Eden Club in Bangkok

[Krazykat]

just had a chat with a thai friend,

I think this idea of thai women going with westerners for status is total bull. Since the economic crash a few years back farrangs are now seen a pure money making machines. To some extent the crash is seen to be in part the farrangs fault, and the Thai`s now have little love for them. Or at least this is what I have heard.

Anyway, no beautiful, intelligent girl is going to go with some old, fat, ugly guy unless its for the money. Between some old rich Thai dude, or an old rich Farrang its a toss up, between who some women would choose who are after money.

 

[Krazykat]

just had a chat with a thai friend,

I think this idea of thai women going with westerners for status is total bull. Since the economic crash a few years back farrangs are now seen a pure money making machines. To some extent the crash is seen to be in part the farrangs fault, and the Thai`s now have little love for them. Or at least this is what I have heard.

Anyway, no beautiful, intelligent girl is going to go with some old, fat, ugly guy unless its for the money. Between some old rich Thai dude, or an old rich Farrang its a toss up, between who some women would choose who are after money.

Look any ugly, Thai girl can get an ugly Farrang! There are plenty of ugly girls in Pattaya! There is no status in being with a Westerner per se, any girl can get one.

Bottom line is that Thai women whether prostitues in the strict sense of the word, or not (and then still prosituting themselves in effect) go with ugly, old, fat farrangs for money. Why the hell would they otherwise!

Also it can be said that as for Westerners treating women better is not certainly a given truth, and for that matter only because they can`t beleive they have such a pretty girl with them.

And what about women who go with guys all over the world for their money?

 

[hellorhih2o]

just had a chat with a thai friend,

I think this idea of thai women going with westerners for status is total bull. Since the economic crash a few years back farrangs are now seen a pure money making machines. To some extent the crash is seen to be in part the farrangs fault, and the Thai`s now have little love for them. Or at least this is what I have heard.

Anyway, no beautiful, intelligent girl is going to go with some old, fat, ugly guy unless its for the money. Between some old rich Thai dude, or an old rich Farrang its a toss up, between who some women would choose who are after money.

Look any ugly, Thai girl can get an ugly Farrang! There are plenty of ugly girls in Pattaya! There is no status in being with a Westerner per se, any girl can get one.

Bottom line is that Thai women whether prostitues in the strict sense of the word, or not (and then still prosituting themselves in effect) go with ugly, old, fat farrangs for money. Why the hell would they otherwise!

Also it can be said that as for Westerners treating women better is not certainly a given truth, and for that matter only because they can`t beleive they have such a pretty girl with them.

And what about women who go with guys all over the world for their money?

I think you just managed to prove my point. "Bottom line is that Thai women whether prostitues in the strict sense of the word, or not (and then still prosituting themselves in effect) go with ugly, old, fat farrangs for money. Why the hell would they otherwise!"

Thanks for lending me a hand there!

 

[hellorhih2o]

just had a chat with a thai friend,

I think this idea of thai women going with westerners for status is total bull. Since the economic crash a few years back farrangs are now seen a pure money making machines. To some extent the crash is seen to be in part the farrangs fault, and the Thai`s now have little love for them. Or at least this is what I have heard.

Anyway, no beautiful, intelligent girl is going to go with some old, fat, ugly guy unless its for the money. Between some old rich Thai dude, or an old rich Farrang its a toss up, between who some women would choose who are after money.

So you're not even Thai yourself and you claim to KNOW because of this one friend of yours and your degree? Answer these questions truthfully, Mr UK (who has never lived anywhere else but has read about cultures in lots and lots of books):

1) Have you been to Thailand?

2) If so, how MANY times have you been to Thailand and how much TIME have you spent there?

3) How much of that time was "non-tourist" time where you really got a first hand taste of the actual culture (and not the tourist culture)?

4) Where does your Thai friend live?

5) Has it ever dawned on you that people from a specific culture (let's say the UK, just for arguments sake) might not want to portray that culture in any negative way which means that they just might give you a slightly "cleaned up" version of what's going on?

I honestly find people like you humorous. Sorry if that offends you, but I do. You’ve said yourself that you have no personal experience from any other culture and yet you feel you’re able to judge and understand any culture. There is ABSOLUTELY no way you can understand what another culture means until you’ve lived it. If you had at least lived in friggin’ France for two years, your statements about Thailand would have been more credible. The sad part is that you don’t even understand what you don’t understand. Culture, by definition, is not something you can absorb any other way than living it. Period.

I tell people all the time that I feel that I have more in common with someone from Brazil who lives in China than I do with an American who has lived his/her entire life in America, even though I’ve never lived in neither Brazil nor China. But ask anyone who has a multi-cultural background (and that's not just within his or her own country) and they’ll tell you that there’s often an instant bond between people who have experienced culture-shock themselves, even if the individual culture-shocks are dramatically different.

It’s incredibly clear to me that you don’t understand these issues (and probably don’t even understand that you don’t understand). Go spend two years abroad and you will realize that you’re not as neutral of a spectator as you think you are.

Then tell me what you think about Thailand.

 

[plornive]

Beg to differ. I've seen it first hand...

I was mainly disagreeing with the severity you were portraying. I have been around Asia a lot, and I know that there are advantages to being western. You were very absolute in your statements. For the most part, an ugly, unintelligent guy is not going to get anything anywhere. Of course there are exceptions (wealth, status, etc.).

