First Cycle....Advice, comments appreciated

[shaitan28]

Ok first me, 6 foot even, 215lbs, decent build, lil extra body fat about 18%.

My friend is recommending my first cycle as

10 weeks of 200mg to 250mg Testosterone-Enanthate

Possibly 4 weeks of 20mg D-bol in the beggining

then of course my pct

First time cycle, to the vets out there here you go round 2 bust my ass.

 

[GetBig10]

are you trying to lsoe bf... and to tell you ti will add to you bf...well depends on how you diet but...if you want to. drop the bf...winstrol instaed of...dbol

 

[turbogreek]

do test only for the first time. keep the dbol fort your second. you should see how you're body reacts to test (sides etc) before you start stacking. if you see sides first time around and are stacking...then you won't know what which compound is causing them.

test @250mg/week for 10 weeks is a great start.

 

[turbogreek]

test @250mg/week for 10 weeks is a great start.

oh and what does your PCT look like?

also...you may wanna keep nolva on hand too just in case of itchy nipples and i would also start taking finasteride a couple of weeks preior just in case of hairline problems.

i'd say take an AI for the gyno or bloat but it may be overkill at those doses...but then again...beter safe than sorry. thats up to you.

 

[shaitan28]

OK I will have to get back to you all on the specifics of my PCT. My friend is guiding me, infact he has told me to come here with his advice.

Anything I cna take to add in body fat reduction even if it comes at the sacrifice of some gains.

Don't anybody say diet either. Read my other thread I cover my diet and it isn't that bad.

Some one said to take winstrol instead of D-bol.....why?????

 

[shoestring2]

do test only for the first time. keep the dbol fort your second. you should see how you're body reacts to test (sides etc) before you start stacking. if you see sides first time around and are stacking...then you won't know what which compound is causing them.

test @250mg/week for 10 weeks is a great start.

listen to da greeeek

 

[caravan]

This is also my first cycle. I would suggest 500 to 600 mgs of test per week not 250. I'm on 600 mgs of test cyp per week and the results are amazing with correct diet and proper training. I'm on week 8 and still holding BF around 18%, but I can tell I'm losing the BF very rapidly, and I'm not doing cardio. I cant fuckin wait until week 16!!!! Which is also how long I suggest the duration of your first cycle should be. GET some clomid ready for PCT after 2 weeks of cessation of your cycle. Also Time on equals time off.

Correct me if I'm wrong pro's

 

[turbogreek]

listen to da greeeek

 

[ninesecz]

hey caravan why would you suggest 600mg for first cycle?? and if it is your 1st cycle how do you know that you would not hve made just as good of gains from 250-300mg every week dont go suggesting things to 1st timers if it is your 1st time!! and 16 weeks is way to long for 1st cycle!! you might be getting great gains but think about if you ever want to do another... you are going to have to do over a gram aweek. i have done 3 or 4 test cycles and still only using 500mg of test e slow down before you hurt your body! more is not always better

 

[blut wump]

Do some research on the process of HPTA shutdown and you'll accept that 16 weeks is silly for a first-timer. It'll require a lot more aggressive PCT than an 8-12 weeker.

From what I remember, the stages of shutdown come in at 3, 8 and 12 weeks. After 12 weeks, the whole system can be considered dormant. These figures obviously aren't hard and fast: they may vary between individuals, to some extent, and between compounds. They are good guidelines when planning a cycle and its duration, though.

 

[shaitan28]

Man I love this site. I have got some killer feedback. My friend was right in recommending this site.

I was thinking of adding clenbuterol as a cutting agent with this cycle. what do you guys think of this? Should I do it or should I wait and go on it during my pct as a way to both shed some pounds and maybe push the extra bloat out of my system?

Also some one suggested winstrol instead or d-bol anyone know why?

 

[njmuscleguy]

First of all... as already stated, don't run your first cycle for 16 weeks... that's just crazy... 8-10 weeks is plenty... as for dosage, 250mg/wk isn't bad... it's hard to say how big your gains would be off that kind of dosage.... you can always bump up a bit a few weeks into your cycle.... forget dbol and more so, forget winstrol... always keep your first cycle SIMPLE... as for cutting, DO NOT look to AAS for you to lose that extra bodyfat.... you're gonna have to hear it again, DIET is what's going to get you there... most will tell you to trim down a bit more and THEN start your cycle, this way you can better see your results....otherwise your have muscle covered by fat... that's a waste. I haven't seen your diet so I can't comment on it... but diet is what's going to make you either bulk or cut up....Also, no need to finasteride unless you know you need it... unless you know you have hairloss problems. It is a good idea to have an AI on hand to keep estrogen sides down. Any more questions, just ask!

