Do You Think We Will Pay to Rebuild Afganistan? Man, this Shit is Getting Old.

[Sushi X]

i don't think my taxes should go to rebuild that country. i do think we should lend a hand with the military and job coprs. i also think that the U.N. and NATO should throw in some cash and help out too. but i do not and will not support my tax dollars being directly handed to an afghan gov or person period. i spend enough of my tax money housin, feeding and clothing people in this country that won't work.

 

[gymnpoppa]

We should rebuild, or help them rebuild,

seeing as how we don't contribute as much to needy countries
(22nd), as we do some countries that are in much better shape,

Israel, and Egypt are hardly destitute, but for some reason we give them billions 3 bil per year in military, and "economic aid", and they're still poverty level, which lets me know we're not anywhere close to the humanitarians the government attempts to portray us as.

Funny how all of a sudden Bush, his wife, and the US is NOW concerned about Afghanistan now, those people have been in bad shape since the last war we were there. We (US) give less than most countries/nations a lot smaller, and without our economic prosperity.

Now, the administration is attempting to change that. after years of continously cutting economic aid.
according to the recent surveys, the public is under the impression that we are huge humanitarians/givers, thank your government for that lame-ass message.

Bottom line is we don't give a shit about any other country unless we're benefitting from their existence.

I'd rather my tax dollars stay here, clean up our country, get homeless people off the street.....than giving aid to Egypt and Israel.

 

[no comment]

If it is in the economic interest of the US then the US should pay for it ...

You mean WWII? Same thing with Japan. I think we should help rebuild, but it shouldn't be only the US that helps fix that place. The whole world needs to take part in the process.

Otherwise we'll be back there again.

There has been talk of a oil pipeline owned and financed by US corperations that will supposedly run through afghanastan. It is in our own economic interest that the pipeline stays intact. A stable afghanastan will help that end.

P.S. No afghan was involved in sept 11th. they were either from SAudi or Egypt.

 

[no comment]

What you are saying is true... The only difference with Europe is that Europe was prosperous before WWII and European countries were democracy....

Development money has been sent to Africa for decades and where are they now??? In deep shit because of corrupt governement, dictators and TRIBAL CONFLICTS....

Afghanistan is not united, tribes fight against each other and can not decide who should be in charge....

This is a major difference with Europe... Also the Japanese are highly organised people, devoted to their country... It does not seem to be the case of Afghans...

Anyway, babysitting them is wrong because sooner or later you will have some of them saying that infidels should not be there and should mind their own business... So we should help rebuild by educating them and providing tools not money....

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On the other hand, our government can make redevelopent guarantees, so banks can make redevelopment loans. Corporations go in to rebuild, based on those loans.
Once Afghanis are employed by those corporations, they become consumers, buying our goods and services from our corporations, which in turn pays off those loans. At least that's the way it worked with Europe after WW2.

A starving Afghanistan has nothing to loose by being violent.
A prosperous Afghanistan has an incentive to be peacefull.

 

[john937]

Notice I didn't say anything about giving money to the Afghan government.
I said we should make loan guarantees thru banks to LEND it to CORPORATIONS who manage the rebuilding.
If you make it profitable for McDonalds, Taco Bell, Radio Shack, Holiday Inn, etc
then I trust they will do a good job of managing the money to get it done.

 

[the nature boy]

look. we are all humans right? shouldn't it be the goal of all society to help all our fellow humans? especially if they are suffering? I'm not christian, but isnt' that the christian thing to do?

Do we want to go back to afghanastan? if we leave that place alone, we'll be back. It will remain a haven for terrorists if that place isn't built up.

And yes, the US shouldn't be the only ones who fix it. It should be the responsibility of the WORLD. Because the events of 9-11 have shown us that the WORLD has indeed become a smaller place. It has become a neighborhood, if you will. And shouldn't we be inclined to help our neighbor?

Again, the WORLD is responsible for the reconstruction of that land. Not just the US.

 

[no comment]

That's right... Helping the poor countries is the only way the world will be at peace...

Otherwise the people there will hate people in developed countries, wild immigration will occur (already started) and things will only get worse.

Now giving them cash is not helping them (and not helping us either)... It is merely teaching them how to beg...

That's where the problem lies. We need to rebuild the country and then teach them how to maintain and use infrastructures..

That's hard when the current adult generation in Afghanistan has only known war and fights.

So we need to make a massive commitment to these countries and actually go there and help them.

To those of you complaining about giving money to poorer people think that you could be bornin Somalia or Bengladesh and that you would certainly not be able to whine on EliteFitness

look. we are all humans right? shouldn't it be the goal of all society to help all our fellow humans? especially if they are suffering? I'm not christian, but isnt' that the christian thing to do?

Do we want to go back to afghanastan? if we leave that place alone, we'll be back. It will remain a haven for terrorists if that place isn't built up.

And yes, the US shouldn't be the only ones who fix it. It should be the responsibility of the WORLD. Because the events of 9-11 have shown us that the WORLD has indeed become a smaller place. It has become a neighborhood, if you will. And shouldn't we be inclined to help our neighbor?

Again, the WORLD is responsible for the reconstruction of that land. Not just the US.

 

[the nature boy]

That's right... Helping the poor countries is the only way the world will be at peace...

Otherwise the people there will hate people in developed countries, wild immigration will occur (already started) and things will only get worse.

Now giving them cash is not helping them (and not helping us either)... It is merely teaching them how to beg...

That's where the problem lies. We need to rebuild the country and then teach them how to maintain and use infrastructures..

That's hard when the current adult generation in Afghanistan has only known war and fights.

So we need to make a massive commitment to these countries and actually go there and help them.

To those of you complaining about giving money to poorer people think that you could be bornin Somalia or Bengladesh and that you would certainly not be able to whine on EliteFitness

wow, well said. And you're right. It's not easy to socially rebuild. But it can be done. And the world must help, include the middle eastern powers too. Sure I'm some kind of drunk idealist. So what? I honestly think the afghani's are tired of fighting. Most of the adults are dead. It's the children of that land that we must nurture, and not in a welfare sort of way. We must help them build, not just sustain. And if we go into Iraq, we'll have to do the same thing. Very very difficult.

 

[no comment]

It is made even harder by the fact that most poor countries are not democracies and that the leader will try to benefit personnally (economically) from the situation...

When you mention middle eastern powers do you mean that they should help (Saudi Arabia) or be helped (Palestine)?

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wow, well said. And you're right. It's not easy to socially rebuild. But it can be done. And the world must help, include the middle eastern powers too. Sure I'm some kind of drunk idealist. So what? I honestly think the afghani's are tired of fighting. Most of the adults are dead. It's the children of that land that we must nurture, and not in a welfare sort of way. We must help them build, not just sustain. And if we go into Iraq, we'll have to do the same thing. Very very difficult.

 

[the nature boy]

It is made even harder by the fact that most poor countries are not democracies and that the leader will try to benefit personnally (economically) from the situation...

When you mention middle eastern powers do you mean that they should help (Saudi Arabia) or be helped (Palestine)?

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I meant that they should help. It's their back yard, and we need to get other nations to realize that along with our assistance they must contribute also.

As for the democracy's thing. Don't even get me started. We must analyze why the US supports non-democratic countries in the middle east and around the world, but we claim to be a beacon of democracy. Why is this?

Your input can be used in some other political threads bro. Later.