Erection problems while on cycle - Decided to end and start pct..

[sandman599]

this is kinda long but here goes:

Ok so I am 4 weeks into a test prop/winnie cycle. I am having some issues that are really concerning me and have decided to end my cycle early. I made the mistake of starting this cycle directly after trying out PPs 1-T topical stuff. It was working but wanted an extra kick so i threw in the prop and winny. Now, 4 weeks into the cycle the problems arise:

gyno flare up
cystic acne
high blood pressure
nervousness anxiety
testicular atrophy (balls have never been this small on cycle before)

all the things above i have delt with in prior cycles and went away after pct, but this is what is really bothering me - i have no sex drive and am having erection problems, while on 150mg eod of test p!!

2 weeks ago i started hcg at 500 iu 2x per week and i have not seen any signifigant increase in nut size and my sex drive is still low and erections are weak.

i am aware that a blood test is the only way to tell what is going on but my insurance doesnt kick in until the end of march (just started new job). maybe the problem is stress related as i have been unemployed for the past 5 months?

i am concerned however that i have permanently desensitezed my nuts as they are not responding to the hcg. this is why i want to end cycle and start pct.

the pct i have planned out is this:

pp test recovery stack
unleashed
nolva 40/40/20/20

i also have adex clomid and hcg on hand - not sure how/if to throw this in

any thoughts comments suggestions welcome. thank you all.

 

[needtogetaas]

this is kinda long but here goes:

Ok so I am 4 weeks into a test prop/winnie cycle. I am having some issues that are really concerning me and have decided to end my cycle early. I made the mistake of starting this cycle directly after trying out PPs 1-T topical stuff. It was working but wanted an extra kick so i threw in the prop and winny. Now, 4 weeks into the cycle the problems arise:

gyno flare up
cystic acne
high blood pressure
nervousness anxiety
testicular atrophy (balls have never been this small on cycle before)

all the things above i have delt with in prior cycles and went away after pct, but this is what is really bothering me - i have no sex drive and am having erection problems, while on 150mg eod of test p!!

2 weeks ago i started hcg at 500 iu 2x per week and i have not seen any signifigant increase in nut size and my sex drive is still low and erections are weak.

i am aware that a blood test is the only way to tell what is going on but my insurance doesnt kick in until the end of march (just started new job). maybe the problem is stress related as i have been unemployed for the past 5 months?

i am concerned however that i have permanently desensitezed my nuts as they are not responding to the hcg. this is why i want to end cycle and start pct.

the pct i have planned out is this:

pp test recovery stack
unleashed
nolva 40/40/20/20

i also have adex clomid and hcg on hand - not sure how/if to throw this in

any thoughts comments suggestions welcome. thank you all.

Not sure what this has to do with pp's 1-t? You had no problems well on it and now you are having problems after starting test prop and winny.

It sounds like you have unstable levels and you are shut down. Being shut down on cycle is normal. I also think you have unstable levels. This is do to switching from the 1-t then the prop winny rather then pct. Also could be do to the way you are injecting the prop and winny. Ie ed eod or every 3 days. how are you injecting the winny and the test? high blood pressure is a common side effect of winny and your cholesterol is prob all fucked up from the winny to. This is why I hate winny. nervousness anxiety is about the only thing I would say is more do to your being stressed and out of work.


Do the hcg 500iu's eod for 10 days then the recovery stack with nolva 20mg ed for 4 weeks. I would also throw in .5 mg adex every 3 days for 2 weeks too for the little bit of gyno problem.

 

[sandman599]

thanks for the quick reply, i mentioned the 1-t just to include everything i have taken, not saying there was anything wrong with it.

i am injecting the prop 150 eod and winnie tabs 50mg/day

i understand i am shut down and that its normal during a cycle but what i am really concerned with are erection problems. usually i walk aorund with wood all day while on test and now i can hardly get a solid boner?

i was only planning on running this for 6 weeks so maybe i should just stick with it for 2 more and then pct.

 

[needtogetaas]

thanks for the quick reply, i mentioned the 1-t just to include everything i have taken, not saying there was anything wrong with it.

i am injecting the prop 150 eod and winnie tabs 50mg/day

i understand i am shut down and that its normal during a cycle but what i am really concerned with are erection problems. usually i walk aorund with wood all day while on test and now i can hardly get a solid boner?

i was only planning on running this for 6 weeks so maybe i should just stick with it for 2 more and then pct.

drop it down to 100mg of prop ed rather then ed if you do stick with the cycle.

 

[HAYEZ]

sounds to me like you have an estrogen problem....adex.5mg eod for a few days...then back down to .25 eod...and you should be ok

 

[Nelson Montana]

Odd, since winny doesnt convert to estro.. You just may be mone of those people who are extremely sensitive to gear and suseptable to gyno. Sucks. For recovery I'd recommend UNLEASHED, HMG, dex POST CYCLE and Sustain. I hate nolva.

 

[sandman599]

yes i am very gyno prone - i will get a hold of some hmg - maybe the hcg is giving me too high of estrogen spikes. i think i'm gonna stick it out for the next 2 weeks and drop the test dose but shoot ed. then do a really good pct and get blood work after. i just hope that i have not permanently fucked myself up and have to go on hrt as i'm only 29.

 

[nydj66]

If your testes have atrophied as much as you say they have, it will take a while for the HCG to restore them. After long cycles I would use 1500IU HCG E3D for 21 days. The first 4 injections didn't seem to do anything. It was only for the last two that I could feel the testosterone surge and would get my libido back.