 

[black sheep]

This is your first cycle - take advantage of it. This one will yelid you the most gains the fastest, if done correctly.

I wish each of my cycles was like my first - if it was I would look like Jay Cutler. Here is what I suggest you do.

Test (I prefer sust, but Test E or Test C will work just fine) 400-500mg / week for 10 weeks.

Week 1-10 Test 400-500mg/week
Week 1-15 Arimidex .5mg ED
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ed
Week 14-15 Clomid 50mg ed

Dont worry about cutting BF - use this cycle to grow muscle. Wait until you finish this cycle then chisel your new body. Remember that your diet/training/rest is 80% of your cycle, the gear is only 20%. Up your calories and protein intake - research diet before you get started.

 

[SwolK]

black sheep has it layed out for you....

and keep doing your own research, dont just take your friends word for it

 

[shaitan28]

my diet goes like this

Small bowl of cereal, skim milk 6am

workout

20g of whey protein shake 9:30am

one slice whole wheat bread folded with 2 slices of turkey, chicken, turkey ham 11am

one slice whole wheat bread folded with 2 slices of turkey, chicken, turkey ham 12:30pm

one slice whole wheat bread folded with 2 slices of turkey, chicken, turkey ham 2pm

one slice whole wheat bread folded with 2 slices of turkey, chicken, turkey ham 3:30pm

one slice whole wheat bread folded with 2 slices of turkey, chicken, turkey ham 5pm

one slice whole wheat bread folded with 2 slices of turkey, chicken, turkey ham 6:30pm

Apple, grapes, cherry's some fruit added to one of those

Dinner chicken breast, cod, salmon, lean cut pork, or 96 lean beef, with brocolli, cauliflower, carrots, and some whole weat pasta or red potatoes.

Current supplements, 3 CLA pills a day, 2 mega men sport, green teea extract, flax seed oil, ZMA at night, fiber pill, ephedrine

Once on cycle going to up protein shakes

 

[black sheep]

Drop the processed meats - high in sodium.


You need REAL meats - eat 8oz lean meat - cut eating down to 6 times a day - get in 2lbs of lean meat a day. Do more research!

 

[20ss02]

This is your first cycle - take advantage of it. This one will yelid you the most gains the fastest, if done correctly.

I wish each of my cycles was like my first - if it was I would look like Jay Cutler. Here is what I suggest you do.

Test (I prefer sust, but Test E or Test C will work just fine) 400-500mg / week for 10 weeks.

Week 1-10 Test 400-500mg/week
Week 1-15 Arimidex .5mg ED
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ed
Week 14-15 Clomid 50mg ed

Dont worry about cutting BF - use this cycle to grow muscle. Wait until you finish this cycle then chisel your new body. Remember that your diet/training/rest is 80% of your cycle, the gear is only 20%. Up your calories and protein intake - research diet before you get started.

This is solid advice! 500mg/week of test is a great first cycle, and the lowest dose I would personally consider.

 

[shaitan28]

ok I see everyone is either saying 250mg or 500mg. I am just curious why not cut it down the middle and go with something like 350 or 400mg. I am worried about aggresion. My wife and I have an agreement that if I have a severe change in mood she will flush it all and divorce my ass. What do you guys think.

On a side note I did some research on this AIFM and if I am reading right a big ingredient in it is DHEA. Would this help as an AI?

 

[caravan]

hey caravan why would you suggest 600mg for first cycle?? and if it is your 1st cycle how do you know that you would not hve made just as good of gains from 250-300mg every week dont go suggesting things to 1st timers if it is your 1st time!! and 16 weeks is way to long for 1st cycle!! you might be getting great gains but think about if you ever want to do another... you are going to have to do over a gram aweek. i have done 3 or 4 test cycles and still only using 500mg of test e slow down before you hurt your body! more is not always better

Thanks for the virtual bitchslap, and correction. This my freind is what is called brainstorming dynamics! and should help this fellow one timer too.

This is why I love this site!

