or E? Might be easier for me to get a hold of that, also Nolva will be easier than Clomid as well but I can try.


Any additions, subtractions, or substitutions are greatly appreciated.

-BH

 

[bonacris]

With an AI you shouldnt bloat.. T400 can have some wicked PIP thats the only reason I suggested test e.. I would rather aromasin than adex on cycle and in pct..

Pct I would do would be as follows

Hcgenerate
Unleashed
Clomid
Aromasin
DAA if you like. Its cheap so why not

Also if you do go for test e you only need it say monday and thurs. No need for eod pinning. Gets tiresome after a while

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[bluehulk]

With an AI you shouldnt bloat.. T400 can have some wicked PIP thats the only reason I suggested test e.. I would rather aromasin than adex on cycle and in pct..

Pct I would do would be as follows

Hcgenerate
Unleashed
Clomid
Aromasin
DAA if you like. Its cheap so why not

Also if you do go for test e you only need it say monday and thurs. No need for eod pinning. Gets tiresome after a while

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Thanks, yea, heard the same about the T400.

So you think I should drop the Nolva for PCT (but have on hand in case of Gyno)?

Unleashed is out of stock

OK, Monday and Thurs sounds good for pinning. 175mg on each of those days then 350mg/week

Sub the adex for aromasin? Sounds like aromasin is less harsh on the lipids, which sounds good to me.

I've also read that I may want to hold out on an AI with such a low dose of T, as in may hinder my gains if estrogen is too low.

Thanks again for the help!

 

[Sakari]

I'm running anavar and test e right now. In week 8. 300 mg test e pw and 80 mg anavar. Started the anavar at week six. Taking .25 mg adex eod. No sides from anything except minor chest acne. It's my first cycle... All is going well so far. Nice strength gain and fat loss in calorie deficit and put on 7 or 8 pounds of muscle. It's an easy cycle. Your diet will be key

 

[liffalot]

Hey guys, new to the forum here, but long time stalker...finally decided to make a post after educating myself over the months/years.

Stats: Age 31, 6'2, 205 lbs., roughly 12%-14% BF, lifting experience 9-10 years

Goals: lean muscle gains, stay over 200 lbs. while reducing BF to single digits.

I recently got my T checked and was at 368...shocker for me, wasn't expecting that! never would've thought I'd have those levels as I'm not showing any signs - other than lack of motivation for the past few months.

Other blood work came back fine, slightly high cholesterol, and BUN, nothing crazy, just started a new job a few months ago and diet was slightly off while adjusting to new schedule.

Other than that I am very disciplined. I'm a boxer as well, and my cardio is solid, but there's always room for improvement.

I have been back and forth on what my first cycle should be. I understand that no AAS is really going to take the extra fat I have off, and that will mostly come from diet, however, I have pretty shitty genetics for losing belly fat. The problem is, it's the last thing to go for me, so I end up losing TONS of muscle in the process.

For example, when I cut natty 2 years ago, I went from 210 to 165 to see my abs, ridiculous!

I'm in good shape right now, solid muscle with a slight layer of fat around my gut. My arms, chest, and back are pretty tight! back is even shredded I would say. The stomach really ruins the overall look of things though.

My goal is to put on some lean mass, while minimizing bloat, and trimming the excess fat around the belly-button area.

I have been entertaining the idea of tren + t, with tren being run slightly higher. I've read the countless posts about holding off on tren, but it seems to fit the bill very well here. I would be doing a very minimal dose, 37.5 ED, and T prop 28.5 ED for 8-10 weeks.

My main concern here is lack of pinning experience, and the tren cough + other potential sides have me worried, and I'm starting to understand why people recommend to wait.

Then I bounced around the idea of T + EQ, but I believe I wouldn't be running the EQ long enough for optimal results.

Which leaves me with T + Anavar. I think this may be best, but I'm here for some insight. What do you guys think? A maybe slightly higher than TRT dose of T400 (know I can get that) or T Prop, and about 60-75mg of var for 8 weeks.

I have HCGenerate, N2Guard, and Nolva on hand. HCG can be a possibility I think as well, but it makes me nervous due to lack of experience with it and would like to avoid it if possible.

In a nutshell, I am trying to run the LEAST amount of things possible, that includes for PCT as well. I'm sensitive to drugs, and using an AI on cycle, plus 2-3 different things after on my first go is just a lot to handle and I don't want to overly complicate things as I'm already very cautious and would like to eliminate everything that may not be necessary with a light first run such as this one. I understand that some may suggest just test, but I believe test + Anavar is more what I'm looking for in terms of results.

