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jh1 said:
That's an indepth view into how it all works, and also true.

I think people, naturally have an emotional response to this type of stuff.

The thing to keep in mind is that you can't act on your emotions, you have to take a step back and look at things.

Nature is horrific as well - who can watch a Zebra be caught and drug under by an aligator without wincing? Who's heard a rabbit squeal when a coyote catches him? That shit is TERRIBLE, but it's nature and it's life.

On the other hand there are the horrors of our world outside of this. 15 millions children starving, factories overseas choc'd full of de'facto slave like labor all to make our clothes, TV's, etc.
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I think the most ... heart rendering thing I ever saw along those lines was when a pride of lions brought down a very young elephant. It took them something like 4 hours to eventually kill it, all these lions piled on top of this poor thing, just biting any part they could reach, some of them starting to eat it while it was still struggling to get up. I couldn't understand why the film makers couldn't just shoot the poor fucking thing. It's sad and terrible, to humans but let's face it,Stalin was completely accurate when he said, "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."
 
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stilleto said:
remember sta**ish? she used to go on long, insulting tirades, then end it with "I have to go save a dolphin now. i can't be bothered with YOU!"
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well,

we know how that one ended.

we'll see. I predicted it all last week.

Here, let me invoke starfish: sealion sealion sealion!
 
pintoca said:
well,

we know how that one ended.

we'll see. I predicted it all last week.

Here, let me invoke starfish: sealion sealion sealion!
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ARE YOU INSANE???
 
stilleto said:
agreed.
starting a thread entitled "EVERYONE!" and then insulting "EVERYONE!" who doesn't agree with protesting seems like a huge cry for more negative attention. i don't get it.

maybe its the "don't hate me, i'm a really good person" thing.
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You're over thinking it. I was just really excited because I had just found out I was going to go... that's why I did that.
 
you realize how many unhatched eggs went into that beautiful expensive grad cake? Damn poor chickens... you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Frisky said:
you realize how many unhatched eggs went into that beautiful expensive grad cake? Damn poor chickens... you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Cage free eggs. :) I actually asked them (ever since my parents started buying those). They told me I could bring them before they start if I wanted which I am going to do, actually. :) It isn't a HUGE cake, btw. So it really won't be that difficult to do. thanks.

P.S. Unhatched? Ok - that's a bit too far. They are COMPLETELY unfertilized.. no living thing whatsoever.. and I am happy because then there would be a huge over population of chickens running around and you can imagine what will result from that... oh and I am pro choice.;)
 
I try to have compassion for all living things. Foie Gras isn't something I eat personally, but here's my problem - people telling other people what to do with their time and money. Wouldn't your time be better spent volunteering at a soup kitchen or maybe in the parks department cleaning up our cities parks? Or what about meals on wheels? You can deliver meals to the elderly that can't leave their houses instead of telling others what to do. Seriously - is Foie Gras even that popular?
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
Cage free eggs. :) I actually asked them (ever since my parents started buying those). They told me I could bring them before they start if I wanted which I am going to do, actually. :) It isn't a HUGE cake, btw. So it really won't be that difficult to do. thanks.
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lol

Have you ever been to a chicken farm? Even a 'cage free' chicken farm?
 
reno240 said:
I try to have compassion for all living things. Foie Gras isn't something I eat personally, but here's my problem - people telling other people what to do with their time and money. Wouldn't your time be better spent volunteering at a soup kitchen or maybe in the parks department cleaning up our cities parks? Or what about meals on wheels? You can deliver meals to the elderly that can't leave their houses instead of telling others what to do. Seriously - is Foie Gras even that popular?
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I volunteer plenty.. in fact one reason I got a job was because I needed some new experience since I always volunteered and never "worked."

I do plenty of that. But what I don't get is I am fighting for something I believe in, so why put me down? I can't do EVERYTHING and fight for everything that people individually feel is appropriate, you know? And yes, Foie Gras is a pretty popular delicacy.

P.S. I've done soup kitchens and parks along with so many other things. :)
 
Frisky said:
lol

Have you ever been to a chicken farm? Even a 'cage free' chicken farm?
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Nope. Did you read my previous posts? I eat eggs, yes. But I am still supporting what I want to do wed. It's a chain, I understand..
 
lol... unhatched eh?

