Does dividing doses weaken effect?

[lightweightt25]

I'm going to be taking a winstrol oral cycle (50mg ed) along with my base. I'm 5'11" 165lbs 10% body fat.

I was wondering if it makes a difference if I take the 50mg all in one sitting or divide it to to 25mg doses. I heard its better due to the half life but if I take 25mg doses AM and then in the PM would that weaken the effect?

Any help would be appreciated..thanks!!

 

[dabuffguy]

You should add food to your cycle. Just sayin.

Why all these skinny guys juicing up?

If you can't get decently jacked without steroids, you are doing something seriously wrong, and steroids don't really solve the problem.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Haha yeah agreed

All at once mate , that's what I do with 50 mg of winni .


Brad.

 

[lightweightt25]

You should add food to your cycle. Just sayin.

Why all these skinny guys juicing up?

If you can't get decently jacked without steroids, you are doing something seriously wrong, and steroids don't really solve the problem.

I'm not doing it to get jacked, I'm doing it purely for strength gains .. I've been lifting for about 10 yrs now, I want the edge

 

[lightweightt25]

Haha yeah agreed

All at once mate , that's what I do with 50 mg of winni .


Brad.

Thanks, I was thinking about all at once, the same time every day

 

[TheSVPdeal]

10 years of lifting and 5'11" @ 165lbs sounds like you don't know what you're doing.

You need to learn how to train and eat before juicing.

This is not an attack, it's the truth.

 

[lightweightt25]

10 years of lifting and 5'11" @ 165lbs sounds like you don't know what you're doing.

You need to learn how to train and eat before juicing.

This is not an attack, it's the truth.

I don't lift to put on weight, I'm an athlete and a pitcher at that.. I need strength not mass

 

[charomid]

if you're a pitcher, you dont want winny. winny weakens tendons and joints on alot of people (even if you take the right supps with it). so easily throwing out your shoulder while pitching is at an even greater chance. im assuming you dont want to go through tommy john surgery? if you dont, then I'd go with maybe anavar. strength gains are great but no joint pain... only downside, its a little pricey.

 

[dabuffguy]

I don't lift to put on weight, I'm an athlete and a pitcher at that.. I need strength not mass

I was a pitcher myself, and a damn good one at that, coached by the best in the business and fell short due to injury.

If you think steroids are going to help you be a better pitcher, then you are mistaken.

In fact, strength past a certain point benefits you nothing as well. Your arm's ability to throw the way you do has absolutely nothing to do with anything that can be enhanced by using steroids.

Besides, winstrol is a shitty choice. You do not want to get hard and dry, then try and increase your velocity on the mound only to send yourself to the DL.

You should be focused on putting on quality weight on your ass and legs. That will help your power, balance and stamina on the mound and you do not need steroids to make a huge improvement.

Pitchers are one of the few athletes who would be wise to avoid steroids.

Don't say you weren't warned.

 

[stevesmi]

i'm way stronger than you.. but i bet i couldn't throw a baseball as fast as you.

i would take buffguys advice, he is spot on. as is the other dude who told you winny is a bad choice. if you want your elbows and shoulder to dry up to run the winny, but i have no clue as to how that would be beneficial to have dry joints when you try and throw a ball 80mph or whatever

 

[RickRock13]

Just echoing what these guys are saying. Winny is a poor choice for you and your goal

 

[lightweightt25]

if you're a pitcher, you dont want winny. winny weakens tendons and joints on alot of people (even if you take the right supps with it). so easily throwing out your shoulder while pitching is at an even greater chance. im assuming you dont want to go through tommy john surgery? if you dont, then I'd go with maybe anavar. strength gains are great but no joint pain... only downside, its a little pricey.

yea i hear you and agree...you think even if I doubled up on joint supposrt with Glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM and fish oil it'd still be a problem? anavar does sound logical though

 

[lightweightt25]

I was a pitcher myself, and a damn good one at that, coached by the best in the business and fell short due to injury.

If you think steroids are going to help you be a better pitcher, then you are mistaken.

In fact, strength past a certain point benefits you nothing as well. Your arm's ability to throw the way you do has absolutely nothing to do with anything that can be enhanced by using steroids.

Besides, winstrol is a shitty choice. You do not want to get hard and dry, then try and increase your velocity on the mound only to send yourself to the DL.