 

[Krazykat]

yes quite Plornive, its the severity to your point hellorhih2o. Plornive is dead right, in arguing against you. You make a very specific statement that

Western men can get women in Thailand (and many other parts of Asia) no matter how old, ugly or disgusting they are. And I'm not just talking about ho's. The same thing is true about educated and beautiful women. A white man is not only a "status symbol" (in a weird way), chances are also that a Western guy will treat them better (if ever so slightly) and they're also a potential "ticket out".


Yes Thai women will go with ugly,old, fat farrangs but not for status like you said. Any Thai woman can get a farrang like that, and why go with them - money.

So now you agree with me, and forgo status and treatment points.

What you have done there is completely dismiss what your point was in your previous post!! You did not say this before at all!


Ok I`ll answer your goddamn questions!!

1) Have you been to Thailand?

YES

2) If so, how MANY times have you been to Thailand and how much TIME have you spent there?

Lost count. Each time roughly a month.

3) How much of that time was "non-tourist" time where you really got a first hand taste of the actual culture (and not the tourist culture)?

Mostly non-tourist.

4) Where does your Thai friend live?

Bangkok

5) Has it ever dawned on you that people from a specific culture (let's say the UK, just for arguments sake) might not want to portray that culture in any negative way which means that they just might give you a slightly "cleaned up" version of what's going on?

Sure, but this person actually agreed you with what you said on inital question, but upon more discussion did agree that it depends and for money not the status factor you stressed.

Where did I say I have no personal experience of any other culture?!!? I been all over the world!?!?

Oh and before I forget, I am half Thai, have half my family in Thailand, and my time there has been mostly spent with family and not typically touristy locations although of course I have done that too.

Maybe I`ll give one of my Aunts a call or something, and talk about this topic.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Yes Thai women will go with ugly,old, fat farrangs but not for status like you said. Any Thai woman can get a farrang like that, and why go with them - money.

And the difference is? I'm glad you're finally admitting that Thai women will go with ugly, old fat "farrangs" though.

Oh and before I forget, I am half Thai, have half my family in Thailand, and my time there has been mostly spent with family and not typically touristy locations although of course I have done that too.

Maybe I`ll give one of my Aunts a call or something, and talk about this topic.

No, you're not, you’re British. Your heritage might be half-Thai, but that doesn't make you half Thai if you're born and raised in the UK.

And yes, I think it would be a good idea to call your Aunts "or something" and talk about this. Just remember that denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Where did I say I have no personal experience of any other culture?!!? I been all over the world!?!?

"I was born and have lived in the UK all my life".

"I've been all over the world" does not mean that you have ever truly questioned your own (British) culture. You simply don't until you are FORCED to, which ONLY LIVING in another culture will do. You can read tons of books on sex and watch countless hours of porn, but you still don't know what sex is all about until you've actually done it. You're a Brit. You might not identify yourself as a Brit, but go live in Thailand for two years and you'll realize how British you are.

Anyway, old, ugly western men can get beautiful women in Thailand. You might hate that statement (especially since you identify yourself as half-Thai), but I'm sorry, it's true.

 

[Krazykat]

Its fair to say I am from British, since I do go along with the notion of where you are born is what you are. But right or wrong say that to people of Indian background, or Black, or Greek. I can assure you that they do not regard themselves as just British even though they were born and raised here.

I certainly didn`t regard myself as Thai other than my heritage that is for sure. But after my most recent visit I did begin to think that as detached as I am from Thailand, my hertiage is my history, not my life but its a part of me. Also Of note, though people in the UK do not regard me as British per se, people have thought I am oriental, Greek, South American all sorts.

You think I am ethnocentric because I was born and raised in the UK, well you are 100% wrong. As a sociologist I question everything, more over than you might ever realise. Of course I have British ways, but in many ways I have rejected typical British culture. And whenever I go out to a bar or pub, I never really intergrate myself into the whole experience, but am an onlooker. Not really a good thing, I find it difficult to lose myself, but true.


You don`t seem to get my point at all. I wouldn`t deny that old, fat and ugly farrangs can get women in Thailand, but they can get them anywhere! Women all over the world go with men for money one way or another. But you miss another point in that in your original post you stress not money but status, and how farrangs treat women when these are not the key factors. So again I stress you have changed your argument.

Don`t try to belittle me with your statements of me having no idea of culture, I agree that culture needs to be experienced. And that no mere words can adequately describe that experience. But my thinking goes deeper than you would ever imagine, it had to as a student of sociology.

 

[Krazykat]

Look, I just want to tie this up.

I don`t know why its getting rather personal. But this is what you said

Western men can get women in Thailand (and many other parts of Asia) no matter how old, ugly or disgusting they are. And I'm not just talking about ho's. The same thing is true about educated and beautiful women. A white man is not only a "status symbol" (in a weird way), chances are also that a Western guy will treat them better (if ever so slightly) and they're also a potential "ticket out".

Now this stresses, as I have repeatedly said, status and supposedly better treatment and lastly a potential ticket out. Not just for ho`s but beautiful and intelligent women.

Now you stress status and better treatment and also a better life/money by saying ticket out. All I said was that old, ugly, disgusting men are not going to get a woman in Thailand for anything bar money. Don`t change your argument, I`m not agreeing with you per se, but more like disagreeing. You suggest by what you have written money is not the fundamental factor but status (total rubbish) and being treated better, some truth but neglible.

Read what Plornive said, he wrote it very nicely its the severity and absoluteness of your statements.

Women the world over go with old, ugly and disgusting men for money. This status and treatment thing is basically nonsense.

 

[hippedy hop is back]

>After reading their forums, I had the impression all the members
>were middle age, obese, toupee wearing losers

Don't forget the pedophiles!

Cue up that one night in bangkok song....

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oooooooooohyeah like they were raised by wolves.