*The_West* said:i woudl also say do a show where they dont test.
but do all you guys really think that these so called "natural" drugs tested shows actually have competitors that dont juice? come off it, most of them just find ways around it. besides, you cant test for high testosterone levels or gh.
but you know what people are like, morals are rare these days. if they can, people will alwasy find a way to cheat. i bet well over half the competitors in these "natural" comps are using steroids in some form.timtim said:of course there are people who do that and they are complete loser scumbags. its like competing in the special olympics when you arent handicapped. i would be very embarrassed to say that and if someone in front of me admitted to that, i would call them out in person. thats pathetic.
ive been around bbers for a great part of my life and i have never met one who did that. i know naturals who did untested shows and had no false expectations. ive never heard of someone in a circle i was in who did that. of course it happens, those people are pathetic.
*The_West* said:but you know what people are like, morals are rare these days. if they can, people will alwasy find a way to cheat. i bet well over half the competitors in these "natural" comps are using steroids in some form.
bobbie said:If u where doin a competition which was drug tested wat gear wud u use the last 60 days so 2 b clean for it![]()
*The_West* said:but you know what people are like, morals are rare these days. if they can, people will alwasy find a way to cheat. i bet well over half the competitors in these "natural" comps are using steroids in some form.
timtim said:i believe that. imagine losing on top of cheating?
i have 100% natural friends who compete. they are genetically superior. 1 made it to the world championships, an series of untested shows, and came in top 10 for in his class in a pro qualifier.
nzrodney said:You better win if you do a tested comp, or ya gunna feel real bad!!
*The_West* said:tat, i dont know quite what has got you so annoyed. if you actually read my posts in this thread properly, you would have realised that i said i also think if he wants to juice that he should do an untested show.
i dont know why my attitude has disappointed you, all i basically said was that i doubt whether even half of the competitors in "natural" comps really are "natural" and that if people can cheat, they will cheat.
punishments are severe, but that only prompts some people to think up new ways of not getting caught, as opposed to actually going clean. how many of the top levels uk athletes do you think are chemically enhanced? most of them, id say.
im not saying any of this is fair, just speaking my mind on the way i see it.
all sports, especially the olympics.Tatyana said:That is what I find surprising. If people can cheat,then they will?
Does that apply to all areas of life?
Or are you just referring to sports, and I am assuming you mean all sports, for example, the olympics.
*The_West* said:tat, i dont know quite what has got you so annoyed. if you actually read my posts in this thread properly, you would have realised that i said i also think if he wants to juice that he should do an untested show.
i dont know why my attitude has disappointed you, all i basically said was that i doubt whether even half of the competitors in "natural" comps really are "natural" and that if people can cheat, they will cheat.
punishments are severe, but that only prompts some people to think up new ways of not getting caught, as opposed to actually going clean. how many of the top levels uk athletes do you think are chemically enhanced? most of them, id say.
im not saying any of this is fair, just speaking my mind on the way i see it.
Hold on when did i say about a NATURAL comp im not doing any show but wanted to no how guys do it as i was thinkin ALL shows where tested Poeple turn things around for no reason its a bit SAD Then others jump on the bandwagonTatyana said:That is what I find surprising. If people can cheat,then they will?
Does that apply to all areas of life?
Or are you just referring to sports, and I am assuming you mean all sports, for example, the olympics.

I think u should read wat I ASKED & NOT WAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID bfore uTatyana said:I take it that even though you are from the UK, you are unaware of how seriously they take testing and catching cheats in natural federations.
Think about Dwayne Chambers, he was caught cheating and can no longer represent England in the Olympics.
Bobbie, I am rarely rude as I am a mod, but you are pathetic.
West, I am very disappointed with your attitude as well. It says more about you than any of those 'other' people lacking in morals and always looking for a way to cheat.
If your physique is that lacking that you have to juice to do a natural competition, I suggest you either seek counselling for body perception dysmorphia, or you take up another sport or hobbie, like badminton or flower arranging.
The only qualifiers that would be drug tested that are natural in the UK at this point is the NPA, which is natural for life.
I will be doing one of those qualifiers, and I will also be investigating your profile for your location (cause I can), and letting the officials at the NPA to be aware that there is a cheater planning on entering one of their comps.
Just to let you know, this is how things go in the natural federations.
Thats y i dont compete we r al cheaters(the ones that use) & thats y the so called big dogs are big!! But again i NEVER said NATURAL SHOWtodoveritas said:1) Only pussies juice for natural shows;
2) They never test all the urine samples - It's random;
3) They never test for all compounds, just the major ones;
4) It is extremely hard to test for suspension or Var;
5) If you can't hang with the big dogs, stay off the porch and don't compete(see #1)
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