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Aug. 17, 2001 -- Investigators are trying to determine whether Rashidi Wheeler, the 22-year-old Northwestern University football player who died during a practice earlier this month, had been taking an over-the-counter "performance-enhancing" supplement called Ultimate Orange.


This product contains, among other things, ephedra, which is a stimulant that researchers believe may cause permanent heart damage, stroke, or even death.


The tragic event and its unanswered questions about supplement use have prompted renewed warnings to all consumers about the potential dangers of such products.


"We recommend that everyone, particularly young people, talk to their doctors before taking anything. They can't assume just because it's something that you can buy over-the-counter at a so-called 'health food store' or over the internet that it's good for you," says Iris Shaffer, executive director of the Blue Cross/Blue Shield Association's Healthy Competition Foundation, in an interview with WebMD.


A web site that pitches Ultimate Orange and other supplements presents the product in a matter-of-fact type of challenge: "... some people shouldn't even try the stuff. Let alone use it for workouts. How about you? Can you handle the deep breaths, the mental focus, and the primal urge to lift more weight ... more times ... for greater gains?"


Critics of unregulated sport supplements could add many other things to that "can you handle" list, such as palpitations, high blood pressure, unstable heart rhythms, strokes, breathing problems, and sudden death.


In The New England Journal of Medicine last December, researchers from the University of California, San Francisco released a study of 140 cases where people who had been using ephedra-containing supplements experienced serious side effects. About two-thirds of the cases were found to be definitely, probably, or possibly related to the use of the stimulant. The adverse events included 10 strokes, 7 seizures, 10 deaths, and 13 cases of permanent disability.


What's more, the manufacturer of Ultimate Orange was recently found liable for damages after a 29-year-old man who was longtime user of the supplement suffered a massive disabling stroke.


And ephedra isn't the only culprit; consumer health advocates urge caution in the use of products containing androstenedione, a hormone converted by the body into the male hormone testosterone, and the amino acid compound creatine.


Androstenedione, or "andro," made headlines in 1998 when it was revealed that homerun champ Mark McGwire of the St. Louis Cardinals used it as part of his training and strength-building regimen. But in a study published last November in the journal Archives of Internal Medicine, researchers showed that middle-aged men who took either andro or a similar testosterone precursor called androstenediol did not build muscle any better or faster than men who took a placebo while on the same training program. The researchers did find, however, that men who used the substances were at increased risk for heart disease.


Less is known about creatine, but early evidence suggests that its use is associated with diarrhea, nausea, cramping, muscle strain, dizziness, dehydration, and even liver and kidney damage.


The supplement is not recommended for anyone under age 18, yet as researchers at Weill-Cornell Medical College of Cornell University in New York report this month in the journal Pediatrics, "creatine is being used by middle- and high-school athletes at all grade levels. The prevalence in grades 11 and 12 approaches levels reported among collegiate athletes."


"Student athletes use a lot of things without knowing much about them. They're sold in health food stores and in private gyms all the time," says Linn Goldberg, MD, who's in the division of Health Promotion and Sports Medicine at Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU) in Portland. "Some coaches unfortunately sell these to the kids. What kid then isn't going to feel pressure to use a product that his coach is selling? Any coach selling any of this stuff should be fired."


Goldberg, who is also a research scientist in OHSU's ATLAS (Athletes Training & Learning to Avoid Steroids) program, tells WebMD that over-the-counter supplements are often gateway substances to more hard-core and even more dangerous performance-enhancing drugs such as anabolic steroids.


To young athletes looking for an endurance boost or performance edge, Goldberg has this recommendation: "Eat food. You really don't know what's in those supplements -- they're not regulated by the FDA."


The Healthy Competition Foundation posts on its web site a brand-name list of sports supplements containing either androstenedione, ephedra, and/or creatine.
 
Think of it this way it gets a lot of stupid people out of the gene pool. The majority of people dying from taking sports related supps dont do ther research. Only DF would take ephedrine if they had Asthma and then run wind sprints in hot weather. I cant believe his family is going to file a law suit. People cant take responsiblity for themselves. Dumb Ass people listen up stop blaming others for your mistakes!
 
