DNP for Dummies

[smokinghawk]

I think the best-kept secret of medical journals on DNP is that not only is it not carcinogenic, but it ATTACKS cancer cells, and strengthens the actions of anti-tumor/anti-cancer medications.

Gee, I wonder why the puppet-of-pharmaceutical-companies FDA doesn't want that known?

 

[GateKeeper]

smokinghawk

I've read that other guys get a rebound effect after coming off DNP. Have you ever heard of this and what can be done to curtail this rebound.

 

[MrQuestion]

Here is my version of the rebound when ceasing DNP.
*NOTE: This rebound is made specifically for me since I have shitty metabolism to begin with, so there are things I can not get away with that others may be able to. People should experiment with their diets and training to their needs to see what is best for them. But there are a few rulse to obviously follow

One more thing to mention, I am now on Bromocriptine. My theory on DNP+bromo enhancing fat loss turned out to be true (ill write a full report with caliper reading and all soon) on me, so Im hoping that fixing up a fucked up metabolism will turn out be true also.

THE REBOUND and METABOLISM

The rebound can definetaly be a wonderful thing to experience, depending on a few things. If you did a high dose amount of DNP (600mg +) while eating low calories, you will probably not only get an excellent rebound of muscle but of fat as well.

If you did a medium cycle of DNP (like around 400mg) with calories kept around 10-12kcal but with little to no aerobics, then you can expect a rebound with perhaps little fat but a good amount of muscle.

I think you may get my point now that DNP will lower your metabolism to a degree dependant on how much DNP and how low your calories were.

In many cases, you really dont have a choice but to take advantage of this golden oppurtunity even if it means a small fat gain. If you are going to continue to do more cycles of DNP, you need to get T3 back up as well as your metabolism.

DIET and TRAINING

I used to fuck up when it came time to taking advantage of the rebound. I would always gain a shit load of muscle but the fat would come along with it too. I got it right the last two times but it's been awhile since Ive done any other experimentation.

A few rules to follow if you want to take advantage of this window:

WEIGHT TRAINING IS CRITICAL
In the past, I foolishly have done no weight training for about a week after using DNP. THe end result? I gained more fat than I should have. Remember, weight training helps repartion calories, increases insulin sensitivity, etc..

DO NOT PIG OUT FOR TOO LONG-TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF CALORIES
By genetics, I have a shitty metabolism. Therefore I have to be more critical than the average person in keeping track of calories. Since Im usually fucking hungry at the end of each DNP cycle, there is no way in hell I can continue to eat low calories. With leptin levels crashing and my body is thinking that is nearing death due to starvation, food and carbs come in mind.

I would usually wait 36-48 hours of my last dose of DNP to do my carb up. The reason being is simple. If there was still a good amount of DNP in my system, it would be lost as heat without optimially refilling muscle glycogen. The last thing I want is some chemical in my body eating my candy and ice cream for me when I want to eat that myself (that was the weirdest sentence I have ever wrote btw) THen there is the issue with insulin being supressed and on and on the story goes.

Before my carb up, I would do a high volume workout on my upper body. THen I would start my carb up which would be around 500 calories over maintenance. So basically I would eat 3500 worth of calories mainly of high glycemic carbs. Bread, candy, low fat ice cream, cereal, etc. Ill keep protein moderetaly high and fat very low due to DNL (basically when fat converts to fat in the body at a certain threshold). Do a search here on refeed and Par Deus at the diet discussion board here or go to www.deja.com and type in Lyle McDonald+refeed there.

On the second day I would repeat the same thing, but lower body, high volume workout. Eat more carbs for the rest of the day.

On the 3rd-the rest of the week I would eat slightly below maintenance (Around 2500-2700 calories) mainly of protein, moderate carbs and fat. Grilled chicken, protein powder, and even a hamburger at a fast food resteraunt is what I mainly eat.

DUring this time, I would add in another workout.

If you want, you bros can replace the split session workouts with a full bodyworkout prior to the carb up. In fact, a full bodyworkout with a 24 carb up is all that may be needed. I believe that Andy13 wrote something in detail on what to do when ceasing DNP.