You should be focused on putting on quality weight on your ass and legs. That will help your power, balance and stamina on the mound and you do not need steroids to make a huge improvement.

Pitchers are one of the few athletes who would be wise to avoid steroids.

Don't say you weren't warned.

Nah i agree with you. It's just that I figured that if I built up some supportive strength for a foundation ( such as legs and ass as you mentioned) that it would lead to an increase in velocity. nd I figured the winny would help with explosiveness..But I am starting to drift from it because of the joint issues..unless theres is a crazy joint support combo out there..I've known people who have taken it and got hurt and I know people who have benefited greatly in terms of MPH as well as overall power. Seems likea gamble truthefully

 

[lightweightt25]

i'm way stronger than you.. but i bet i couldn't throw a baseball as fast as you.

i would take buffguys advice, he is spot on. as is the other dude who told you winny is a bad choice. if you want your elbows and shoulder to dry up to run the winny, but i have no clue as to how that would be beneficial to have dry joints when you try and throw a ball 80mph or whatever

Yeaa I agree. And this past fall I topped out at 90mph, I was just trying to get an edge on it and hopefully get signed. Everything else is there , just need those MPH. I'm also more flexible than your average athlete.

 

[stevesmi]

I just find it amazing how steroid use is so rampant in baseball. I don't have much respect for baseball players as athletes from the buffoonery I've seen in my gym (being in FL we get the Atlanta Braves train in my gym some parts of the year)

shitty etiquette (leaving their water bottles and pen/pads on the equipment), no clue what they are doing, and skinny as hell come to mind.. these are PRO athletes for crying out loud!! compare them to NFL players and its no contest.

maybe someone can explain this to me while we are on the subject. OP what you think?

 

[dabuffguy]

I just find it amazing how steroid use is so rampant in baseball. I don't have much respect for baseball players as athletes from the buffoonery I've seen in my gym (being in FL we get the Atlanta Braves train in my gym some parts of the year)

shitty etiquette (leaving their water bottles and pen/pads on the equipment), no clue what they are doing, and skinny as hell come to mind.. these are PRO athletes for crying out loud!! compare them to NFL players and its no contest.

maybe someone can explain this to me while we are on the subject. OP what you think?

Baseball is a game of skill, not necessarily physical prowess.

You get top grade athletes in baseball for sure. Outfielders and middle infielders at the professional level have very impressive skill, speed and quickness. Just because they are buffoons in the gym doesn't mean they aren't athletic or strong or gifted.

I guarantee you if you stepped up to the plate against a 95mph you would shit your pants badly, and likewise if someone hit a 130mph line drive at your face from 90ft away. Pitchers have been killed from being hit from a comeback hit.

Lots of people think baseball is gay. It takes as much or more balls to play baseball than it does any other sport at the highest level perhaps besides motox/stunt sports.

The pros make it look casual because they are that good.

The hardest thing to do in any sport is hit a baseball. There's not another sport in the world that considers a 30% success rate excellent.


Also, the amount of steroid use in baseball is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. McGwire, Canseco, Sosa, Bagwell and lots of those guys were pretty jacked.

 

[dabuffguy]

Nah i agree with you. It's just that I figured that if I built up some supportive strength for a foundation ( such as legs and ass as you mentioned) that it would lead to an increase in velocity. nd I figured the winny would help with explosiveness..But I am starting to drift from it because of the joint issues..unless theres is a crazy joint support combo out there..I've known people who have taken it and got hurt and I know people who have benefited greatly in terms of MPH as well as overall power. Seems likea gamble truthefully

My next question is this:

What are doing diet and exercise wise to gain strength in your lower half?

Not trying to criticize, but at 165lbs, you probably doing shit that's with a damn. You need to lift heavy and eat bigger.

I'm not saying you need to weigh 210 lbs, but you child easily weigh 180 and stay and your current level of fitness and it wouldn't require steroids to get there.


The danger with steroids and you pitching is that you get dramatic results in muscle size, density and by nature tightness and stiffness, in a short period of time which is opening up the huge potential for injury.


How old are you?

 

[stevesmi]

Baseball is a game of skill, not necessarily physical prowess.