I have been feeling extremely sluggish lately, and that may be due to the low test...I used to tear up the gym natty, and since I hit 30, that intensity I use to have just isn't there. I'm looking for a real boost and to spend the holidays tighter and fuller than I've been in a long time.

Hopefully you guys can help me out and share your opinions.

If there's anything I left out that you need to know, please ask and I'll follow up.

Thanks to all,
BH

I would probably just run some Test E standalone, or potentially with a 4-6 week Winstrol or Anavar kickstart. That will take care of your problem with drug sensitivity and cover all of your bases for what you're trying to do. Other options to look at would be Test Prop or Proviron I would think. Anyway there are plenty of good threads on Test based first cycles out there that you can look up.

Definitely steer clear of Tren for a first cycle - it can be pretty nasty for newer users.

For PCT you'll need a full one - you'll want to use Clomid and Arimidex for sure alongside a natty test booster like Unleashed or HCGenerate. I always use OSTA as a PCT staple because its a miracle worker - you can find it here www.sarms1.com . Other than that look into some other good PCT supplement and just remember that PCT is the most important part of a cycle.

Good luck!

 

[bluehulk]

I'm running anavar and test e right now. In week 8. 300 mg test e pw and 80 mg anavar. Started the anavar at week six. Taking .25 mg adex eod. No sides from anything except minor chest acne. It's my first cycle... All is going well so far. Nice strength gain and fat loss in calorie deficit and put on 7 or 8 pounds of muscle. It's an easy cycle. Your diet will be key

Thanks, would you mind sharing what your diet looks like? Those results sounds great and it definitely in the area of what I'm looking for! Thanks.

BH

 

[Sakari]

I'm in training for a physique competition. I am about 5'10 and weigh about 188. Below is my current diet... You will prob need more calories and a bit more carbs since you are bigger than I am. Hope this helps.


<br />
<br />
Meal<br />
<br />
1. 1 cup oatmeal w/1/2 scoop whey<br />
6 egg whites. 2 yolks. <br />
<br />
2. 4 oz chicken breast ( deli meat for now) small scoop almond butter<br />
<br />
3. 5 oz Chicken breast, 1 cup quinoa, and small scoop almond butter<br />
<br />
4. 1/2 scoop whey 3 oz chicken breast 1/2 slice Ezekiel bread<br />
<br />
WORKOUT <br />
<br />
5. 1 scoop whey<br />
2 scoops afterglow<br />
<br />
6. Lean beef, chicken or fish 5oz<br />
1/2 cupBrown rice or quinoa <br />
Avocado or almond butter for fat ( unless I have beef). <br />
<br />
7. Cassien 2 scoops. with almond butter for fat.<br />
<br />
<br />
I'd say 275g average protein, 80-120g carb and 40-60 g fat.<br />
<br />
I add a little carbs if I feel flat or tired or take them away if I begin to hold water or look too full. I'm somewhat sensitive to carbs so I'm careful. I also back off some on all macros on Sunday which is a rest day.<br />
<br />
BCAA's, multiple vitamin, fish oil..etc <br />
<br />

 

[bluehulk]

I'm in training for a physique competition. I am about 5'10 and weigh about 188. Below is my current diet... You will prob need more calories and a bit more carbs since you are bigger than I am. Hope this helps.


<br />
<br />
Meal<br />
<br />
1. 1 cup oatmeal w/1/2 scoop whey<br />
6 egg whites. 2 yolks. <br />
<br />
2. 4 oz chicken breast ( deli meat for now) small scoop almond butter<br />
<br />
3. 5 oz Chicken breast, 1 cup quinoa, and small scoop almond butter<br />
<br />
4. 1/2 scoop whey 3 oz chicken breast 1/2 slice Ezekiel bread<br />
<br />
WORKOUT <br />
<br />
5. 1 scoop whey<br />
2 scoops afterglow<br />
<br />
6. Lean beef, chicken or fish 5oz<br />
1/2 cupBrown rice or quinoa <br />
Avocado or almond butter for fat ( unless I have beef). <br />
<br />
7. Cassien 2 scoops. with almond butter for fat.<br />
<br />
<br />
I'd say 275g average protein, 80-120g carb and 40-60 g fat.<br />
<br />
I add a little carbs if I feel flat or tired or take them away if I begin to hold water or look too full. I'm somewhat sensitive to carbs so I'm careful. I also back off some on all macros on Sunday which is a rest day.<br />
<br />
BCAA's, multiple vitamin, fish oil..etc <br />
<br />

Thanks man, much appreciated.

 

[bluehulk]

looks like T Cyp will be easier to come by for me over Test E, you guys see anything wrong with that? 400mg weekly? Won't be able to do aromasin, only adex...thoughts? Thanks.

