First Actual cycle, Tren, Test, Winny

[RaisenTheLimits]

Hey everyone, so im planning my first cycle, I ran winny once before for 6 weeks and got awsome! results actually. I am 6'0 at 190 lb. Ive got roughly around 14% BF and am looking go really cutt up with lean quality mass. So this is going to be my next cycle, im really looking forward to it. Let me know what you guys think.

weeks 1-6 tren acetate 75 mg EOD

weeks 1-8 test prop 100 mg EOD

weeks 3-8 winstrol- stanozolol 50 EOD

weeks 1-8 proviron 50 mg ED


PCT - post cycle therapy -

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - wk 6-8 1500iu mon/wen/fri
(Ive also read you should use HCG during cycle like on wednesdays and sundays @ 50iu weeks 1-8? is this needed if i will be running proviron? no huh. And what about running Nolv. through out the cycle? any word on that?

three days after last injection
week 1 40mg of Nolvaldex ED
week 2 20mg of Nolvaldex ED
week 3 20mg of Nolvaldex ED

Also anyone know where to get propecia? so i dont lose my hair? it runs in the family severly! is it ONLY through doctor?

Any suggestions as far as running the winny as well? if i want quality lean mass, should i start winney in week 1?
thanks guys! Lookin forward to your comments!

 

[eddymerckx]

bad bad bad.

tren for a 1st cycle is wrong

 

[Selfcentor]

bad bad bad

Why you trying to do like 20 steroids in one of your first cycle??

Test and winny or just test

Something simple but effective

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

bad bad bad.

tren for a 1st cycle is wrong

hmmm really?

Its to much huh?

Ive also got Anavar, i would be able to run that @ 50mg a day, so instead of tren and winney, Anavar and test sounds good. What you think bout that combo? Im open for allllll suggestions, really appretiate it guys, THX!

 

[eddymerckx]

test and anavar is fine for a first cycle-

if you want to cut up, the prop +the var is perfect or as selfcentor say prop and winny (b/c you have used it before)

and I also agree with selfcentor--i really like test only for #1

save the tren for way down the road.

 

[motorol@]

sounds like you're going balls out on the first run. I'd keep it simple. Test only, then adjust and base your second cycle on how you reacted.

 

[23CALIBRO]

bad bad bad.

tren for a 1st cycle is wrong

+1

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

Haha i guess cuzz my homeboys all go balls out, i should deff, play it safe though. thanks but wow you guys are QUICK! thanks so much, so its either prop on its own, or prop and var, or prop and winny...u guys say keep it simple....might have to just run the prop.THANKS ALOT! anything else is welcome..

 

[eddymerckx]

Haha i guess cuzz my homeboys all go balls out, i should deff, play it safe though. thanks but wow you guys are QUICK! thanks so much, so its either prop on its own, or prop and var, or prop and winny...u guys say keep it simple....might have to just run the prop.THANKS ALOT! anything else is welcome..

its a marathon not a sprint bro and if you take our advice--in five years the you will be healthy and see the balls out bros in your rear view mirror

 

[perryscoon]

LoL @ tren for a first cycle. You may never touch steroids again if thats your first experience.

 

[Selfcentor]

test and anavar is fine for a first cycle-

if you want to cut up, the prop +the var is perfect or as selfcentor say prop and winny (b/c you have used it before)

and I also agree with selfcentor--i really like test only for #1

save the tren for way down the road.

Thanks bro. You have helped me in the past so trying to help him out. But im also a firm beleiver in start small and eventully go big

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

thanks to all you guys, i cant express my appreciation for people that actually have the decency to spend there time to help others. so now i just have to think about running the prop by its self or with the winney or the var. Either way it seems pretty mild but DEFF! a good start that will probably humble the shit out of me. Im thinkin more along the lines of the var though because this winney i used actually didnt cut me up as much as i expected, actually it was quiet wierd, actually packed 11 pounds (prob due to diet) on and kept roughly around 7 of it. Did see a some deffinition change, but very mild seemed to retain some water.my abs deff did improve though.which do you believe would be optimum for cutting? more along the lines of anavar with the prop? I plan on restricting my diet accordingly, with lots of cardio implemented into my daily routine.
I currently lift monday through friday, and run 3-4 times a week for 30 minutes and also on sundays.
schedule:
Monday:Chest, tap out tries
Tuesday:back tap out bies
Wednesday:quads and calves
thursday:Hams and shoulders
Friday: bies and tries.
abs 3-4 times a week with cardio 3-4 times a week, counting sunday.

 

[Nelson Montana]

A mess.

Too many compounds.

Tren is the wrong call.

Using nolva with tren will be a disaster.

You can't possibly need nolva with winny and proviron. They can not aromatize.

Do more research bro.

