female's next cycle- HGH or IGF-1 with primo and anavar ?

[macrophage69alpha]

igf-1 is
1. expensive
2. highly degradable
3. not well understood(systemically which is most important)
4. linked to cancer GROWTH (particularly breast cancer) but not development
5. WILL cause growth of pretty much all tissues(bad)
6. its actual benefits are unclear
7. is NOT something for someone, that has "a couple of cycles" under their belt, to be considering.

 

[wilson6]

MadM if it were that simple then:

Why didn't the high dose estrogen pills of yesterday cause significant muscle growth in the women that used them, and why isn't every source selling estrogen instead of testosterone?

Where's the beef?

Good post macro.

W6

 

[madmitch]

Wilson6

Like all hormones estrogen has it's good points and it's bad points.

It can increase GH and IGF-1 and this is one of the reasons why the aromatising steroids are so much more effective at building muscle mass than the non aromatising steroids.

However any increase in GH will cause negative feed back which will cause your body to lower GH levels.

One of the guys on the Anabolic board posted a quote by Gary Strydom, when he was asked was he worried about steroid testing in bodybuilding. He basically said he didn't care if they tested for steroids as long as they couldn't test for Growth Hormone.

And yes I have heard the same thing, that real IGF-1 degrades very quickly.

However from the article I posted, experiments showed that it took 50 times more (injectable) IGF-1 to give the same muscle building effect as Growth hormone.

One other interesting point with the Cattle implants, Trenbolone a non aromatising steroid used on it's own was able to increase IGF-1 levels without an increase in GH.

So maybe non aromatising steroids/ androgens can increase IGF-1 levels.

From the experiments with mice it was shown that without IGF-1 GH had no muscle building effect. Therefore if androgens can increase IGF-1, it explains why you need to be taking steroids to gain the full effect of Growth Hormone.

 

[heavenlee]

Thanks everyone!

So, I guess it looks like HGH would be the best bet over igf-1. What kind of cycle would anyone recommend after reading my first post for me then for getting the best results possible this time. Like I said I was going to do more than likely the HGH with anavar and primobolan or would you recommend something else? Of course I am looking for the least side effects. Would Deca or even Denkadiol be a good choice or has anyone had any experiment with Denkadiol? Thanks again~Heavenlee

 

[NubianBeauty]

I have never seen any women post about Denkaldiol but I have chatted with many women that consider the Ox/GH combo exceptional

 

[supergirl]

IGF-1 will cause muscle fiber plasia which is only necessary once your muscles have reached their full developmental potential!! besides all the risks involved


IGF1 is NOT for you heavenlee!!! period!!!

luv super

 

[wilson6]

SG,

Cite a ref that shows that IGF-I causes skeletal muscle hyper-plasia in humans please.

W6

 

[supergirl]

SG,

Cite a ref that shows that IGF-I causes skeletal muscle hyper-plasia in humans please.

W6

you and your "citing" all the time this information comes from "field" experience. Pros i know use it and have proven this to be true..

but just for you W6...

http://www.worldhealth.net/news/prost-igf1/

http://lifehealthenergy.com/htdocs/TheMall/Homeopathic/igf1.htm

 

[Frackal]

Supergirl,

Please cite a ref. that shows what time you're coming over tonight.

 

[Miracle Man]

diamonddiceclay is correct, the IGF-1 will only really work well with GH and vice versa.

................This is one of the reasons why a lot of people complain of crap results when using GH. They don't realise that GH is only anabolic when IGF-1 is high also.


Another reason why people report poor results with Hgh is because most of the time its fake.

Also Gh & IGF-1 are never used together, unless I misunderstood.