Epistane cycle advice first time

[ricky_bobby7]

Whats up guys, this will be my first cycle with epistane so i figured i'd ask you guys for some advice so i can get all my ducks in a row before i start.

History: I've ran a few cycles before, one ph cycle, two sust250 dbol cycles, and one ostarine s4 cycle.
I'll preload some milk thistle I have for a week before i start.

Schedule: weeks 1-6
epi 30/45/45/60/60/75
cel cycle assist 6 caps per day
Forged joint repair

week 5-6 some test infusion i have left over

weeks 7-10 (PCT)
Forged post cycle 2-4 per day
Formastanzol
DAA 3grms per day
cel post cycle (about 2 weeks worth)

I saw on some threads people were starting the forma a few weeks in the epi cycle is that a better practice? Also would it be better to taper down the epi in week 6 or keep it high?

Stats: 6'1" 194lbs 21 y.o. bf 10%

Diet: Will be mostly clean with very few carbs. Will consist mainly of chicken vegetables rice turkey eggs. protein shake morning noon and casein at night.

Other supps: your run of the mill multi and fish oil.

End goal: add 10lbs and lean out to 8.5-9%

Like i said this is my first epistane cycle and i'm looking for advice

 

[dylangemelli]

I would run hcgenerate on cycle because epi can definitely shut you down... you can start forma mid cycle... i always like to do that and run it a full 8 weeks...

pct

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com
Methyl EAA and Test Infusion mrsupps.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

 

[training700]

That's a lot of cycles for 21.. how old did you start at

 

[VICREP]

After I ran epistane my cortisol and estrogen were both extremely high. I think my prolactin is to but haven't had it tested.

Run something to control this. Maybe PES Erase

 

[ricky_bobby7]

Dylan are there any other cheaper options to run during cycle to prevent shutdown? would daa during the cycle have similar results as the hcgenerate as far as testes stimulation? Also whats the forma really doing during cycle? i know it can stimulate test production and help with estrogen (which shouldnt be a huge prob with this).

Vicrep What did you do for your pct? Did the erase do an effective job at getting those levels back in check retests? Any gyno from the high estrogen levels?

18 young i know probably not my best idea, too late now though i'm in it to win it at this point. so far so good 1 cycle a year and still kickin

as far as dosing goes how would i space it out when i get into taking four and five 15mg caps a day? before after workouts etc.

Also what do you guys think about my plan to up the dose the last week, good idea or should i taper off?

 

[Headholio]

D Spark is a combo of DAA and the same AI as PES erase. Seems like a good combo for what you are wanting.

 

[ricky_bobby7]

so you dont think the ai's in forged pct and forma are enough? I thought thats what that was for especially the forma.

 

[Headholio]

I don't know if you would need Forma and D-SPark, I'm just saying its another option.

 

[ricky_bobby7]

Alright thanks for the input man. Can anyone answer some of my questions from above ^^?

 

[ricky_bobby7]

I just ordered some hcgenerate will i be ok starting that halfway through the cycle since it wont get here for awile and just run a natty test booster until it arrives? How would you split the doses throughout the day for the epi and the support supps?

I really appreciate you guys helping me out, theres alot of knowledge and experience on this site.

Also i have epistrong from mr supps and a bottle of ep stane from dynamic formulas those are both compatible to run together because the have the exact same chemical compound correct? If these questions sound dumb so be it i just want to get my shit straight for this one. Thanks guys

 

[ricky_bobby7]

bump

 

[Fishak]

Yes, you can run both brands together. Imo, your dosing really high. For me, epi over 50mg the sides increase and results do not. I have found 40-50mg for 6 weeks is the optimum sweet zone for me.

 

[Fishak]

I just ordered some hcgenerate will i be ok starting that halfway through the cycle since it wont get here for awile and just run a natty test booster until it arrives? How would you split the doses throughout the day for the epi and the support supps?

I really appreciate you guys helping me out, theres alot of knowledge and experience on this site.

