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FedEx opened package, then called LE. WTF???

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So I go to my box today and there is a package from FedEx for me. I sign for it, walk outside and get in my car, and two sheriffs run up on me and ask me if I know what is in the package. I tell them no, I haven't opened it, and they say I'm lying and I know it contains steroids.

Well they take me over to their SUV and handcuff me at which point I ask them if I am in custody and what exactly am I charged with. He admitted i was under arrest for possession of C-III substance reads me my rights. Then asks for consent to search my house. Fuck no. He asks me if I want to talk to him about it and I invoke my right to an attorney and that was that.

4 hrs later he gets a search warrant and it says that the package was missing the suite and box # on the address so the FedEx hub manager opened it looking for an invoice with more accurate address. He supposedly found 300 dbol tabs and called the cops.

Is this standard procedure for FedEx? Shouldn't they have tried to contact the sender or receiver before opening the package. And when they did, how did the hub manager know that the pills were illegal anyway?

They searched my house and found nothing but I am still charged with possession with intent of schedule III substance.

My lawyer said that if the FedEx guy was acting at the instruction of LE, if the cops told him to open anything suspicious addressed to me and call them, then it was an illegal search.

There was nothing in my house connecting me to the alleged dbol. The only evidence is a history of receiving packages from that address.

But I cant help it if the person who sends me magazines, books, pc equipment, whatever, accidentally sent me something illegal instead.

Maybe he found out I was banging his ex-gf and wanted to get me in trouble?

I've got a good lawyer who is going to go all the way to trial if they don't drop the charges. Does anyone know what FedEx standard procedures are for an incorrectly addressed package?

Thanks in advance!
 
That's fucked man. They have no business opening up shit.

I'm calling bs on the hub manager calling the police for a package that has no address then the cops saying open it up. Either way it sounds bad IMO. I bet they drop it post haste.
 
Well check this out. The times according to the search warrant and the times according to the FedEx tracking details contradict each other. The search warrrant says they got the call at 805 am from the hub manager who said he found 300 pills in a package because they could not locate the correct recipient. The FedEx tracking says that at 7:58 am the package was on the truck out for delivery and it was not until 9:05 that the driver determined he couldn't locate the address. Unless the driver traveled back to the hub in a fucking time machine, there is no way that the hub manager could have opened the package trying to find a more detailed address, then found and identified the alleged dbol and then placed a call to LE until after 9:05am.

FedEx has very detailed and accurate tracking so I'm calling bullshit on the basis of the search warrant because obviously one of them is lying about the time, and FedEx computer based scanning and tracking is a hell of alot more credible than some bullshit motive made up by a cop to open my pack.

I sent the tracking details to my attorney who said the search sounded suspicious in the first place.

I'm not lawyer, but that sounds like grounds for dismissal right there. If I were a judge I'd throw it out. But I'm kind of biased too. :)
 
I think with UPS and FED EX they can open packs without warrants. The USPS has to get a warrant to open up a package.
Was this sent to you USA domestic?
 
I know when customs tells us to open a package we open it, same with any OGA. I imagine local authorities can do the same.
 
I haven't "signed" for anything ever, not even international.. get a different source for sure..

And way back in the day working for UpS, we opened 10% of the mail as a normal..

they will try and press for some sort of conviction, just stay strong..

and whatever you do, go to a public library and contact your source tell him you got popped..
 
In forming you source you got popped is a respectful thing to do! Giving him a heads up to be on the look out! Def a must!
 
stevesmi said:
^^what good would it do to tell ur source you got popped?
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I think that so he can do a better job of his shipping, and in the details. IMHO if things always look legit, and proper addresses, etc, some of this shit would not happen. I would never sing for anything though....alot of "mailbox" shipping store you can get a physical address with just a unit number...looks like an apt or condo address...and you can have Fed Ex or UPS ship there..but NEVER sign for a package!!

good luck bro in charges...hope it works out ;)
 
I'll go into as much detail as I feel is allowed and if I cross the line the mods, please delete immediately. I told my source immediately but he is in Mexico, and has runners cross and mail orders. The only link back to him would be the name and return address on the FedEx shipping label. I sent him copy of search warrant that stated I invoked my right to an attorney upon being arrested so he knows that I didn't say shit to LE. He went to investigate the runner and found out that he had been stealing from him for a long time. That is one reason my orders were always short.

According to him, he beat the runner so badly that nobody would work for him for a few weeks but he would resend my order to different address once things were back to normal.

I knew something had changed because he was like clockwork when I first started using him, but then came delays, shorted orders, etc... His runner fucked it all up and believe me, he had his operation set up right. Now I KNOW I cannot go into any details in that regard, but believe me, you'd be amazed at the operation he had been running. I wondered because I'd dealt with him for over 6 years and never had a problem. I finally got the nerve to ask him how he did it and when he explained I was blown away. Very ingenious.