Now, would that be unhatched due to 'normal' circumstances ... or for the need of human comsumption?
 
what people don't realize is that this girl is merely trying to do good works so she can make amends for the terrible things she's done in myriad past lives.

i seem to recall the merciless torture and brutal murder of a homeless woman in 18th century paris.
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
Nope. Did you read my previous posts? I eat eggs, yes. But I am still supporting what I want to do wed. It's a chain, I understand..
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So the duck is better than the chicken? I see.
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I volunteer plenty.. in fact one reason I got a job was because I needed some new experience since I always volunteered and never "worked."

I do plenty of that. But what I don't get is I am fighting for something I believe in, so why put me down? I can't do EVERYTHING and fight for everything that people individually feel is appropriate, you know? And yes, Foie Gras is a pretty popular delicacy.

P.S. I've done soup kitchens and parks along with so many other things. :)
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Here's what I don't get - How come just because you believe in it that makes it ok to tell me what to eat? Lots of people have believed in stupid ass wastes of time. I don't believe in eating veal or foie gras or many other things. I just don't tell you what to do. Ask me what I believe and I will tell you - I won't go force it down your throat.
 
Frisky said:
So the duck is better than the chicken? I see.
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I'm not justifying anything. I choose to fight for what I support at this given moment. You're right, I'm sure that the chicken suffers as well and I try to be as humane as possible when buying eggs. But I feel that force feeding an animal so their liver explodes inside of them, their beaks break off, they cannot walk, and die on their own vomit, is a bit different.

Stop criticizing and judging what I want to do. What do you fight for? What have YOU done... focus on that, please.

I am excited for this so keep trying to bring me down... won't work. :)

P.S. Do you know who makes your clothes, jewelry, etc? It never ends, yeah?
 
reno240 said:
Here's what I don't get - How come just because you believe in it that makes it ok to tell me what to eat? Lots of people have believed in stupid ass wastes of time. I don't believe in eating veal or foie gras or many other things. I just don't tell you what to do. Ask me what I believe and I will tell you - I won't go force it down your throat.
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I'm not telling you what to eat. I'm supporting what I believe. So if I believe it should be banned, then I will support it - and it's not because "oh, I think you shouldn't eat this," it's because, "I cannot stand the amount of suffering that these animals have to endure." - THAT is why. Do you think whale/dolphin should be made legal? Many believe that it should.. because they want to eat those mammals. :)

Did you know that when they harpooned whales, half the time they thought they were dead and they weren't... what happened was their bodies simply couldn't move, part of their brain shut down, but many researchers/scientists believed that they could feel every single thing that was being done to them when they were THOUGHT to be dead? To me THAT justifies why you should not eat whale.
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I'm telling you what to eat. I'm supporting what I believe. So if I believe it should be banned, then I will support it - and it's not because "oh, I think you shouldn't eat this," it's because, "I cannot stand the amount of suffering that these animals have to endure." - THAT is why. Do you think whale/dolphin should be made legal? Many believe that it should.. because they want to eat those mammals. :)

Did you know that when they harpooned whales, half the time they thought they were dead and they weren't... what happened was their bodies simply couldn't move, part of their brain shut down, but many researchers/scientists believed that they could feel every single thing that was being done to them when they were THOUGHT to be dead? To me THAT justifies why you should not eat whale.
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agreed

(not the foie gras though)
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I'm telling you what to eat. I'm supporting what I believe. So if I believe it should be banned, then I will support it - and it's not because "oh, I think you shouldn't eat this," it's because, "I cannot stand the amount of suffering that these animals have to endure." - THAT is why. Do you think whale/dolphin should be made legal? Many believe that it should.. because they want to eat those mammals. :)

Did you know that when they harpooned whales, half the time they thought they were dead and they weren't... what happened was their bodies simply couldn't move, part of their brain shut down, but many researchers/scientists believed that they could feel every single thing that was being done to them when they were THOUGHT to be dead? To me THAT justifies why you should not eat whale.
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By banning it - are you not telling me what to eat? You don't like it - you don't eat it. Someone comes up to you and says, "What do you think of this?" You can say whatever the fuck you want - you start passing laws or protesting so laws are passed banning a food - then your telling me what to eat.

Believing in something is all well and good. Wanting to help animals is all good to - but believing in something is not a good enough argument for taking away peoples choices, when it's as trivial as foie gras.
 
reno240 said:
By banning it - are you not telling me what to eat? You don't like it - you don't eat it. Someone comes up to you and says, "What do you think of this?" You can say whatever the fuck you want - you start passing laws or protesting so laws are passed banning a food - then your telling me what to eat.