 

[eddymerckx]

thanks to all you guys, i cant express my appreciation for people that actually have the decency to spend there time to help others. so now i just have to think about running the prop by its self or with the winney or the var. Either way it seems pretty mild but DEFF! a good start that will probably humble the shit out of me. Im thinkin more along the lines of the var though because this winney i used actually didnt cut me up as much as i expected, actually it was quiet wierd, actually packed 11 pounds (prob due to diet) on and kept roughly around 7 of it. Did see a some deffinition change, but very mild seemed to retain some water.my abs deff did improve though.which do you believe would be optimum for cutting? more along the lines of anavar with the prop? I plan on restricting my diet accordingly, with lots of cardio implemented into my daily routine.
I currently lift monday through friday, and run 3-4 times a week for 30 minutes and also on sundays.
schedule:
Monday:Chest, tap out tries
Tuesday:back tap out bies
Wednesday:quads and calves
thursday:Hams and shoulders
Friday: bies and tries.
abs 3-4 times a week with cardio 3-4 times a week, counting sunday.

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I gifted you a plat for a week to do a lot of searches--and just ask that if you like what you see--an you will, that you consider a plat for yourself.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I would recomend a test only cycle as your first one, and lots of research.
How old are you bro?

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

I would recomend a test only cycle as your first one, and lots of research.
How old are you bro?

Im 23, Yea i thought id need the proviron for the test, but i guess i should be doing more research, i guess i was WAY off, jesus! thanks so much guys honestly if i could shake your hands i would. Hat goes off to you all.

And as far as for eddy, man thank you so much man, i will deff. get the plat. membership man i DEF! owe it to you brother. Thanks again.

 

[wzkid]

Hey everyone, so im planning my first cycle, I ran winny once before for 6 weeks and got awsome! results actually. I am 6'0 at 190 lb. Ive got roughly around 14% BF and am looking go really cutt up with lean quality mass. So this is going to be my next cycle, im really looking forward to it. Let me know what you guys think.

weeks 1-6 tren acetate 75 mg EOD

weeks 1-8 test prop 100 mg EOD

weeks 3-8 winstrol- stanozolol 50 EOD

weeks 1-8 proviron 50 mg ED


PCT - post cycle therapy -

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - wk 6-8 1500iu mon/wen/fri
(Ive also read you should use HCG during cycle like on wednesdays and sundays @ 50iu weeks 1-8? is this needed if i will be running proviron? no huh. And what about running Nolv. through out the cycle? any word on that?

three days after last injection
week 1 40mg of Nolvaldex ED
week 2 20mg of Nolvaldex ED
week 3 20mg of Nolvaldex ED

Also anyone know where to get propecia? so i dont lose my hair? it runs in the family severly! is it ONLY through doctor?

Any suggestions as far as running the winny as well? if i want quality lean mass, should i start winney in week 1?
thanks guys! Lookin forward to your comments!

Hell get rid of the proviron, and that is my exact same first cycle. My diet didnt have enough calories so I didnt get too much size but, I cut up rather nice on those doses.

Good Luck Bro

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

wow really? well good to know man thank you, but yea i still think i might just stick to the test for my first time although i have ran winny with great results, loved it but joint problems deff came along with it.Im pretty sure ive got tendinitis like a MOFO but out of curiosity what was your PCT like wzkid? thx again for your post!

 

[wzkid]

Pretty uneventful because of the low doses and I used HCG @250iu EOD throughout the cycle. Used nolva @40/40/20/20 along with Derma Original during PCT and recovered nice. Was on for about 12 wks total so took off exactly 12 wks and hopped back on at a little higher dose. Im on Number 3 right now and still loving it!

 

[wzkid]

i still think i might just stick to the test for my first time

Smart move by the way. Remember that as time goes on you will learn so much more than you know now about gear. You made need that knowledge before you start incorporating harsh stuff like tren.

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

thanks bro, greatly appreciated! Dam its a good think i didnt stock up on the tren, and proviron, All ive got in stock as of now is the winney and the Var. those will be set aside. No biggie, thanks alot guys, joinging this forum was probably one of the smartest decisions ive made this whole year lol! I owe it to them, and you all, i gotta get platinum. Got a week free!! your the man eddy!

 

[needtogetaas]

Can we get some more info about you? Also I would not go with winny ether It can really fuck up your hdl/ldl. Just go with test and var.

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

Well im 23 years old, been lifting for bout 4 years consistently. My diet will be pretty much stay the same as it is now which is I eat roughly around 4 times a day with protein 2 hours after breakfast, and right after training. bout 40g each shake. i want to put on quality mass, but with lean results. I weight roughly at about 190 lbs, at 6 foot. eat fish and chicken and thats ALL pretty much other than brown rice and veggies. Breakfast is either protein shake in my cereal, or bout 5 egg whites and one whole egg. My family does have HDL/LDL problems in out genetics. My pops was a bodybuilder and lifted for the first 30 years of his life, hes really my insperation, except he didnt gear up haha. He had a heart attack at age 55 but was very mild, he actually walked out to the ambulance, he just knew somethin was up. His LDL is high and HDL was low, so i need to watch my self! i did winstrol by its self you think that could have had some negative effects on me when ran by itsself? or do you mean winstrol with prop is bad news for HDL/LDL? i want to run my anavar with the test just because my buddy takin the same prop as i will, and hes bloatin up!! haha, any suggestions for what to run with prop and var, to minimize water retention, and possible est. problems?
hope this helps, if you have any specific questions plz ask. thanks brother, take care.

BTW i got a full blood screening bout 9 months ago and everything was perfect. BUT im still very concerned about that. Thanks!

 

[RaisenTheLimits]

nothin?