BROMOCRIPTINE

This is what Im very curious about when ceasing DNP. THis is what Im truly excited about. Can it repair a broken metabolism by following a few steps correctly? Ill report the results in a month or so once I gather enough date on myself. Many people have asked questions to me on bromo, so please go to QFAC.com to get the answers to your questions. I am not a guru nor am I a guru on this drug. I will report the results to everyone but things are looking 'very fine' so far.

My next test will be to do a 2 day carb up, followed by a 5 days of slightly above maintenance eating. Hoping for tons of muscle gain during this time with hardly no fat gain. We'll see i guess.

 

[MrQuestion]

One thing to add was supplements (on top of a daily vitamin intake with antioxidants). I think one would truly see the benefits of loading with creatine during this time simply for the reason that creatine stores are very low since DNP robbed that from you when you went on. I believe Duchaine said something to this effect too.

ALso, I think kicking up testosterone levels during this time would make a huge impact, so a quality prohormone like Par Deus' ONE or Molecularnutrition's 1 Ethergels would be great. I have yet to do a rebound with a prohormone but I would have to assume that it would be somewhat dramatic. Of course, you have the 'real' juice available then do that instead. I think this has been discussed by a few of the mods before, so a do a search you lazy asses.

 

[the mechanic]

How is the liquid form ( TEK ) measured out for proper dosages ?

 

[EngiCream]

How is the liquid form ( TEK ) measured out for proper dosages ?

That isn't DNP.....that's what you'd use if you wanted to clean a stain that DNP made.

Here's a quote from Animal on what it is

It's soap and then you use it to clean or disinfect counters or bathrooms.

you CANNOT use this for anything else!

 

[decadense]

This DNP shit will hit the fan very soon. Every desperate overweight person will want it once it appears on the news. And trust me, it will. And as always, where there is a demand there will be a supply. Kind of scares me even though I am really into personal freedom. And I do think natural selection is needed to strengthen the human genetic pool. It amazes me how much more bodybuilders know about fat loss techniques than the general public. More than anyone else. Times are changing fast. And something is building. Something incredible. I can feel it. Or maybe it's the alcohol I feel. Anyway, what was I saying?

 

[joey10j]

great post and thanks for sharing your personal experience.
can't wait for the 2nd installment of your knowledge

 

[BBBodie]

Hypothetically speaking....since DNP is shipped wetted to avoid shipping explosions, is it then to be dried prior to capping or ??? and if so, how so?

Also, in the capping post, what types of fillers specifically would you go shopping for down at ye ole vitamin world or such ?

For sake of discussion, if you can get it shipped in 200mg wetted vials, (premeasured) and you're taking 200mg the first few days would it make sense to break this down even further into 100mg caps so that a precise dosage (instead of increments of 200) were available in your arsenel?

Inquiring minds want to know,

Bo

 

[Fonz]

HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.


Next installment: designing your own DNP caps. Purely for information's sake. Posting any of this information is not an admission that I have ever used DNP; I refer to myself in the first person as a hypothetical narrator in an academic discourse...

Excellent compilation of DNP information I'll admit.

Just one thing I'd like to say;

The issue of night-time DNP cravings.

This is where MOST people screw up while on DNP. Sleep
is next to impossible without a massive carb-induced
serotonergic surge caused by a insulinemic spike.

(Laymans translation: You pig-out before going to bed)

There are really 2 approaches.

1. For ALL users.

Pondimin or Redux. Thats fenfluramine or Dexfenfluramine.
These are CNS depressing ANORECTICS. These 2 will
permit you to fall asleep while demolishing night-time cravings.

These pharmaceuticals work WONDERS let me tell you.
They can be the difference between a crap DNP cycle
and a GREAT DNP cycle.

2. For the more advanced.

GHB+Pondimin/Redux. This stack is more dangerous because
of the fact that the sodium based GHB can DEHYDRATE
you at night. Normally, not even remotely dangerous but
it only takes one person to make that statement erroneous.
The GHB will let you sleep while the pondimin will curb hunger.
The reason for this stack is that in some people pondimin/
redux is not a strong enough aid for sleep inducing purposes.

Fonz