Believing in something is all well and good. Wanting to help animals is all good to - but believing in something is not a good enough argument for taking away peoples choices, when it's as trivial as foie gras.
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Ok - so do you think we should legalize hunting whale and dolphin? Or dog/cat? Because there are people here who would say that they want to eat it and that they have a right...

What do you think?
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I'm not justifying anything. I choose to fight for what I support at this given moment. You're right, I'm sure that the chicken suffers as well and I try to be as humane as possible when buying eggs. But I feel that force feeding an animal so their liver explodes inside of them, their beaks break off, they cannot walk, and die on their own vomit, is a bit different.

Stop criticizing and judging what I want to do. What do you fight for? What have YOU done... focus on that, please.

I am excited for this so keep trying to bring me down... won't work. :)

P.S. Do you know who makes your clothes, jewelry, etc? It never ends, yeah?
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LOL, I don't give a shit what you fight for... thats your choice sugar. But i think only a hypocrite would fight for one cause and then turn around and eat another animal that has also suffered. Have you read up on cattle farm's... how about dairy farms. When was your last steak? Oh how about fish... is it not cruel how they are stocked in a pond only for slaughter.

I am not trying to bring you down... you constantly put yourself in this type of situation. Kudo's to you for having a cause to fight for. Now, why don't you fight for all causes... you alone could save a few hundred unfertilized eggs a year right? Quite a few chickens and a calf or two... on and couple dozen fish I am sure.

And what do I fight for... well lets see... world hunger?
 
Frisky said:
LOL, I don't give a shit what you fight for... thats your choice sugar. But i think only a hypocrite would fight for one cause and then turn around and eat another animal that has also suffered. Have you read up on cattle farm's... how about dairy farms. When was your last steak? Oh how about fish... is it not cruel how they are stocked in a pond only for slaughter.

I am not trying to bring you down... you constantly put yourself in this type of situation. Kudo's to you for having a cause to fight for. Now, why don't you fight for all causes... you alone could save a few hundred unfertilized eggs a year right? Quite a few chickens and a calf or two... on and couple dozen fish I am sure.

And what do I fight for... well lets see... world hunger?
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I don't eat beef or pork. And I am desparately trying to cut out my chicken and fish products but being raised eating meat, it is difficult. I have come quite a ways, though. I rarely eat chicken anymore.

But it never ends, does it? It can't... so I fight for something one thing at a time.. just how I continue to try to fight for my good friend Marijo who has wagny.org, and other things i support.. I cannot fight for all. And I am not being a hypocrite because I am not eating Foie Gras. Now, if I were to go to a chicken protest, then I would be.. because I eat chicken (even tho I'm trying not to and I will get there one day soon)...

World hunger - good for you.. so what do you do? Just curious.
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
Ok - so do you think we should legalize hunting whale and dolphin? Or dog/cat? Because there are people here who would say that they want to eat it and that they have a right...

What do you think?
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i think its disgusting actually, but who am I to judge another when I eat deer, cattle, pig, chickens...
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I don't eat beef or pork. And I am desparately trying to cut out my chicken and fish products but being raised eating meat, it is difficult. I have come quite a ways, though. I rarely eat chicken anymore.

But it never ends, does it? It can't... so I fight for something one thing at a time.. just how I continue to try to fight for my good friend Marijo who has wagny.org, and other things i support.. I cannot fight for all. And I am not being a hypocrite because I am not eating Foie Gras. Now, if I were to go to a chicken protest, then I would be.. because I eat chicken (even tho I'm trying not to and I will get there one day soon)...

World hunger - good for you.. so what do you do? Just curious.
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LOL... you still are allowing the slaughter of one animal and protesting the slaughter of another... and thats really not all that bad... its when you sit here and belittle those whom don't agree with you. So what if i were to eat Foie Gras but didn't eat chicken or eggs... would that make you any better than me? Both of us are killing an animal for our own consumption.

Oh, and world hunger... I feed myself and my family... any means necessary :qt: .... Duck, cow, chicken, deer, fish... we gonna eat
 
I will tell you this - I love animals BUT the best dish I ever had in my life in a small little mom and pop restaurant in Budapest (Wife was the waitress and the husband the chef) was a nice Veal fillet topped with Frois Gras with a black cherry red wine sauce........

Oh man it would be worth the plane ticket back there just to eat at that place again!!

Can't be a hyprocrit - I love to eat those critters.
 
Frisky said:
LOL... you still are allowing the slaughter of one animal and protesting the slaughter of another... and thats really not all that bad... its when you sit here and belittle those whom don't agree with you. So what if i were to eat Foie Gras but didn't eat chicken or eggs... would that make you any better than me? Both of us are killing an animal for our own consumption.