You get top grade athletes in baseball for sure. Outfielders and middle infielders at the professional level have very impressive skill, speed and quickness. Just because they are buffoons in the gym doesn't mean they aren't athletic or strong or gifted.

I guarantee you if you stepped up to the plate against a 95mph you would shit your pants badly, and likewise if someone hit a 130mph line drive at your face from 90ft away. Pitchers have been killed from being hit from a comeback hit.

Lots of people think baseball is gay. It takes as much or more balls to play baseball than it does any other sport at the highest level perhaps besides motox/stunt sports.

The pros make it look casual because they are that good.

The hardest thing to do in any sport is hit a baseball. There's not another sport in the world that considers a 30% success rate excellent.


Also, the amount of steroid use in baseball is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. McGwire, Canseco, Sosa, Bagwell and lots of those guys were pretty jacked.

the funniest thing is when they storm out of the dugouts and start making out with each other. I just don't consider it a sport bro but I see your point that hitting a ball coming at you with a stick takes a lot of skill. i don't disagree with that aspect. but they sure as hell aren't strong. i'm assuming the Atlanta Braves I see working out at my gym are the best MLB has to offer since they usually are a good team every year. who is the dude I saw with a huge gut? was that the pitcher? if so he needs to lay off the doughnuts

 

[RickRock13]

There are a lot of guys in pro ball that would make a lot of guys in the NFL look like children. You can't generalize baseball just like you can't generalize football. True a lot of guys in baseball are slender, but it depends on their role. Some of the big home run hitters are built like bodybuilders.

Yeh there are a lot of strong guys in the NFL, but look at most l quarterbacks and kickers. They don't even look like they lift. Then your linemen all look like obese pieces of lard. It doesnt take athletic ability to use 350 lbs of momentum to knock somebody down.

 

[joonp]

There are a lot of guys in pro ball that would make a lot of guys in the NFL look like children. You can't generalize baseball just like you can't generalize football. True a lot of guys in baseball are slender, but it depends on their role. Some of the big home run hitters are built like bodybuilders.

Yeh there are a lot of strong guys in the NFL, but look at most l quarterbacks and kickers. They don't even look like they lift. Then your linemen all look like obese pieces of lard. It doesnt take athletic ability to use 350 lbs of momentum to knock somebody down.

It all comes down to genetics. Almost all of these professional players were 3 sport athletes in high school. Many played baseball, football, and basketball. They just chose the sport that they felt they had the best chance in. Some even got drafted in baseball and then went to play football and still made it to the nfl. You tailor your physical attributes to the sport and position u play. Imo the op needs to look at his diet instead of steroids. 5'11" and 165? Thats pretty damn lean. U want more mph u need to work on ur legs and core. Every pitcher will tell you the power comes from the legs.

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[stevesmi]

bo jackson and deion sanders were both amazing athletes for sure .. both in football and baseball.

 

[lightweightt25]

Baseball is a game of skill, not necessarily physical prowess.

You get top grade athletes in baseball for sure. Outfielders and middle infielders at the professional level have very impressive skill, speed and quickness. Just because they are buffoons in the gym doesn't mean they aren't athletic or strong or gifted.

I guarantee you if you stepped up to the plate against a 95mph you would shit your pants badly, and likewise if someone hit a 130mph line drive at your face from 90ft away. Pitchers have been killed from being hit from a comeback hit.

Lots of people think baseball is gay. It takes as much or more balls to play baseball than it does any other sport at the highest level perhaps besides motox/stunt sports.

The pros make it look casual because they are that good.

The hardest thing to do in any sport is hit a baseball. There's not another sport in the world that considers a 30% success rate excellent.


Also, the amount of steroid use in baseball is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. McGwire, Canseco, Sosa, Bagwell and lots of those guys were pretty jacked.

10000% right

 

[lightweightt25]

My next question is this:

What are doing diet and exercise wise to gain strength in your lower half?

Not trying to criticize, but at 165lbs, you probably doing shit that's with a damn. You need to lift heavy and eat bigger.

I'm not saying you need to weigh 210 lbs, but you child easily weigh 180 and stay and your current level of fitness and it wouldn't require steroids to get there.


The danger with steroids and you pitching is that you get dramatic results in muscle size, density and by nature tightness and stiffness, in a short period of time which is opening up the huge potential for injury.