Alright.... {sigh}....I'll cut it down to 12 weeks. But I'm still gonna do 600mgs per week. ARRRRRRRRRRRRR me harty!

 

[gettnlarge01]

ok I see everyone is either saying 250mg or 500mg. I am just curious why not cut it down the middle and go with something like 350 or 400mg. I am worried about aggresion. My wife and I have an agreement that if I have a severe change in mood she will flush it all and divorce my ass. What do you guys think.

On a side note I did some research on this AIFM and if I am reading right a big ingredient in it is DHEA. Would this help as an AI?

Use the 250mg/wk its your FIRST CYCLE not your only cycle you need time to how your body will react good or bad. What you learn from this cycle will make your 2nd cycle that much better don"t rush it!! Drop the processed crap you need real chicken breast,turkey,steaks get some real meat in your diet you will be amazed at the change in your body. CONGRATS on being man enough not to hide it from your wife this will make planning out shots,meals,training soo much easier.

 

[20ss02]

ok I see everyone is either saying 250mg or 500mg. I am just curious why not cut it down the middle and go with something like 350 or 400mg. I am worried about aggresion. My wife and I have an agreement that if I have a severe change in mood she will flush it all and divorce my ass. What do you guys think.

On a side note I did some research on this AIFM and if I am reading right a big ingredient in it is DHEA. Would this help as an AI?

There are two predominant schools of thought on this board.

Some believe in starting out with low doses. The assertion is that you will make solid gains, and have the ability to assess how your body will react.

Others believe in starting with higher doses. The assertion is that your first cycle will be your best and you only have one shot at it.

I'm a member of the latter school of thought. My first cycle was Sust at 750mg/week, EQ at 400mg/week and Dbol at 40mg/day (first 4 weeks only). I frontloaded with 1 gram of sust for the first 2 weeks.

It's up to you - there are compelling arguments from both sides. Take some time and search this forum. You will find many people who regret not using higher doses on their first cycle, but I've yet to read about anyone who wishes they used lower doses.

Either way - welcome, and good luck!

 

[shaitan28]

ok I am thinking of starting out at 250mg then after week 4 or 5 if I/we(my friend) don't see the gains he expects, and if I take well to the test I may go 500mg for the last half of the cycle. The 250mg will be shot weekly on Fridays. I can get my first shot from my friend, then be supervised on my shots till I get comfortable. If I go 250 I would break it up to every 4 days 250mg, right?

I have been reading onther threads in my research, not planning on doing a cycle till after Xmas, I travel way to much for WVU football,GO MOUNTAINEERS. They say that Test eth takes up to 4 or 5 weeks to start working, will it continue to show benefits after the cycle is ended, given the 10 day half life, it should be in the system for a few weeks after the end of my cycle, right?

 

[blut wump]

4.5-day half-life. You want to be into your PCT 10-14 days after the last shot at that kind of dose.

 

[The Godfather]

Muscular Development (MD) did an article saying you need 300mg of Test to activate Satellite cells, which causes an increase in muscle cells, not just existing muscle cell size like with normal steroid use. Food for Thought, bump the 250 to 300mg just to be safe

 

[black sheep]

You will get gains on 250 - But 500 is the sweet spot for 1st cycle. I told you before - take advantage of #1 and do it right.

 

[h_rock]

Ok first me, 6 foot even, 215lbs, decent build, lil extra body fat about 18%.

My friend is recommending my first cycle as

10 weeks of 200mg to 250mg Testosterone-Enanthate

Possibly 4 weeks of 20mg D-bol in the beggining

then of course my pct

First time cycle, to the vets out there here you go round 2 bust my ass.

Run Primo Var for 8-10 weeks. lose fats, get more definition. Do your PCT. get the blood work done. you will be keeping most of you gains permanently. I dont have experience with test or Dbol yet to say anything here.

 

[shaitan28]

Run Primo Var for 8-10 weeks. lose fats, get more definition. Do your PCT. get the blood work done. you will be keeping most of you gains permanently. I dont have experience with test or Dbol yet to say anything here.

I like this site a lot but you guys and your uses of shorthand kills me. What the hell is Primo Var?

 

[blut wump]

'Primo' - Primobolan or Primobol, also known as methenolone enanthate

'Var' - Anavar, also known as oxandrolone

Look them up. They are, maybe, the two most expensive steroids.