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elevated liver enzymes
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As I've said in about 20 different threads, exercise alone can elevate ALT and AST.
Have them retested in about 8 weeks. If they are still elevated, then take a week off from lifting and again have them checked. If they are still elevated, then you may want further evaluation (liver ultrasound, Hep titers, etc.)
Elevated is considered 3x or more the normal upper limit.
Eccentric exercise can increase ALT and AST 2x the upper normal limit, easily in some people.
W6
Have them retested in about 8 weeks. If they are still elevated, then take a week off from lifting and again have them checked. If they are still elevated, then you may want further evaluation (liver ultrasound, Hep titers, etc.)
Elevated is considered 3x or more the normal upper limit.
Eccentric exercise can increase ALT and AST 2x the upper normal limit, easily in some people.
W6
w6, where did you read 3x or more is elevated? before i started my cycle i did baseline labs and all was wnl (within normal limits). and again, before the cycle i was lifting very heavy. the most recent labs are: ALT 97 (normal reference range 0-54) AST 83 (normal ref range 0-34) cholesterol also went up LDL 141 (normal ref range 65-131) : (
(3x) That's what most docs consider clinically significant.
Give it 8 weeks and retest. AST is more muscle specific, ALT more liver specific, but both can be elevated from exercise. GGT, ALK PHOS and Bilirubin are not.
LDL will almost always increase with winny.
The other issue is, how hard are you lifting now compared to pre-cycle. If you're moving more weight, there is the potential for greater muscle damage. Your drive to train harder is also a factor. The AAS cycle may have increased that, again leading to more muscle damage.
If you really want to know what is coming from the liver, take 7 - 10 days off from lifting and have your bloodwork rechecked. Otherwise, quit speculating.
It is likely that at least part if not more is winny related. Some are sensitive to the effects of c-17 alpha-alkylated orals. There are case reports of guys developing cholestatis in just 6 weeks on 20 mg/d of d-bol, while most have few problems.
W6
Give it 8 weeks and retest. AST is more muscle specific, ALT more liver specific, but both can be elevated from exercise. GGT, ALK PHOS and Bilirubin are not.
LDL will almost always increase with winny.
The other issue is, how hard are you lifting now compared to pre-cycle. If you're moving more weight, there is the potential for greater muscle damage. Your drive to train harder is also a factor. The AAS cycle may have increased that, again leading to more muscle damage.
If you really want to know what is coming from the liver, take 7 - 10 days off from lifting and have your bloodwork rechecked. Otherwise, quit speculating.
It is likely that at least part if not more is winny related. Some are sensitive to the effects of c-17 alpha-alkylated orals. There are case reports of guys developing cholestatis in just 6 weeks on 20 mg/d of d-bol, while most have few problems.
W6
Damn good info Wilson6
fitmedic you will find that nandrolone doesn't have the same inpact on LDL as winstrol and it doesn't mess with the liver hardly at all.
Nandrolone phenylprop is a great mild androgen for women that clears the system in about 4 days.
I personally never use 17aa roids anymore, although their impact on health is less in women due to the small doses taken.
RG
fitmedic you will find that nandrolone doesn't have the same inpact on LDL as winstrol and it doesn't mess with the liver hardly at all.
Nandrolone phenylprop is a great mild androgen for women that clears the system in about 4 days.
I personally never use 17aa roids anymore, although their impact on health is less in women due to the small doses taken.
RG
Yup, exact same drug. Inj version is somewhat more bioavailable mg for mg because it doesn't pass through the liver first as RG stated.
Sides are the same and a function of the c-17 alpha alkylation.
Deca and Test are by far the best AAS with regard to liver and lipid sides.
Even Ox is less liver toxic than Winny because it doesn't undergo as much hepatic breakdown, but still lowers HDL and in higher doses will affect the liver.
W6
Sides are the same and a function of the c-17 alpha alkylation.
Deca and Test are by far the best AAS with regard to liver and lipid sides.
Even Ox is less liver toxic than Winny because it doesn't undergo as much hepatic breakdown, but still lowers HDL and in higher doses will affect the liver.
W6
My tests
I can definitely confirm the retesting thing. I got my own levels done at a physical recently and The Dr's office called me up and said all your tests look good, your kidney, the barium shake thing, your cholesterol...but...is there any reason you might have cirhossis or maybe hepatitis B or C? Because your liver levels are really quite high.
I freaked out, because I've never cycled (have only screwed around a lvery little bit with prohormones) and don't drink much at all. I do have a pierced nose, and I started to wonder if maybe I got hep. from that...
So they redid the tests, and I waited for days in a pretty bad state of paranoia, and then they called me up and said, you're fine, your levels are fine. Apparently these tests are pretty sensitive, and that's the first thing they do when they get a strange result. Man, I was scared there for a while.
xoxo
Wyst
I can definitely confirm the retesting thing. I got my own levels done at a physical recently and The Dr's office called me up and said all your tests look good, your kidney, the barium shake thing, your cholesterol...but...is there any reason you might have cirhossis or maybe hepatitis B or C? Because your liver levels are really quite high.
I freaked out, because I've never cycled (have only screwed around a lvery little bit with prohormones) and don't drink much at all. I do have a pierced nose, and I started to wonder if maybe I got hep. from that...
So they redid the tests, and I waited for days in a pretty bad state of paranoia, and then they called me up and said, you're fine, your levels are fine. Apparently these tests are pretty sensitive, and that's the first thing they do when they get a strange result. Man, I was scared there for a while.
xoxo
Wyst