MrO2004. Shut the hell up. Sure the man had asthma. His coachs wanted him to participate in the practice. I wouldn't want to sit on the side during practice, neither did he. Ok, take it easy man, someone just died:rolleyes:
 
So, If someone tells you to jump off a cliff you would jump using your logic. If he was smart he would realized I have asthma maybe I should be careful what type of drugs or supplements I should take. I have done extensive research on my condition as any person with a medical problem would. Maybe it wasn't a good idea taking a supplement ephedrine in it. Since I know ephedrine is dangerous for someone in my condition. Well, I have practice in hot weather with windsprints. I better sit this one out. I wouldn't want to risk having an asthma attack. I know my coaches wouldn't understand, but I dont want to kill myself. Oh hell what the heck there is no risk. I wouldn't want to lose my starting position. I'm not happy when anyone dies unless their someone like Hitler or Sadaam. But why cant people be responsible for themselves. Only an idiot does not know that particular combination is more than not fatal. If for some reason he had a mental disability that would be different. The last I looked you had to at least get a 720 on the Sat and 2.00 GPA to get in a University.
 
CHICAGO -- Northwestern football player Rashidi Wheeler had the stimulant ephedrine in his system when he collapsed during a grueling Aug. 3 workout, but the banned substance did not cause his death, the Cook County medical examiner said Monday.


"We do not think this contributed to his death," Dr. Edmund Donoghue said. "We think this is a classic case of exercise-induced bronchial asthma."


The amount of the stimulant in Wheeler's system was "well below toxic or lethal levels," Donoghue said.


"The levels are consistent with what someone might have if you had taken that supplement the day he died," Donoghue said.


Personally, i think that what he took definitely contributed to his death, but probably didnt cause it. When i tried it, it messed with my head pretty bad. So i stopped taking it. That doesnt mean everyone cant take it. All this shows is that when you put something foreign in your body that you better be careful, it does NOT mean that because 1 asthmatic died from it that EVERYONE shouldn't take it. That is faulty logic and thinking.
 
Exactly, just because a person took a supplement that may or may not have contributed to their death doesn't mean it should be banned. But because of people taking drugs, supplements they shouldn't be taking the FDA starts banning it. That just screws everybody else. I wish people would do their homework first rather than popping pills and powders they shouldn't be taking. And if you do, dont start blaming others for your mistake. Also, people with asthma have to understand the risks of associated with sports or exercise. Like it or not there are risks involved with most activities. If your not willing to take the risk then you better find something else to do.
 
I am pretty much in agreement w/Mr Olympia 2004. It seems obvious to me a lot of these guys just didn't do their research. It is a shame they died, but we aren't talking about eatin cookies and drinking Gatorade before practice; we're talking about loadin up on amphetamines basically. I have learned tons from these boards-I have stopped using some supps and I've tried some new one news based on research I've done here.

I am appalled by the fact his family is going to sue. Once you take a substance thats banned by your sports governing body, you have pretty much taken your life into your own hands. I'll bet the toxicology will show some good AAS if they look for it (this isn't a slam either-everyone should choose the supps they feel they need to be competetive at the level they want to compete at).

I seriously doubt that a lot of supps will be pulled because of all this. There is too much money involved and the family is after the university. If they got after the maker of his ephedrine supplement, they'll admit that he was taking it improperly. Who has deeper pockets: Northwestern or a sports supplement company?

FHG
 
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"We recommend that everyone, particularly young people, talk to their doctors before taking anything. They can't assume just because it's something that you can buy over-the-counter at a so-called 'health food store' or over the internet that it's good for you," says Iris Shaffer, executive director of the Blue Cross/Blue Shield Association's Healthy Competition Foundation, in an interview with WebMD.

This is crap. The average doctor doesn't know shit about nutrition other than what literature gets pushed down their pipeline from the FDA, AMA and NIH. Their job isn't to keep you healthy per se. That would be bad for business. They need you alive and in a state of semi-health so you can come back periodically and help fill their wallets.
 
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I think that depends on your doc. My doc is good and is real help. He is an athlete so he knows what is good and what is bad.

Any good nutritionist should know about this OTC stuff. Before run off to GNC they should research or consult a nutritionist.

I went to GNC (I know I suck, but thats not as bad as someone on the board who admitted to working there) and they didn't know anything, but the girl was hot so I rapped with her some. I walked down the street to the local sport supp store and the owner was selling ephdrea to a nice lady looking for a fat burner. And he was going on about the miracles of other stuff like a frickin witch doctor!! They had some really interesting stuff there, but it was as bad pricewise as GNC and the guy was going to sell me his car as well as some ProScore!! No wonder people are taking 1500mg of ECA and biting it!!

FHG
 
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