Oh, and world hunger... I feed myself and my family... any means necessary :qt: .... Duck, cow, chicken, deer, fish... we gonna eat
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I wasn't belittling anyone's opinion on it. What I started doing was posting right back to those who were insulting me. If you go back to the first page, you will see that all I do is post a link to the Foie Gras page and tell people to check that out and then make their decision. The people who were sitting and constantly insulting me, degrading my efforts, etc, I insulted back - sure maybe I shouldn't do that but whatever...

Well you can do with your family whatever you choose to do.. I am going to try to raise my kids as vegetarians.. those people are healthier anyway...
 
first of all, why the FUCK would you want to eat goose/duck liver? jesus christ.
I've tried every type of cuisine and that does not even make slight sense to me
french come up with some weird shit.

second, for those who say "well,you eat chicken, steak etc" there's a difference. the slaughtering is much more humane , especially with chicken. most of the time they're gased.
beef? i've heard many horror stories..not to sure about how humane it is.

point is, there's a big difference between humanely slaughtering an animal and torturing them.

those pictures make me want to throw up....



(Jesus, another IP thread reaches 200+ posts with like 5 different arguments going on at once.)
 
calveless wonder said:
first of all, why the FUCK would you want to eat goose/duck liver? jesus christ.
I've tried every type of cuisine and that does not even make slight sense to me
french come up with some weird shit.

second, for those who say "well,you eat chicken, steak etc" there's a difference. the slaughtering is much more humane , especially with chicken. most of the time they're gased.
beef? i've heard many horror stories..not to sure about how humane it is.

point is, there's a big difference between humanely slaughtering an animal and torturing them.

those pictures make me want to throw up....
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And when I buy my chicken and turkey (which isn't often at all) I usually buy Kosher. And for those who aren't familiar with Kosher meats, research it.
 
Free range does not mean "welfare friendly" nor is there any type of inspection system for so-called free range producer. No matter what, battery or free range, those chickens live for a grand total of about a year and then it's off to the processing plant (which is better than the male chicks, the vast majority of which are destroyed immediately, hopefully by being gassed but usually they're just thrown away or chucked straight into a grinding machine with the rest of the eggshells).

The only way you know, for a fact, the living conditions of the chickens is if you actually go TO the farm and buy the eggs from the farmers themselves after having actually inspected the facilities.

City people crack me up, seriously.
 
Frisky said:
i think its disgusting actually, but who am I to judge another when I eat deer, cattle, pig, chickens...
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Oh - I had a horse burger one time Frisk. Sorry about that but there was a lot of alcohol involved
 
calveless wonder said:
first of all, why the FUCK would you want to eat goose/duck liver? jesus christ.
I've tried every type of cuisine and that does not even make slight sense to me
french come up with some weird shit.

second, for those who say "well,you eat chicken, steak etc" there's a difference. the slaughtering is much more humane , especially with chicken. most of the time they're gased.
beef? i've heard many horror stories..not to sure about how humane it is.

point is, there's a big difference between humanely slaughtering an animal and torturing them.

those pictures make me want to throw up....



(Jesus, another IP thread reaches 200+ posts with like 5 different arguments going on at once.)
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I'm that cool. ;) Anything I do no matter what, people will bash me- it's okay though because they will continue to say I asked for it. The reason I posted this thread was because I was really excited and I had just found out I was going. But people will twist that, too - saying I wanted the attention and blah blah blah... hehe.
 
calveless wonder said:
first of all, why the FUCK would you want to eat goose/duck liver? jesus christ.
I've tried every type of cuisine and that does not even make slight sense to me
french come up with some weird shit.

second, for those who say "well,you eat chicken, steak etc" there's a difference. the slaughtering is much more humane , especially with chicken. most of the time they're gased.
beef? i've heard many horror stories..not to sure about how humane it is.

point is, there's a big difference between humanely slaughtering an animal and torturing them.

those pictures make me want to throw up....



