diuretics and competitions

[dzulboy]

question for competitors what do you do for diuretics or wate rlaoding prior to a show

what has worked well?

what hasn't?

 

[Sassy69]

How hardcore are you going? If your diet is tight and you are on target, maybe you don't need the hardcore stuff.

Natural / OTC options:
- dandelion root
- usa urvi
- have heard of some ladies using Vit B6 - I've used it on Fri / Fri night before a show.
- Taraxatone (Cytodyne?) - 10 day treatment --- is potassium sparing
- MHP Expel - 5 day treatment -- same as Tarax but a little shorter run - also potassium sparing

Non-OTC:
- diazide - fast acting diuretic
- aldactone --- debatable how great this stuff is, also potassium sparing
- lasix --you need to know what you are doing w/ this stuff because it is very short term (i.e. need to watch how u are / when u use it on show day) and not potassium sparing, i.e. this is what makes bodybuilders pass out on stage because their electrolytes are so out of whack.

I personally have used Tarax in the past and most recently Expel along w/ my water deplete & carb up. Also supplemented w/ GNC Watertrix pills (potassium sparing) and a short run of aldactone w/ 1 diazide on Friday nite -- no idea what this really did to help tho.

I don't know about for guys, but the water rebound post show sux donkey ass, so make sure you do a slow ramp back down post show to keep that 15 lb water bloat to a min -- don't load water or liquid right away and ease back into your diet w/ the sodium, high carb, fats, etc.

No experience first or even 2nd hand w/ lasix. Just be damn careful.

 

[dzulboy]

i am thinking of trying expel on friday night or aldactazide on friday morning

i am also gonna run aldactone tuesday thru sat very low dose and pound the water

how did you like the xpel?

 

[Sassy69]

Wait. I'm confused -- are you talking about the last week pre-comp? When is your contest date?

MHP Expel - I liked it - I mean its hard to say what one piece of my prep "worked the best" because my last week isn't rocket science but its got a bunch of different pieces that work together. I prefer the Expel to Tarax just because its 5 days less to deal w/ it.

Can you post up what is your plan for the last week? Water load, then deplete? Carb deplete then carb-load? Any sodium or potassium load? (I hate that stuff myself - never figured out how to incorporate that.) Switch to certain types of protein? I even ate exclusively broccoli raw. Seemed to make me dump water like crazy. Granted I actually could've used another couple weeks of dieting to drop some of that godawful estrogenic bodyfat but I still came in pretty damn lean. Not sure I could've done more to pull out any more water.

 

[dzulboy]

100 grmas of carbs a day all the way from now till thursday before the sshow (june 10th) then thursday 600-800grams and friday 600-800 grams
3 gallons a day starting on monday befor ethe show right up till midbight the day before the show 1/2 an aldactone everyday tuesday thru sat
take alook friday night and possibly eat 3-4 xpel or saturday moring pop one aldacdazide or one lasix depending on condition

i have a problem with going flat, my diet is on point my glutes are striateing my waist is down to 29 (not shitting you) i need to make weight though i am 218 right this minute an di need to be 198 I made weight 2 weeks ago for another show but i went flat

 

[Sassy69]

You mean you spill over??? I guess I can't picture this because I do a slow water deplete all week so there's nothing left by Friday nite -- I carb up about 400 g Thurs - Fri and that pretty much soaks up the rest of any subQ water I have.

Shit - so you did a show 2 weeks ago and the 218 is mostly water rebound? One thing I've heard is that diuretics don't work so good the 2nd time you use them if you run them too close together - i.e. your body hasn't really recovered & gotten back to normal from the first run when you start up w/ the 2nd run. But since you've got a 5 week window, sorta don't see that as an issue.

You obviously have waaaay different issues than I do LOL! I don't have experience w/ guys prep, but seriously ? You pound 3 gal of water all the way up to Friday? God you must spend the whole night in the bathroom.

I'm trying to imagine what makes you go flat. When you say "flat", you don't look bloaty or anything from all the water? The carbs should fill out nice, but they don't suck up all the water?

What do you think is the reason for going flat? Have you tried a slower water deplete?

Sorry - i feel like I'm coming across like an airhead because your situation is sooo different from my experience.

PM Quadsweep for some feedback. Or maybe the guys - jackedfreak, Wulfgar, etc. will chime in w/ some more relevant info.

Have you ever run Expel for the full 5 days? I gathered it was supposed to work over a period of days vs an over night dumping.


Do you have any pix from any recent comps? You sound freekin hyuge. I like striated glutes btw.

 

[dzulboy]

You mean you spill over??? I guess I can't picture this because I do a slow water deplete all week so there's nothing left by Friday nite -- I carb up about 400 g Thurs - Fri and that pretty much soaks up the rest of any subQ water I have.

Shit - so you did a show 2 weeks ago and the 218 is mostly water rebound? One thing I've heard is that diuretics don't work so good the 2nd time you use them if you run them too close together - i.e. your body hasn't really recovered & gotten back to normal from the first run when you start up w/ the 2nd run. But since you've got a 5 week window, sorta don't see that as an issue.

You obviously have waaaay different issues than I do LOL! I don't have experience w/ guys prep, but seriously ? You pound 3 gal of water all the way up to Friday? God you must spend the whole night in the bathroom.

I'm trying to imagine what makes you go flat. When you say "flat", you don't look bloaty or anything from all the water? The carbs should fill out nice, but they don't suck up all the water?