Looking to start within 2 weeks.

Nolva, Clomid, HCGenerate, N2Guard is what I can have on hand for PCT, HCG can be an option, but as I was saying, I would like to use the least amount of things possible...if I can do HCG and just nolva, or just clomid that could work. Just trying to keep it as simple as possible on my first go.

Test C and Var and Arimidex for cycle, if any of you guys could help clean up the cycle I posted on page 1, it would be greatly appreciated.

Do I need to ease in to the Var? work my way up to 50mg+? Thanks again, you guys rock.

 

[Sakari]

Do same dose of var from start to finish. Test C is close to Test E with a slightly longer ester. I think Adex is fine... It is still probably used in more cycles than any other ai. It may be the weakest of the ai's -- but it is still very strong. Start it from day one and until you start PCT. Good luck man... Hope it goes well for ya.

 

[bluehulk]

Do same dose of var from start to finish. Test C is close to Test E with a slightly longer ester. I think Adex is fine... It is still probably used in more cycles than any other ai. It may be the weakest of the ai's -- but it is still very strong. Start it from day one and until you start PCT. Good luck man... Hope it goes well for ya.

Thanks brother.

so cycle will be as follows:

cycle:
1-10: Test C @ 400mg/week
1-10: Arimidex @ .25mg EOD
1-10 N2Guard 2 caps AM, 2 post workout, 3 PM

5-10: Var @ 50-75mg ED (will adjust accordingly)

7-10 HCGenerate

PCT:

13-15
Clomid 50\50\25\25
Nolva 40\40\20\20
Osta? (still undecided)
N2Guard 2 caps AM, 2 post workout, 3 PM


HCG is available, however, I would prefer to use this in PCT, or as a blast and not on cycle.

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Do any of you believe I should hold out for Test Prop to minimize any water retention? I'm reallllly not trying to bloat. Have heard reports of bloat on C vs. E, and that P would be ideal with cutting in mind.

 

[Sakari]

No. I'm down to 6-7 percent bf with no bloat with test e. Your diet will determine bloat and adex will eliminate it if needed. If you get slightly bloated or experience other sides, like itchy nips--up the adex. I'm lighter than you and doing 80mg pd on anavar. Just stop the test 2weeks prior to PCT. I think it's a great cycke you have. Just don't mess up the diet and you will look better throughout.

 

[bluehulk]

Thanks again man.

This would be Test C though, seems like a slightly longer ester...would PCT start at the same time as E?

 

[Sakari]

Yes. Start PCT 2 weeks after last pin. Ester is only a day or two longer... No biggie

 

[bluehulk]

Hey all, need some more advice here, apparently the only available adex would be 1mg caps...what should I do about that? split it up? space out dosing? confused here, not trying to make my own caps really...thanks again! a friend is suggesting that i pyramid with T, etc. is that just dinosaur talk or should I take it into consideration? looking to get this show on the road once I figure out what to do about adex and other caps (clomid, nolva, etc.) was hoping they would be tabs

 

[bluehulk]

also, would I be taking the .25 adex EoD starting with first pin? thanks

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'll keep it simple.

There's no sense doing test P. Use a long ester like cyp or enth.

A first cycle should be no longer than 6 weeks.

If you;re sensitive to drugs, don't use nolva.

UNLEASHED is a must. It is in stock at www.mrsupps.com

 

[bluehulk]

I'll keep it simple.

There's no sense doing test P. Use a long ester like cyp or enth.

A first cycle should be no longer than 6 weeks.

If you;re sensitive to drugs, don't use nolva.

Thanks for the reply, however i mentioned in the thread that I was going with Cyp. Thanks again, I'll look in to unleashed. What do you recommend over Nolva? thanks.

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks for the reply, however i mentioned in the thread that I was going with Cyp. Thanks again, I'll look in to unleashed. What do you recommend over Nolva? thanks.

You are on the right track to having everything worked out, but your PCT really needs work to ensure the best and fastest route to recovery that will allow you to keep and retain the most gains. Let me lay it out for you. Here are the best recommendations for PCT bro:

Optimal PCT for best recovery:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AG Guys)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see signature for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (sarms1)


Another effective PCT:

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AG Guys)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Unleashed (NTBM or MR Supps)
Test Infusion (MR Supps)
Forged Methyl EAA (MR Supps or NTBM)
Ostarine 25mg per day (sarms1)

Use RickRock10 at NTBM for 10% off

 

[dylangemelli]

yes, start your ai from the start... i highly recommend using gw-501516 on cycle as well

 

[liffalot]

All good suggestions. Using some sarms1 OSTA in PCT is a must and some GW on cycle never hurts.