(Jesus, another IP thread reaches 200+ posts with like 5 different arguments going on at once.)
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Dude - chickens are hung upside down on a moving assembly line and their necks are then drawn across a blade cutting the heads off into a large basin.
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I'm that cool. ;) Anything I do no matter what, people will bash me- it's okay though because they will continue to say I asked for it. The reason I posted this thread was because I was really excited and I had just found out I was going. But people will twist that, too - saying I wanted the attention and blah blah blah... hehe.
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you don't help your cause though alot of the time. you can defend your viewpoint without getting down to other people's levels, especially when it's things that out of line. your rebuttals are often evaluatory type statements, which always provoke another defensive response. hense the endless flames lol.
people are going to shit on you here no matter what, just deal with it better
 
reno240 said:
Dude - chickens are hung upside down on a moving assembly line and their necks are then drawn across a blade cutting the heads off into a large basin.
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After they've been electrocuted, don't forget that.

Edit: I stand corrected. The European Union and Canada are currently using "Controlled Atmosphere Killing" in which the chickens lose consciousness and die from breathing a combination nitrogen/argon with less than 2% oxygen while in their transport containers before they reach the slaughterhouse.
 
I had thought of switching to Kosher meats myself there for awhile.

I never did because I thought it was redic. amount of money to spend when I'm not Jewish.

Its a nice thought ; but I have other priorities right now.

Maybe later though. :)
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I wasn't belittling anyone's opinion on it. What I started doing was posting right back to those who were insulting me. If you go back to the first page, you will see that all I do is post a link to the Foie Gras page and tell people to check that out and then make their decision. The people who were sitting and constantly insulting me, degrading my efforts, etc, I insulted back - sure maybe I shouldn't do that but whatever...

Well you can do with your family whatever you choose to do.. I am going to try to raise my kids as vegetarians.. those people are healthier anyway...
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I did read, and there were countless insults on the human race... and last I checked I am human.

Like I said, its your cause... you do as you wish and high five to you for doing so. Just remember that everything in our daily life revolves around this chain.

I watched the video... and it was really horrid, but if I were to sit here and examine every item I wear, eat, drink... I am sure I would find that there are many other animals that are going thru the same torture. I personally don't choose to quit eating meat, or produce... etc. I don't chose to quit using soap, or feeding my dog, dog food... There are certain products that say they aren't tested on animals... but come on... I don't believe that shit at all. Its all marketing.

I don't frown upon what you are doing... go for it. Raise your children to be vegetarians, thats fine. Then also turn around and inspect exactly what chemicals are used on those farms.

Point being... if you are not doing it yourself... then you don't know how the hell you got the egg and what suffereing that chicken went thru... the cow... the fish... etc. And still... suffering is suffering... death is death.
 
reno240 said:
Dude - chickens are hung upside down on a moving assembly line and their necks are then drawn across a blade cutting the heads off into a large basin.
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not to mention the calves that are in the farms... check into all that. Dairy farms are just as bad!
 
This argument is tough. Human populations are soaring and people need to eat - raising animals for the sole purpose of being eaten is the only way I can think of to feed everyone. You start making people kill their own food and every damn animal would be eliminated. Plus, if the animal is being raised for food - you can't gas it or drug it, it messes up the food.
 
I dont like to think about it.

I do know that in life ; one thing usually must suffer to benefit the othe especially when you are talking survival.

And I dont think that type of eating is healthy for children at all!
 
Frisky said:
not to mention the calves that are in the farms... check into all that. Dairy farms are just as bad!
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I grew up in the country and we had a chicken coop. I remember a many a saturday where we had to go pull heads of chickens for dinner next week. Dang things would bounce around for 1 minute without a head.

Now that was cruel - but it kept food on the table.
 
reno240 said:
Dude - chickens are hung upside down on a moving assembly line and their necks are then drawn across a blade cutting the heads off into a large basin.
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shit....i feel stupid. i thought alot of places gassed them now because i remember this was this big debate of KFC and the chickens they get. They mentioned the fact alot of chicken distributors were gassing their birds. maybe it was electricution (I know they do this to make them unconcious)
They were having the beaks seared off with hot blades first.....terrible.

bleh.... not the stuff i want to think about on a friday, right before im about to eat a chicke breast lol
 
billfred said:
I grew up in the country and we had a chicken coop. I remember a many a saturday where we had to go pull heads of chickens for dinner next week. Dang things would bounce around for 1 minute without a head.

Now that was cruel - but it kept food on the table.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
 
reno240 said:
This argument is tough. Human populations are soaring and people need to eat - raising animals for the sole purpose of being eaten is the only way I can think of to feed everyone. You start making people kill their own food and every damn animal would be eliminated. Plus, if the animal is being raised for food - you can't gas it or drug it, it messes up the food.
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it's true......fuck, if this were pre historic days we'd be killing chickens or animals other ways for our own survival. it wouldn't be much more humane, they'd be dying.......

however, as the most civilized and intelligent species, you think there could be a way to reduce the suffering if we're just farming food (some middle ground). It'll probably result in a higher cost of production, but personally i'd be willing to pay for that. 85% of america wouldn't
 
billfred said:
I grew up in the country and we had a chicken coop. I remember a many a saturday where we had to go pull heads of chickens for dinner next week. Dang things would bounce around for 1 minute without a head.

