Ever wondered how long you grow?

[Debaser]

It didn't say at what intensity they were lifting, or their experience or anything of the sort.

If I bend over to pick up a broomstick, how long do you think it will take to recover vs. picking up a 600 lb loaded bar?

 

[casualbb]

What do you mean by intensity? Whether or not they're going to failure? I'd hope by now that's been established as irrelevant.

The weight was sufficient that they sustained damage that would necessitate repair and growth. It would have to be a weight they were unaccustomed to.

Also you gotta remember, there are two mechanisms of recovery: 1) repair of damage (this causes growth) 2) Neural recovery from a training bout. These occur independently of one another.

The general concept of "the more weight you lift the more recovery time is needed," is wrong. It's a leftover from Jones-Mentzer non-science. How much recovery time you need is related to how much volume you did and how much was taken to failure.

So back to your example, if our theoretical dude can deadlift 800 for a 1RM, 600 isn't gonna put a dent in him. Recovery time? A few minutes. If 600 is his 1RM? Probably days. It's more about the weight relative to your ability and how much effort you exerted in lifting it. Closer to failure = more recovery time needed.

 

[spatts]

What I meant was that "The response of muscle protein metabolism to a resistance exercise bout lasts for 24-48 hours" doesn't mean growth only occurs for 24-48 hours. It's saying you have that window of time to ensure a positive balance. As long as you have a positive balance, you can grow....NOT as long as you are metabolising muscle protein, you can grow. When you're done "processing it" you may still have a net positive balance. Am I making sense?

 

[spatts]

Also, please factor in neural recovery which can take up to 5x as long as muscle recovery. When you are lifting 600 pounds, per your example, you are not only going to require more muscle recovery, but more neural recovery as well. Your hormonal system...multiple systems...have to recover. This is just a small part of the puzzle.

 

[Debaser]

The general concept of "the more weight you lift the more recovery time is needed," is wrong. It's a leftover from Jones-Mentzer non-science. How much recovery time you need is related to how much volume you did and how much was taken to failure.

Not entirely. Let me use another example.

Powerlifter A can squat 1000 lbs. Testosterone magazine editor TC Luoma can squat 100 lbs. Do you honestly think that the powerlifter doesn't have to psych himself up to squat 800 lbs, that it would be just as easy as TC squatting 80 lbs?

Once you get into heavier poundages, even lower %maxes aren't always easy poundages for you, they require a lot of focus.

 

[louden_swain]

Casual and Rev. . .

Good cites!!!!

 

[spatts]

Yeah, their great cites, and would be even better if we could talk about what they say.