Email Evidence in Court

[Dr.Evil]

One question and it maybe a litte far fetched...what would be the best way to delete incrimating eidence short of thrashing your computer? Let's say the feds are at your door and you need to delete everything fast.

Maybe we should focus on creating a device that would basically destroy your hardrive at a click of a button...or something similar,

i'm not a computer expert, but i can tell you there are software programs out there that will erase your hard drive, and make it appear to not have anything on there, but they will still take your computer regardless. after they do they will be able to still find ALL erased information if they wanted to.

it's best to not have any incriminating evidence on your hard drive to begin with. keep all incriminating info on an email server that you never use to communicate with, just as an information storage space.

 

[Amp]

The FBI has also created a virus to get around PGP. An email goes through the backdoor of your computer (I don't know what the F--k the backdoor is but it's compurter lingo), then it is able to record all of your keystrokes and secretyly email them to the feds. This allows them to record your keystrokes when you type your password into PGP. If you are using keys it can also go into PGP and send the keys to them.

This is expensive and time consuming and they use it to go after much bigger fish than someone buying a few bottles of test and deca. It just shows that even with the most up to date encryption technology the feds can pretty much any info they need.

 

[Dr.Evil]

even for $10k of gear i don't think they'd go through all that trouble for a steroid dealer because the sentencing would be so small. even $10k from a very cheap supplier would probably constitute less than 500 units of steroids, which means a level 6 offense in the federal sentencing guidelines. for a conviction of a level 6 offense, the judge is bound by a sentence of 0-6 months unless aggrevating factors or previous convictions apply. digging through deleted data is more for terrorists and child molesters...

also, for anyone who's thinking of shipping out gear, it would be very wise to wear gloves while handling the gear and the package. print out labels, don't let your handwriting get on there. buy the $3.50 priority mail stamps and just drop it off in a drop box. don't take it into the post office. don't leave any physical evidence that will link you to the package.

 

[Amp]

I know a key logger isn't new news - it's much more complex than the way I made it sound but the new system they have to crack PGP was developed shortly after PGP came out. I read an entire article about this on the MSN a couple months ago so I'm not just making shit up to sound smart, just letting people know that nothing is completely invincible when it comes to computers. And yes, the program I'm talking about was developed by the FBI for the sole purpose of going after a couple big Mafia people that were using PGP encryption.

 

[Dr.Evil]

for more followup check out:

http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21594

 

[argent]

Excellent post bro. Some of this info might save a bro from trouble. Karma for you

 

[solidspine]

Boy, if they take my computer, their just going to get a lot of porn.

 

[juggernaut7]

DAMN THE MAN!!

DAMN THE MAN I SAY!
GOOD POST BRO!

 

[Amp]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15268.html

Article from June 2000 discussing the mafia and how the FBI used their technology to get him. Is it admissable in court?

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,78284,00.asp

Article in January 2002, the judge declares it was o.k. for them to install the keystroke logging device

http://www.idg.net/ic_665456_1794_9-10000.html
Fbi ordered to reveal the technology

Here's a quote from this article for SK* -EliteFitness's resident software engineering expert who could have written this with a couple of API calls.

"It's not rocket science. ... I sure hope our tax dollars didn't go to their top scientists to spend all their time developing a keystroke logger," said Richard Eaton, president of WinWhatWhere Corp., a Kennewick, Wash.-based software company that makes keystroke logging tools. "They said the methodology is the security issue. ... It could be the way the data is transmitted out of the system. I don't know if it was e-mailed out of there or what."

Court records describe the key-logger system as "software, firmware and/or hardware." Lawyers on both sides are under a court order not to speak publicly about the case.

Interesting reading if you're sick of reading about fina, ala, and other gear related shit.

 

[RussianBro]

boy, wouldn't you think that they would LOVE to put their hands on EF's servers?

Good post, bro... we all have to be reminded about this once in a while... Seems like you are home, just one-on-one with your PC. But it's not true... You are being WATCHED...
I SEE DEAD PEOPLE!!!