Also i have epistrong from mr supps and a bottle of ep stane from dynamic formulas those are both compatible to run together because the have the exact same chemical compound correct? If these questions sound dumb so be it i just want to get my shit straight for this one. Thanks guys

Yes, run the testbooster from the start. Add hcgenerate the moment you receive it.

here is an example epi cycle that I have ran in the past successfully.


weeks 1-6

Epi 40, 40, 40, 50, 50, 50. Take half in the am/pm

Hcgenerate 3caps am 2caps pm.

Joint supplement. (do not forget this)

N2guard 3caps am, 4caps pm

Start forma on week 5. 3-5 pumps am 3-5 pumps pm

Pct (4 weeks)

Unleashed 2 caps am, 2 caps pm
Postcycle 2 caps am, 2caps pm
Daa
forma 5 pumps am, 5 pumps pm
Clomid 25, 25, 25, 12.5

 

[ricky_bobby7]

Thanks fishak thats good to know because i would have split the dose into three and taken one mid afternoon but that makes it easier! So i'm assuming no difference with taking the pm dose before or after workout.

I would love to do the 40 and 50mg weeks but the epi i have is in 15mg capsules (slightly inconvenient), dylan suggested to run it a bit higher but i'll probably see how i'm doing in the 45mg range then decide whether to up it or not.
Is the clomid totally necessary i've heard before it can cause problems with libido and erections?

 

[Fishak]

I dose in the am and pm just to keep it simple. Epi takes about 3 weeks to really kick in for me. I believe epi has a 8-10 hr halflife (again, I think) so dosing am and pm should be acceptable.
With 15 mg caps try

45, 45, 45, 45, 60, 60

If you have manageable sides and wanna bump it to 75 thats your call. Listen to you body, not me. For me @ 60mg I got more lethargy and back/calf pumps and no extra gains. The only way is to find out for yourself though.

 

[Fishak]

I use a low dose of clomid and get no sides from it. Epi is an estrogen killer but once you come off there is a good chance the you estrogen will want to rebound. I take the route that I feel is best for me. Dylan is the king of pct's (and one of the smartest dudes here) and allways gives good data on pct's ive been using his pct 'methods'ever since he recommended it to me 18 months ago.

 

[ricky_bobby7]

Alright thanks alot man a couple last questions 1. is it better to take the epi before or after meals full stomach or empty and 2. How much time between taking the epi should i take the hcgenerate forma and cycle support like 3 hours after?

Also what were your results from the epi cycle you did?

 

[Fishak]

I take it in the morning with a shake most days and before bed.

For me I use epi for a recomp tool. Meaning I am at or below maintenance kcals and usually try to add a few lbs of muscle while slowly removing fat. Its actually hard for me to properly accomplish. Last summer I gained and retained about 5-8lbs while losing a few lbs of fat.

I am in pct now. Ran epi for 6 weeks and gained about 7 lbs with no noticable fat loss or gain. I am very happy with these modest results.

 

[ricky_bobby7]

Alright guys another question came up. If i'm running 45mg a day which is 3 caps would it be best to take 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening or take 1 cap 3 times a day like i've been doing? Which do you guys think is the most effective while keeping blood levels the most steady?

 

[Fishak]

I would do it in the morning when your natty (soon to be suppressed) test levels would be the highest.

 

[ricky_bobby7]

Alright guys progress report:

3 weeks in to my epistrong cycle and man I can already see this stuff taking effect.
I am noticeably leaner + i've gained 4 pounds so far total recomp occuring with the epi
All of my lifts are going up considerably, my bench alone has jumped 20 pounds on my one rep max
Sides so far are pretty mild with a small increase in pimples mostly on my back (to be expected)
My nipples seem a little puffier so i'm kind of getting paranoid about gyno but i've heard its really rare on a dry compound like epi. I started taking my formastanzol though just in case. Any input on this??
All in all i'm looking drier, leaner and gaining more muscle mass! I still have 3 weeks left so i'm excited to see where this ends. Great stuff so far!

 

[Oldjarhead]

So how did your cycle finish up are you happy with it? What would you do differently to improve your results?