How old are you?

I'm going to start a new diet consisting of high protein and carbs...no fried foods, no processed foods...trying for at least 6000 calories a day..as far as leg workouts, ill be doing squats, deadlifts, lunges, side lunges, and callestenics like jump squats and all that

 

[RickRock13]

bo jackson and deion sanders were both amazing athletes for sure .. both in football and baseball.

Yep, both them guys were awesome

 

[RickRock13]

I'm going to start a new diet consisting of high protein and carbs...no fried foods, no processed foods...trying for at least 6000 calories a day..as far as leg workouts, ill be doing squats, deadlifts, lunges, side lunges, and callestenics like jump squats and all that

Good plan. That will throw the weight on you.

 

[dabuffguy]

I'm going to start a new diet consisting of high protein and carbs...no fried foods, no processed foods...trying for at least 6000 calories a day..as far as leg workouts, ill be doing squats, deadlifts, lunges, side lunges, and callestenics like jump squats and all that

6000 calories a day is overkill. You weigh 165, 4000 should be plenty enough.

 

[bonacris]

I'm going to start a new diet consisting of high protein and carbs...no fried foods, no processed foods...trying for at least 6000 calories a day..as far as leg workouts, ill be doing squats, deadlifts, lunges, side lunges, and callestenics like jump squats and all that

6000 is easier said than done.. unless you dont mind putting on some fat



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[lightweightt25]

nah I dont mind a little fat, as long as I gain strength and explosiveness. I'll prob shoot for 4500-5000 cal/day

 

[dabuffguy]

nah I dont mind a little fat, as long as I gain strength and explosiveness. I'll prob shoot for 4500-5000 cal/day

To give you some perspective, I can hold a weight of 245lbs at 4500 calories a day at 6 ft 2 and I'm naturally a skinny guy.

If you count 4500 calories accurately, it's probably 50% more food than you currently eat given you weigh 165.

You'll gain fat quickly and that's of no benefit. To gain quality mass, you will have to accept a certain degree of fat gain, it just comes with gaining weight in general, but don't do overkill because it's not doing you any good and is making you less healthy.

Whatever amount of food you eat right now, just increase it by 700 to 800 calories daily, much of it coming from protein and quality carbs.

 

[lightweightt25]

To give you some perspective, I can hold a weight of 245lbs at 4500 calories a day at 6 ft 2 and I'm naturally a skinny guy.

If you count 4500 calories accurately, it's probably 50% more food than you currently eat given you weigh 165.

You'll gain fat quickly and that's of no benefit. To gain quality mass, you will have to accept a certain degree of fat gain, it just comes with gaining weight in general, but don't do overkill because it's not doing you any good and is making you less healthy.

Whatever amount of food you eat right now, just increase it by 700 to 800 calories daily, much of it coming from protein and quality carbs.

I'll be sure to do that, thanks

 

[RickRock13]

To give you some perspective, I can hold a weight of 245lbs at 4500 calories a day at 6 ft 2 and I'm naturally a skinny guy.

If you count 4500 calories accurately, it's probably 50% more food than you currently eat given you weigh 165.

You'll gain fat quickly and that's of no benefit. To gain quality mass, you will have to accept a certain degree of fat gain, it just comes with gaining weight in general, but don't do overkill because it's not doing you any good and is making you less healthy.

Whatever amount of food you eat right now, just increase it by 700 to 800 calories daily, much of it coming from protein and quality carbs.

I agree with this. I originally thought about saying something about your 6k figure, but most people underestimate their calories since they dont track anything.4k is more than plenty for your weight. I weigh 20 lbs more than you, and 3500 is my normal caloric range for gaining, and it works well.