Now that was cruel - but it kept food on the table.
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Ya know... I hated it also, I grew up on a farm also and would watch the twisting of the neck and all that eeww stuff... also the slaughter of a pig, and cow...

But it always kept food on our table too... and right now if we all be came vegetarians world hunger would sky rocket...
 
calveless wonder said:
it's true......fuck, if this were pre historic days we'd be killing chickens or animals other ways for our own survival. it wouldn't be much more humane, they'd be dying.......

however, as the most civilized and intelligent species, you think there could be a way to reduce the suffering if we're just farming food (some middle ground). It'll probably result in a higher cost of production, but personally i'd be willing to pay for that. 85% of america wouldn't
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ITs a nice thought. Kosher meat is available but expensive.
 
musclemom said:
I don't have the time, energy or inclination to plow through 180+ posts but I have to say, how nice for you that you have the choice. I was a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 11 years before I got sick and now I'm celiac and intolerant of soy. What should I eat? :confused: I guess a bullet :rolleyes:

That being said, while the treatment of the geese is cruel, so is the treatment of ALL conventional feedlot animals. Battery chickens are debeaked and fed arsenic to keep their parasites down, cattle live their lives standing knee deep in boggy, shitty feedlots, milk cows that are nothing more than glorified mile fountains, never get to spend a moment with their calves, and don't leave their stalls except to go to the slaughter house, pigs that go insane from being cooped up, etc.

But why stop there? What about puppy, kitten and ferret mills? Even better, what of the lot of the kittens and puppies who are born exclusively for the purpose of being euthanized so biology students have something to dissect? What about the rats, mice, fish and rabbits that are bred exclusively to be fed, alive, to reptiles? What about animals that are still used in medical and cosmetic testing?

If you wear leather, bath, use any kind of personal beauty aid, and eat ANY kind of meat, fish included, you contribute, to tell yourself otherwise is just lying to yourself. If you don't shop 100% organic, then the plants you're eating were probably fertilized with deitrus of some parts of dead animals, if you have a carnivorous pet, then you contribute when you feed it.

And if you're going to go on about how horrible all that is, and how it should be eliminated, what about the people who make their livelihood by providing these animals for these industries? What if you're protests are preventing THEIR children from getting needed medical or dental care or a better education?
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Fuckin' A...
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I volunteer plenty.. in fact one reason I got a job was because I needed some new experience since I always volunteered and never "worked."

I do plenty of that. But what I don't get is I am fighting for something I believe in, so why put me down? I can't do EVERYTHING and fight for everything that people individually feel is appropriate, you know? And yes, Foie Gras is a pretty popular delicacy.

P.S. I've done soup kitchens and parks along with so many other things. :)
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No one's putting you down, dumbass! We're just disagreeing. And in turn, you're telling us how wrong we are!!! Go save a duck and shut the fuck up...
 
resqguy said:
No one's putting you down, dumbass! We're just disagreeing. And in turn, you're telling us how wrong we are!!! Go save a duck and shut the fuck up...
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Some of you weren't "just disagreeing." Go read some of the posts. Immediately everyone puts in their .02 - that's fine but dont put me down.

And yes, I'll go save a duck. I think they're cute. lol.
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
Some of you weren't "just disagreeing." Go read some of the posts. Immediately everyone puts in their .02 - that's fine but dont put me down.

And yes, I'll go save a duck. I think they're cute. lol.
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Strange, that's not how I see it. You went on the defensive and blasted everyone who disagreed with you. It's people like you who make me want to club a litter of kittens to death...
 
resqguy said:
Strange, that's not how I see it. You went on the defensive and blasted everyone who disagreed with you. It's people like you who make me want to club a litter of kittens to death...
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Like you need an excuse to want to go do that :FRlol:
 
musclemom said:
Like you need an excuse to want to go do that :FRlol:
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Yeah you're right. I'd prefer to beat baby seals to death, but having 'em shipped in is just too expensive these days. :chomp:
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I don't eat beef or pork. And I am desparately trying to cut out my chicken and fish products but being raised eating meat, it is difficult. I have come quite a ways, though. I rarely eat chicken anymore.
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Oh God, are you ever in the wrong website.