It's best to stay on a maintenance dosage of HCG throughout a cycle to avoid testicular atrophy altogether.

 

[scotty too hotty]

A couple of people have told me that winny kills their sex drive after a few weeks. You would think that with the prop you'd be alright, though. It's probably the winstrol killing your sex drive, it seems some people are sensitive to it.

 

[sandman599]

ive used winnie several times and never noticed a decrease in sex drive before. this is my first time on prop though - i've only used sust and test e before.

i do have proviron on hand too - i can drop the winnie and add that? or use both.

 

[XrayKimono]

sounds like estrogen levels high. take .5 adex ED. SHOULD BE FINE IN A WEEK

 

[Big_Joe]

The internet is really amazing. One guy calls himself a doctor and makes up a routine of using 250 to 500 iu a week of HCG and it's repeated over and over and over again. But if you actually do just a little research on HCG on pubmed you find that the medical community uses 5000 iu three time a week of hcg to restart testosterone production in males thay have taken testosterone and are shut down. But hey you know doctors that publish in peer reviewed medical journals don't know shit. It's the guy that posts on some muscle head forum that really know what you should do.

What a bunch of idiots.

 

[bigtravis]

Wait a minute! Ya'll sayin my dicks suppose to get hard?

JK. lotta good advice here. proviron and a good jolt of hcg.

 

[HAYEZ]

The internet is really amazing. One guy calls himself a doctor and makes up a routine of using 250 to 500 iu a week of HCG and it's repeated over and over and over again. But if you actually do just a little research on HCG on pubmed you find that the medical community uses 5000 iu three time a week of hcg to restart testosterone production in males thay have taken testosterone and are shut down. But hey you know doctors that publish in peer reviewed medical journals don't know shit. It's the guy that posts on some muscle head forum that really know what you should do.

What a bunch of idiots.

theres probally a more respectful way of getting your point across dont you think?

 

[needtogetaas]

The internet is really amazing. One guy calls himself a doctor and makes up a routine of using 250 to 500 iu a week of HCG and it's repeated over and over and over again. But if you actually do just a little research on HCG on pubmed you find that the medical community uses 5000 iu three time a week of hcg to restart testosterone production in males thay have taken testosterone and are shut down. But hey you know doctors that publish in peer reviewed medical journals don't know shit. It's the guy that posts on some muscle head forum that really know what you should do.

What a bunch of idiots.

This is the last time I will ask you to show respect for other members. You can say what you have to say with out being a cunt about it. Or you can leave.

 

[nydj66]

The internet is really amazing. One guy calls himself a doctor and makes up a routine of using 250 to 500 iu a week of HCG and it's repeated over and over and over again. But if you actually do just a little research on HCG on pubmed you find that the medical community uses 5000 iu three time a week of hcg to restart testosterone production in males thay have taken testosterone and are shut down. But hey you know doctors that publish in peer reviewed medical journals don't know shit. It's the guy that posts on some muscle head forum that really know what you should do.

What a bunch of idiots.

Doctors absolutely use large dosages of HCG to restart testosterone production in males who are shut down due to steroid use. However, overuse of HCG will cause permanent desensitization of the leydig cells whichs impairs your ability to produce testosterone.

So, Dr. Swale recommends 250UI twice weekly while on TRT (or on cycle). In his experience, long term use at that dosage will not cause desensitization.

When you know all the facts it's not idiotic at all.

 

[Big_Joe]

This is the last time I will ask you to show respect for other members. You can say what you have to say with out being a cunt about it. Or you can leave.

Maybe you should read what I wrote with more intellect and a little less emotion. I insulted no one and was disrespectful of no one. I did say that the internet is amazing and in that one person can call himself a doctor then is immediately considered an authority. That's pretty idiotic don't you think? I also pointed out that just repeating what some other fool says over and over because it was on a forum that anybody can post to is idiotic. Wouldn't you agree? And I gave the solution to the problem, “But if you actually do just a little research on hcg on pubmed”, isn't that what is supposed to happen on this forum? The giving of solutions to problems? I think the reason that some people would feel insulted is they put themselves in the category of believing the BS that is put out on some muscle head forms so they see themselves as idiots because of what I wrote. So it's a choice made by the reader on if they are idiots or not. If they don't do any research on pubmed and just believe what's been repeated over and over, and been pointed out to be wrong over and over, then maybe they really are just idiots and there is no helping them.

Now to your threat about kicking me off this forum. I don't want to insult you but you have been doing a less then adequate job of keeping the quality of the posts and answers at a high level. It is a good thing that Radar is back but I am afraid it might be too little to late. And just because I use the word idiot that makes you want to kick me off the forum is not all that helpful to the forum. I get a number of Pms thanking me for the information I give and my showing that some of the self proclaimed experts on here are no so expert after all. I currently am in a long exchange of emails helping a person. They did what I told them to and gee guess what it worked. They want to know if I have any other "tricks". So if you do kick me off you would be bringing the board down not bringing it up. And this just might account for the major slippage of this forum. To much worry over language and not enough over content. Maybe you should care less about verbage and more about the quality of the post. And one last thing. If you think you have been having some sort of long lists of warning about my way of pointing out inadequate intellect you have not. If I only get one warning you should say this is your only warning not imply that there has been other warnings. And for you to say that I have to show respect to members and then call me a cunt in the very same sentence is rather contradictory don't you think. Or to you calling someone a cunt is a sign of respect????? Or maybe you just think you are above the rules imposed on others?? This is known as constructive criticism. So before you push the banned button ask yourself if maybe, just maybe, I'm right.