Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347? :)

[atlasss]

Hi all, first time poster

I'm considering a 5 week cycle of RS Transaderm with Phytoserms-347

Just wondering If I need something like N2 GUARD ? (PC support)

Even though RS Transaderm is a topical thereby avoiding liver stress surely elevated Testosterone would still put overall stress on your system, eg. blood pressure ect...


Any hints tip would be appreciated.


Thanks )

 

[RickRock13]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

Hi all, first time poster

I'm considering a 5 week cycle of RS Transaderm with Phytoserms-347

Just wondering If I need something like N2 GUARD ? (PC support)

Even though RS Transaderm is a topical thereby avoiding liver stress surely elevated Testosterone would still put overall stress on your system, eg. blood pressure ect...


Any hints tip would be appreciated.


Thanks )

It's always a good idea to run N2guard as a precautionary heath support supplement with any hormonal product you are running, no matter how mild it is but I wouldn't necessarily say it is "required"

TRANSADERM and PHYTOSERMS are both great products that give respectable results with little to no side effects. You can find more information about both, as well as discounts in either of these links

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/transforming-transaderm-1257573.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

 

[atlasss]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

Thank you RickRock13

 

[atlasss]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

Another question if i may RickRock13!

Should I quite taking Pre-workouts (like D-fine8 or Mesomorph), or amino acids Bcca's whilst on this combination?


How about a fat burner like Oxyshred for example? Could these interfere with they way Tranaderm is supposed to work?





peace and thanks

 

[Shrine1]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

It's always a good idea to run N2guard as a precautionary heath support supplement with any hormonal product you are running, no matter how mild it is but I wouldn't necessarily say it is "required"

TRANSADERM and PHYTOSERMS are both great products that give respectable results with little to no side effects. You can find more information about both, as well as discounts in either of these links

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/transforming-transaderm-1257573.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

^^^ this

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[gymrat827]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

ahhhh....buddy. you need an AI with transderm + a good t booster. some of that is bound to convert to E, N2BM just came out with liquidex and your going to need it.

I use n2gaurd as a multi vit really. I pretty much take it year round.

 

[atlasss]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

ahhhh....buddy. you need an AI with transderm + a good t booster. some of that is bound to convert to E, N2BM just came out with liquidex and your going to need it.

I use n2gaurd as a multi vit really. I pretty much take it year round.

I thought tranaderm already HAD an AI built into it to prevent estrogen.

Secondly I thought Transaderm already WAS a testosterone Booster.

Either this or I'm a very very BIG Newbie

How much do you spend on N2 guard a year ? must be a lot!


I guess I need more researching *sigh* This is all too much !

 

[Shrine1]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

You definitely want to run a AI with Transaderm. You should be looking into Aromasin. AG-GUYS.COM has legit chems so start there

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[stevesmi]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

guys RS transa-derm actually contains an anti-estrogen and fat burner ingredient.. so you should be fine without an AI.. always a good idea to keep one on hand by all means but RS has you covered.

phyto meanwhile is a great pct product and is ample to use for your pct after RS.

any questions about these products PM me

 

[Shrine1]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

The only reason I said run a AI because I personally developed gyno using this alone. Learn from my mistake. I have a AI on hand at all times now like Steve mentioned

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[thedarkhalf]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

Another question if i may RickRock13!

Should I quite taking Pre-workouts (like D-fine8 or Mesomorph), or amino acids Bcca's whilst on this combination?


How about a fat burner like Oxyshred for example? Could these interfere with they way Tranaderm is supposed to work?





peace and thanks

What you run should depend on your goals. Preworkouts and BCAAs are okay, but I would not run a fat burner if putting on size is your goal.

 

[stevesmi]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

The only reason I said run a AI because I personally developed gyno using this alone. Learn from my mistake. I have a AI on hand at all times now like Steve mentioned

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yes always keep AI on hand.. its possible to still get gyno on any cycle even with an AI.. i actually recommend if you ever stack 2 wet compounds to keep your AI higher than usual.

 

[raze]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

Yep I used forma from mrsupps along side the derm

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[dylangemelli]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

Just because transaderm has ai properties does not make it an actual ai... It is a test gel and could have estrogen implications... The new liquidex at n2bm would be perfect to run with it... Incorporating sarms, especially gw 501516 would be excellent to add as well

 

[RickRock13]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

As with any hormonal product, those that are more estrogen sensitive may require an additional AI to control estrogen. Most people however should have absolutely no problems running RS-TRANSADERM without an AI.

 

[Shrine1]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

The only challenge is most guys dont know they are gyno prone... in my mind most people administrating RS are guys who dont want to pin yet but want to cycle with something. So they take RS thinking that the AI would be enough and end up like I did... developing gyno. So I hear what everyone is saying but to me its seems safer to keep estro in check and not take the chance.

Im glad liquidex was designed for scenarios like this.

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[atlasss]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

The only reason I said run a AI because I personally developed gyno using this alone. Learn from my mistake. I have a AI on hand at all times now like Steve mentioned

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Hey Shrine1, thanks for posting !

How long was your Transaderm cycle until you noticed gyno?

How long into daily usage did you notice this estrogen effect?

Also were you using Transaderm at the recommended 5 pumps a day (2 days off) for 4 weeks, with a couple weeks off in between, or at an experimental dosage (many more pumps)with a much longer run?

I will be using it conservatively so maybe I'll be ok, ...hopefully.

I'm learning heaps here so thanks to all who have helped

 

[liffalot]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

Just to parrot others, N2Guard is not necessary by any means for a cycle like this. Its main function is liver support which is generally needed for oral cycles or PCT. However, like gymrat said, it is a great multi vitamin that promotes overall wellness for athletes, so if you have the cash then absolutely add it.

Also like some other guys were saying, you should definitely look into liquidex to have on hand. And really, it doesn't hurt to start running it when you start your cycle, so you should do that just in case.

Good luck! I think you'll really like those two

 

[raze]

Re: Do I need cycle support supps. for simply using RS Transaderm and Phytoserms-347?

I would run the whole bottle so around 8 weeks @ 5 pumps plus no days off with some forma and then hit your phyto when your done and start tapering off your forma through pct.

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