But now he won't answer my emails. LOL I guess all good things come to an end.
 
Black Boxster said:
I think that so he can do a better job of his shipping, and in the details. IMHO if things always look legit, and proper addresses, etc, some of this shit would not happen. I would never sing for anything though....alot of "mailbox" shipping store you can get a physical address with just a unit number...looks like an apt or condo address...and you can have Fed Ex or UPS ship there..but NEVER sign for a package!!

good luck bro in charges...hope it works out ;)
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It was a box, and when i sign for it there, all i'm signing is that they received it and signed for it and when i got it it was in good condition, that they didnt fuck it up at the store or anything. i believe its different than if i were to sign for something at my residence.

i hope it is.
 
How can you be charged with possession if you never had it? If they can't piece together evidence of you actually giving someone money and communications of what was to be sold, they have no case. Just because they have illegal contraband that was being sent to your address, doesn't make you guilty of possession.

So many times police know you are guilty and you know you are guilty, but they have little evidence, not enough to get you. They let you talk yourself into a conviction. You did well by saying nothing, keep going with that approach. There's people always think they can outtalk the police. Maybe 90% of the time, they can, but all it takes is one slip-up and they have you. They can lie all they want to you, but its illegal for you to lie to a police officer.
 
Thats fuckn bullshit bro... That really fuckn pisses me off. There are no barriers anymore to protect anyone.. You have dumb ppl at fedex just opening up packages, you have LE involved in a stupid little package.. They can probably do all that shit tho in the name of terrorism.. Its bullshit.. More important things going on.. It would be different if you had like 25 grand worth.. Few fuckn pills and they waste all there time with the shit.. Yet our government smuggles in drugs in our country everyday:finger:
 
if you never signed for it, never touched it, and there's no proof of you ordering it or having anything similar found at your residence...who's to say I didn't mail it to you to get you in trouble? Seriously, if you didn't receive it, take possession....HOW can you be in trouble? They should have let you sign for it, pick it up, and start walking to your car. I think they screwed up..
 
CheapPinz said:
if you never signed for it, never touched it, and there's no proof of you ordering it or having anything similar found at your residence...who's to say I didn't mail it to you to get you in trouble? Seriously, if you didn't receive it, take possession....HOW can you be in trouble? They should have let you sign for it, pick it up, and start walking to your car. I think they screwed up..
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They screwed up in the sense that they are gonna be left holdin their dicks! Yea cheap's right if that's all it took to get someone in trouble then I'd mail my boss some wicked shit, like tonight. Tip off the cops and say look! Dudes bad. I'd put drugs and underage kiddy porn in a box to make sure if he didn't go away for a Long time he would be at least fired.
 
mryar said:
How can you be charged with possession if you never had it? If they can't piece together evidence of you actually giving someone money and communications of what was to be sold, they have no case. Just because they have illegal contraband that was being sent to your address, doesn't make you guilty of possession.

So many times police know you are guilty and you know you are guilty, but they have little evidence, not enough to get you. They let you talk yourself into a conviction. You did well by saying nothing, keep going with that approach. There's people always think they can outtalk the police. Maybe 90% of the time, they can, but all it takes is one slip-up and they have you. They can lie all they want to you, but its illegal for you to lie to a police officer.
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Well I did sign for it. But what I signed only said that I received the box in good condition from the store, not that I knew the contents. Its more of a thing to protect the UPS store than anything else.

I walked to my car, put it in the front seat and they ran up on me. I never opened it. I don't know what the fuck it was. Sure I've gotten mail from that address before, but it was always my magazines and beans, not drugs. There could have been a gun with 10 bodies on it in there if he wanted to really get me in trouble. I never opened it so I don't know.

If I had taken it home and opened the box and actually possessed it things would be different. They thought they would search my place and find a ton of evidence connecting me to whatever was in the box and they came up with absolutely nothing. Which makes my lawyer take a harder look at the warrant and why they thought they had PC since I invoked my rights immediately.

If they found alot of evidence connecting me to the contents of the box, it be much different. I think they just took a gamble and lost.

But I am kind of biased. Lol
 
Now let me compare this situation to one that happened to a close friend of mine back in 2003. It was the exact same controlled delivery except the quantity was much greater. 2 boxes containing over 200k tablets each of various steroids from China. He invoked his rights, made them get a warrant, and when they finally did, they found 6 more similar boxes from China, WU receipts, 120 GH kits, as well as a couple hundred Sus amps, etc....

He took a plea. Lol

No priors so all he got was 6 months in prison. Not too bad considering the volume product he was moving.
 
Something doesn't seem legal about what the police did. They knew a package had illegal narcotics in it but put it back into fedex's mailstream?
 