I eat 1 Lb of chicken/day (when dieting)

I lace that with a variety of pork and beef products.
 
pintoca said:
Oh God, are you ever in the wrong website.

I eat 1 Lb of chicken/day (when dieting)

I lace that with a variety of pork and beef products.
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:lmao: man have you got that right!

This has got to be the only place where I have ever seen people brag about how much red meat they packed down in one sitting and or discuss the relative leanness of buffalo, horsemeat or venison!

Shit, if it moves slow enough most of us seriously consider gnawing on it :chomp:
 
resqguy said:
Is it wrong that I'm totally turned on by that? :p
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No, it would be wrong if you weren't :qt:

Okay, truth, when I WAS a vegetarian my favorite quote, that I did use in mixed company on more than a few occasions (because whenever you tell people you're a vegetarian they start going through this whole list of "what do you eat") was:

"I don't eat no dead meat." :evil:

Shut 'em up pretty quick, and my (then) husband loved it because if guys overheard it they looked at him like "Ooooo, you da man."
 
musclemom said:
No, it would be wrong if you weren't :qt:

Okay, truth, when I WAS a vegetarian my favorite quote, that I did use in mixed company on more than a few occasions (because whenever you tell people you're a vegetarian they start going through this whole list of "what do you eat") was:

"I don't eat no dead meat." :evil:

Shut 'em up pretty quick, and my (then) husband loved it because if guys overheard it they looked at him like "Ooooo, you da man."
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Awwwwwwww yeah.
 
I don't see much of a difference in goose liver, chicken liver, etc? I mean, unless one is a vegan, which I am not, it is kind of hypocritical for one to criticize eating one product versus another. In the end, when we eat animals, we kill animals. Do we not like fois gras just because the animal is cute?
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
I will be attending my first animal rights protest downtown here in Chicago at City Hall. I'm not sure if many of you are familiar with Foie Gras but it is a delicacy that has been banned here in Chicago because of the animal abuse/torture involved with it. It really is atrocious.. I did a research paper on this awhile ago and I was horrified after my hours of research, what goes on.

Anyway, Mayor Daley will be at City Hall this Wed signing a document that will try and repeal the ban. Him and other politicians... many are trying to stop him...

I am really excited!! If you see me on the news, let me know! lol.

Event Description: Mayor Daley announced that the vote to repeal the Foie Gras Ban will be completed at the next City Council Meeting on Wed., May 23 just as Sheila O'Grady, the mayor's former chief-of-staff, became the new Executive Director of the Illinois Restaurant Association which is pushing for repeal. Alderman Edward Burke has announced his intention to call for a City Council vote on to repeal Chicago's ban on the sale of foie gras. (Foie Gras is the enlarged liver of a goose or duck served as an expensive delicacy. The animals' livers are enlarged by force feeding them with 18 inch metal rods and causes ruptured internal organs or asphyxiation when food becomes impacted in their throats and digestive systems. See www.banfoiegras.org for more details. Foie Gras is so cruel that 13 European countries and the state of California have enacted similar bans. According to a 2004 Zogby poll, 77% of Americans favor the ban of Foie Gras because of its cruelty.)

Alderman Joe Moore, sponsor of the Foie Gras Ban, has urged people in Chicago's animal protection community to be vocal at next Wednesday's City Council Meeting. Alderman Moore risked his re-election on banning Foie Gras because he feels that "preventing the sale of a food product derived from the torture of innocent animals are precisely the sort of issues that should be tackled by legislative bodies." The idea that legislative bodies can act to create a humane world for all animals (including humans) is profound and is why national animal protection organizations (such as HSUS, PETA, and Farm Sanctuary) and industries that profit by harming animals will be closely watching what happens in Chicago next Wednesday, May 23rd.

I'm urging you, fellow Chicago Animal Rights Meetup members to join me and many other local activists, in a Demonstration and Press Conference at City Hall on Wednesday at 9AM. We want to have at least 200 activists there holding signs (which we will provide), occupying city hall chambers, and chanting in support of the Ban in the City Hall Lobby. Please show up and bring a friend (or two). I realize that this may mean taking a half-day off or even a full-day off from work, but if you attend one animal protection effort all year, THIS IS THE ONE!

We will also lobby Aldermen in person and ask that you call, or better yet, visit your alderman (dial 311 if you don't know who that is). Most importantly, please plan to attend next Wednesday, 5/23, at 9AM at City Hall (121 N. LaSalle).