500-1000 over maintenance per day is what you should do to limit fat gain

 

[stevesmi]

I'm going to start a new diet consisting of high protein and carbs...no fried foods, no processed foods...trying for at least 6000 calories a day..as far as leg workouts, ill be doing squats, deadlifts, lunges, side lunges, and callestenics like jump squats and all that

dude it sounds like you are looking for overnight results.. not gonna happen. why are you just now starting this if you said you have been working out 10 years? building mass takes time, no such thing as overnight results.. and if you did shoot for overnight results it would be horrible for your organ health and also as an athlete its gonna backfire. you never want fast results, you want slow steady results

you should of been doing this from the start if this was your goal.. instead of catching up and doing a ridiculous amount of calories. a guy your size isn't gonna be able to get in 6K cals a day consistently unless you eat junk food. that is unrealistic. a lot of guys will eat a lot of cals 2X per week and eat like a bird the other 5 days a week. you gotta do this everyday if you are gonna make progress. i've worked with enough guys to know how it works. those guys are called weekend warriors for a reason.

if you lived near me i would love to invite you on leg day to workout with me so you can see how intense your workouts have to be to build mass. you can't go into the gym and lollygaggle for an hour and expect to get anywhere.

 

[liffalot]

Baseball is a game of skill, not necessarily physical prowess.

You get top grade athletes in baseball for sure. Outfielders and middle infielders at the professional level have very impressive skill, speed and quickness. Just because they are buffoons in the gym doesn't mean they aren't athletic or strong or gifted.

I guarantee you if you stepped up to the plate against a 95mph you would shit your pants badly, and likewise if someone hit a 130mph line drive at your face from 90ft away. Pitchers have been killed from being hit from a comeback hit.

Lots of people think baseball is gay. It takes as much or more balls to play baseball than it does any other sport at the highest level perhaps besides motox/stunt sports.

The pros make it look casual because they are that good.

The hardest thing to do in any sport is hit a baseball. There's not another sport in the world that considers a 30% success rate excellent.


Also, the amount of steroid use in baseball is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. McGwire, Canseco, Sosa, Bagwell and lots of those guys were pretty jacked.

Baseball used to be a game of skill, but I fear its moving away from that.

Now look at all of the big time players - half of them are either obese or juiced out of their mind. You have guys (who aren't pinch hitters) that can hardly jog around the bases because they're so big, and if they don't knock it out of the park they're done. The same thing has happened with pitching - where are the Randy Moss body types? They don't exist in pitchers anymore - half of these guys are just monsterously huge, so of course they can throw a ball 100 mph. Look at whats happened to pitchers in general too - nobody expects them to be able to hit a ball any more. Its becoming more and more of a type cast role sport - soon there will be hitters, pitchers, runners, and fielders, but nobody who can do all 4, and THAT is what is reducing the athleticism in baseball.

Now obviously there are quite a few positions still that require outstanding physical condition, but I agree with stevesmi - compared to some other sports where EVERYONE on the field has to be in exceptional shape, I'm not convinced.

As for the original topic of the thread, I would think that if you do end up getting signed, the first thing that they're going to tell you to do is put on some size. So you may as well get started now.

 

[charomid]

yea i hear you and agree...you think even if I doubled up on joint supposrt with Glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM and fish oil it'd still be a problem? anavar does sound logical though

ya i still wouldnt take the chance. you'll be "safer" with anavar. i use the term safer because everything needs precautions and especially with how many baseball injuries occur, winny is poor for joints regardless of what you take..

again, some people are fine, some are not. i wouldnt take the chance if i were you and i played something that involved heavily in using my joints

 

[lightweightt25]

dude it sounds like you are looking for overnight results.. not gonna happen. why are you just now starting this if you said you have been working out 10 years? building mass takes time, no such thing as overnight results.. and if you did shoot for overnight results it would be horrible for your organ health and also as an athlete its gonna backfire. you never want fast results, you want slow steady results

you should of been doing this from the start if this was your goal.. instead of catching up and doing a ridiculous amount of calories. a guy your size isn't gonna be able to get in 6K cals a day consistently unless you eat junk food. that is unrealistic. a lot of guys will eat a lot of cals 2X per week and eat like a bird the other 5 days a week. you gotta do this everyday if you are gonna make progress. i've worked with enough guys to know how it works. those guys are called weekend warriors for a reason.

if you lived near me i would love to invite you on leg day to workout with me so you can see how intense your workouts have to be to build mass. you can't go into the gym and lollygaggle for an hour and expect to get anywhere.

Its not that I expect to get overnight results. I'd like to sonsume a lot of calories because It is very hard for me to gain, I eat and eat and eat and gain nothing. Or minimal weight and the second I eat less It goes away. Or when I start working out with my team , boom weight gone mostly exept for the mucle it actually shows more from the fat melting