everyone who has used test please chime in

[GoldenDelicious]

by taking that much sust at once you would be taking on a whole lotta prop the first week and then the test levels would go down. Not to mention some of the slower released tests would be being released at the same time. With a gram and a half you would get 600mg's prop the first week (prop and phenyl prop have about the same half-life) along with however much of the slower acting ester releases at this time. What you are doing is frontloading.......which in essence are test levels that do not stay consistent. This is just a colossal waste of time IMO. How exactly would you inject this? All in one day? ED for a week? No one in their right mind would waste their time with this. Sust is just an obsolete drug. There is just no real use for the stuff unless you are giving yourself HRT and HATE injecting and don't mind pain.

ill explain later. let people chat about it first.

and you could do it all in one day.

the injects of a short ester at tapered doses later in week 3 would keep levels where you want them.

i hate it when people forget (or ignore) that im a pharmacist) i know whats going to happen to blood levels, dammit im working on a theory, ok

genarr: i know, i saw andy's post once upon a time, and i agreed with him

cheers

 

[jerkbox]

4 week cycle?

i would probably just use prop every day or every other day.....

or, suspension every day...

for that short a cycle, longer acting esters wouldn't make much sense.

 

[glennds]

flux levels will make you feel lethargic and shitty in general. The way you are using sust is not how it was originally intended. It was meant for HRT use so you could go three weeks withour injecting.

is sustanon is a mixture of tests why would it have these effects and test, such as eth or cyp, would not?

 

[lartinos]

is sustanon is a mixture of tests why would it have these effects and test, such as eth or cyp, would not?

it's a mix of esters not tests. Thats why it stupid to use it. The cycle he speaks of is possible but not practical. It is complicating something that is rather simple. The reason you don't see anyone doing this is that the same results without the pain can be done with human grade prop.

 

[Nighthawkk]

Lartinos: I don't agree with the notion that Sust is useless other than for HRT. I used it last cycle @ 500mg PW with Deca @300mg PW for 8 weeks, and had tremendous gains (16lbs after post-cycle). I even think it worked better for me than enanth currently is. It really is a matter of preference with most people, but I believe I will choose sust over enanth in the future just because it worked better for me.

 

[Triple-G]

this is how plasma testosterone reads after a single shot of testosterone enanthate:

imagine injecting every 2 weeks like in HRT. you will have fluctuating levels even when using a single ester. there is no way to get stable concentrations in HRT with injections, gels and patches are superior for that intent.

for supraphysiological doses, in general, the more often you inject, the more stable blood levels will become. and after a couple of weeks there is no significant difference between sust and single ester products.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

4 week cycle?

i would probably just use prop every day or every other day.....

or, suspension every day...

for that short a cycle, longer acting esters wouldn't make much sense.

sure it does. you only use on the first day, use a human grade product, have relatively stable levels, and save on shots (yes you cop it later again, but still)

anyway ill save it. post results, people! (please )

 

[jerkbox]

sure it does. you only use on the first day, use a human grade product, have relatively stable levels, and save on shots (yes you cop it later again, but still)

anyway ill save it. post results, people! (please )

would you take an unusually high dose? like 600-1000mg or so?

otherwise, i would think it would take a while to get test levels up due to the longer ester, as opposed to shooting a short ester every day.

 

[Big-Bald-One]

Geneticfreak, read the profile for sust. It is a blend of four different tests that are released at different rates. The 3 day half life sounds more like Prop than sust....

 

[GoldenDelicious]

jerkbox: yes, i was thinking people might go for 750 or 1000

i know it seems high but when you sit down and work out body levels of test on even a 500mg/wk dose of enth or something, at the end of the cycle you have levels far in excess of this