Well it havent got any to do with the source,shit happends,its not first time ups or other companies work with the law.
Listen to yout lawyer he knows best.
Good Luck.
 
How is it you didn't know fedex, ups, dhl, and any private courier can open your mail? I truly believe the sticky glue on the US Postal mail supplies is scheduled to pop in 24 hours. The rule is they can't look in a package without reason, buttttt if its already opened and it gets dumped out by LE...oops I mean fell over accidentally and inadvertently fell out of the box, lol... they CAN and will look.
Its amazing how people think they are safe mailing anything and then worry once something goes awry..
 
Don't fool yourself into thinking that domestic shipping is safer. If anything, it is fraught with more perils.
 
you need to use a supplier that is bonded and their carrier is on board, many raws suppliers in china with their carriers can do their own customs clearances and if the carrier is on board it doesn't matter if they open the package. usually this doesn't apply to retail suppliers i guess. Demand EMS for a carrier, they care about nothing other than their delivery time.
 
Sorry for your loss and your troubles with LE. I think if you have a competent attorney you will not fare too badly. I just want to offer my 2 cents as I have shipped a lot of packages. Most people want security and speed but anonymity is far more important. Plain Jane mail is the best way- always. FedEx screams "this is valuable/important"- is that what you want? In your case it sounds like you may use the paper trail against them because of the timeline but don't count on that as it usually goes the other way.
 
Hopefully they don't seize your computer and wouldn't they see all the info u posted on here about they are able to do that right? Well just might look bad for u if ur saying u had nothing to do with gear and they see this I would think. Wish u best of luck bro
 
I can only comment on Canada, but the US is similar in that their postal service/mail is a federal operation. In Canada, it is a federal crime to interfere with, open or steal mail. This goes for postal employees. I've seen cases where the delivery driver can clearly smell marihuana, so its turned over to Police, who can obtain warrants, etc. Or they have a drug sniffer dog ID packages. These steps are taken because employee's cant just open packages on a whim or they are breaking the law. You have a right to privacy. You should be able to access Fed Ex department policies and cross reference with the USPS laws. If they are the same, then it should be a technicality that your rights were violated, therefore, charges get voided. Then again, the US is known for having a tougher justice system in Canada, so my comments can't bear too much weight. Best of luck though. And if Fed Ex did break procedure, I'd suggest you launch a civil suit on them.
 
Here in the US the mail service can and will open your mail at will. Its is Fed Govt, the all powerful big bro.
Use UPS!
 
Blissfam10 said:
Hopefully they don't seize your computer and wouldn't they see all the info u posted on here about they are able to do that right? Well just might look bad for u if ur saying u had nothing to do with gear and they see this I would think. Wish u best of luck bro
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Double jeopardy if he is in the USA, if he has been cleared or convicted on it then he is good, they cant get him again on the same occurrence.

Also just an FYI if anyone here is looking at suppliers, be wary of any products coming out of Iran, not that they are bad products but petty much 100% of items coming out of that country are searched by customs.

So be mindful of what path your products travel.
 
After I read this I received a knock on my door and a package with goods. . . .I did wait a few minutes looking out and did a personal investigation to see if anybody was scopin me out haha!
 
thecompound said:
After I read this I received a knock on my door and a package with goods. . . .I did wait a few minutes looking out and did a personal investigation to see if anybody was scopin me out haha!
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Haha I went and picked up a package from the post office an thought the same thing haha, hesitated getting in the car
 
zedhed said:
Here in the US the mail service can and will open your mail at will. Its is Fed Govt, the all powerful big bro.
Use UPS!
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This is not accurate. USPS requires a warrant to open a package in their possession. They can get one with probable cause. But they certainly can not just open your mail because they want to. Private carriers have a different user agreement when you send via their service. Read the fine print. It clearly states they reserve the right to open and inspect any package.
 
Yeah, it probably depends on the place. I've worked in logistics for a while... since everything is like drop shipped from other countries and manufacterers and all of that jazz there are usually tracking and packinging slips. So if a label on a box gets messed up for some reason or a barcode isnt being read... u open the box get the slip type the shit in and re-print and weigh the package. so it can be opened but like i said, depends who's shipping it.
 
I'm sure they'll try the usual scare tactics, sounds like they have a weak case. They'll probably try to get you to plead to a lesser charge. I'd stretch it out as long as you can and just wear them out with continuances so you can mount the best defense possible. They will have to prove you had prior knowledge and you personally ordered the stuff. Otherwise, no proof, no case. They have to prove your guilty. But once you beat it, it may piss off some LE people so be careful. I've seen guys beat cases but then overzealous cops just get them on piddly crap, speeding, directional not on when turning, illegal lane change, etc.
 
In Canada FedEx and ups can open any suspicious package. Canada post cannot open anything no matter what. Don't know if USA reg post is like that but it's good to know when sending unmentionables
 
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