Graphic images below:
http://www.veganpeace.com/animal_cruelty/Pictures/FoieGras.jpg
http://www.stopforcefeeding.com/photos/images/hudson-foie-gras-trash.jpg
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http://www.animalwritings.com/2005/images/foie-gras-broken-bill-sm.jpg
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"it is only the beginning" is a quote she made to begin this stupid thread if i am not mistaken. she said it right. these are the same people that want guns, hunting, fishing, and any damn thing to do with animals banned. to bad they never mention the rest of the truth. conservation by hunting and other activities has improved the conditions and numbers of every wild animal in the U.S. but now she will tell us that it is just duck liver that is the focus,,,,,,BULLSHIT!!....i'm just saying......
 
I didn't read the thread nor am I going to because I can just imagine the flamefest.

My opinion about animal rights is simple really.

My children have been taken from their only mother and forced to live with their abuser. And if you think that this is only happening to MY children, you are sadly mistaken. My husband and I are seriously pursuing a NPO to help bring attention to the plight of children like mine... THERE ARE MANY.

So forgive me if I don't get all up in arms over animals.

Why not petition government to stop the abuse of HUMAN children?
 
BIKINIMOM said:
I didn't read the thread nor am I going to because I can just imagine the flamefest.

My opinion about animal rights is simple really.

My children have been taken from their only mother and forced to live with their abuser. And if you think that this is only happening to MY children, you are sadly mistaken. My husband and I are seriously pursuing a NPO to help bring attention to the plight of children like mine... THERE ARE MANY.

So forgive me if I don't get all up in arms over animals.

Why not petition government to stop the abuse of HUMAN children?
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BM- I know what has happened to your kids and that is very sad however, everyone has their own right to fight for what they choose to fight for. :)

Just say that my dad died from cancer (God forbid), does that mean that I should ONLY and I MUST fight for cancer research? That seems silly. Why can't people focus on multiple things? And there are people fighting for child abuse... I choose to fight for animals. :)
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
BM- I know what has happened to your kids and that is very sad however, everyone has their own right to fight for what they choose to fight for. :)

Just say that my dad died from cancer (God forbid), does that mean that I should ONLY and I MUST fight for cancer research? That seems silly. Why can't people focus on multiple things? And there are people fighting for child abuse... I choose to fight for animals. :)
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Point well taken, not making a comment about your rights.

I suppose I just see the lives of animals not as being on the same plane as those of humans. And for the record - I would NEVER harm anyone/thing.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Point well taken, not making a comment about your rights.

I suppose I just see the lives of animals not as being on the same plane as those of humans. And for the record - I would NEVER harm anyone/thing.
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To a point I agree with you completely - but, I feel that animals shouldn't be left in the dust. The way people treat them is incredibly inhumane and something I won't stand for....

And yes for children, the mentally ill, retired veterans, etc, as well. I know a good handful of amazing people who are fighting specifically for children... and that means putting their asses on the line... so don't be fooled... there are people out there doing a great job rescuing kids... just heard (close family friend) about another child rescued earlier this week.... pedophile/child pornographer behind bars now.
 
InquisitivePsyche said:
To a point I agree with you completely - but, I feel that animals shouldn't be left in the dust. The way people treat them is incredibly inhumane and something I won't stand for....

And yes for children, the mentally ill, retired veterans, etc, as well. I know a good handful of amazing people who are fighting specifically for children... and that means putting their asses on the line... so don't be fooled... there are people out there doing a great job rescuing kids... just heard (close family friend) about another child rescued earlier this week.... pedophile/child pornographer behind bars now.
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Lemme see, rescuing kids, saving a cat........ Damn you are amazing!
:santa:
 
mobro said:
"it is only the beginning" is a quote she made to begin this stupid thread if i am not mistaken. she said it right. these are the same people that want guns, hunting, fishing, and any damn thing to do with animals banned. to bad they never mention the rest of the truth. conservation by hunting and other activities has improved the conditions and numbers of every wild animal in the U.S. but now she will tell us that it is just duck liver that is the focus,,,,,,BULLSHIT!!....i'm just saying......
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Idiots like IP have destroyed every national park, most of the deer species (except in TX where we cull them) by not allowing the forests to be harvested Makes the trees burn cause of all the teenie tiny trees that can't get light..... So save the seals and coyotes! I have coats of both!!! They are really warm and kinda soft!

:santa"
 
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