What do you think is the reason for going flat? Have you tried a slower water deplete?

Sorry - i feel like I'm coming across like an airhead because your situation is sooo different from my experience.

PM Quadsweep for some feedback. Or maybe the guys - jackedfreak, Wulfgar, etc. will chime in w/ some more relevant info.

Have you ever run Expel for the full 5 days? I gathered it was supposed to work over a period of days vs an over night dumping.


Do you have any pix from any recent comps? You sound freekin hyuge. I like striated glutes btw.

my problem isn;t spilling over its getting dry and staying hard i start to lose the wate rin my muscle that is my problem

this contest i a actually trying to get so fucking lean tha ti don;t need to use anything or maybe just an herbal one dandelion or xpel but i am worried about makeing weight

 

[dzulboy]

my problem isn;t spilling over its getting dry and staying hard i start to lose the wate rin my muscle that is my problem

this contest i a actually trying to get so fucking lean tha ti don;t need to use anything or maybe just an herbal one dandelion or xpel but i am worried about makeing weight

i took 4 xpel pills at 10pm one night i got up and pisse d9 times over the course of the night i was freakin shredded thenext day and held it for a good 36 hours BUTTTTTTTTTTT i didn;t carb up so i don;t know what the outcome will be

i am thinking if i use hebal shit it won;t eat water in my muscle

 

[Juiced]

I know what you mean when going flat, and lasix is great for doing that too you, that is why I stick to Dyazide and Aldactone, I slowly drop water 7-8 days prior to my show, mine is saturday (27th) and I am currently on 50mg Aldactone and one 37.5mg Dyazide capsule ed, and the water is coming off nice and slow, also take a bath in Epsom Salt which you can get at any supermarket and youll be amazed at how much water that will pull out of you, and it feels good on your muscles too. Also dont forget the preperation H on any spots you are holding water at and if you really want to suck out the water put on the Prep H and go tanning and lay face down in a tanning bed, wait till you see the puddle of water that comes off your abs.....All of these things will help a little bit, but I would suggest slowley dropping water 1 week before, if saturday is the show then at about wensday cut your water intake in half, thursday cut that in half again, then friday night at 6pm cut out all water and have a glass of white wine before bed......good luck.

 

[Wulfgar]

Ive both done the longer term water dropping methods and Ive also done where I have Kept my H20 intake and sodium intake sky high until 2 days out them dramatically lowered them. In my experience both are effective it really just depends on the synergy of the rest of your methodologies. Dyazide/aldactone/ sprionaldactone are all good drugs to use if your going to pull H20 off in the last week by slowly reducing H20 intake daily. Lasix should only be used the last 1-2 days @ a dosage of 20-40 mg daily. My method when employing lasix is to drink rroughly 3 gallons of H20 15 days out from the show and keep the sodum 20% above normal. this contnues as the carbs drop more and more up to about 4 days out when I carb deplete(as much as is needed for 2 days) then I drop the water back to 1.5 gallons and carb load Thursday(pop 20 mg lasix, 40 if I was using Anadrol or high dose test), friday the water drops to 1 gallon(20 more mg lasix) and continue to carb load. Water is off completely by 9 PM and I chug some wine. Woke up shredded, full hard as nails after pissing about 6 times Friday night..lol
it really comes down to knowin your body. Do a few trial runs with diruetic use on weekends leading up to the show to see what works best. lasix works fast and nasty so dont use it more than 2 days out. Spironothiazide is a good drug to incorporate instead of lasix and should be used for roughly 3 days(ive used it instead of lasix starting 3 days out and didnt experience near the same sides, but i didnt look as shredded either)
ustilize the tanning bed!! Prep H is great(are we assholes for using that?) and eat a boatload of broccoli and asparagus...natty diruteics are underrated IMHO

 

[dzulboy]

Ive both done the longer term water dropping methods and Ive also done where I have Kept my H20 intake and sodium intake sky high until 2 days out them dramatically lowered them. In my experience both are effective it really just depends on the synergy of the rest of your methodologies. Dyazide/aldactone/ sprionaldactone are all good drugs to use if your going to pull H20 off in the last week by slowly reducing H20 intake daily. Lasix should only be used the last 1-2 days @ a dosage of 20-40 mg daily. My method when employing lasix is to drink rroughly 3 gallons of H20 15 days out from the show and keep the sodum 20% above normal. this contnues as the carbs drop more and more up to about 4 days out when I carb deplete(as much as is needed for 2 days) then I drop the water back to 1.5 gallons and carb load Thursday(pop 20 mg lasix, 40 if I was using Anadrol or high dose test), friday the water drops to 1 gallon(20 more mg lasix) and continue to carb load. Water is off completely by 9 PM and I chug some wine. Woke up shredded, full hard as nails after pissing about 6 times Friday night..lol
it really comes down to knowin your body. Do a few trial runs with diruetic use on weekends leading up to the show to see what works best. lasix works fast and nasty so dont use it more than 2 days out. Spironothiazide is a good drug to incorporate instead of lasix and should be used for roughly 3 days(ive used it instead of lasix starting 3 days out and didnt experience near the same sides, but i didnt look as shredded either)
ustilize the tanning bed!! Prep H is great(are we assholes for using that?) and eat a boatload of broccoli and asparagus...natty diruteics are underrated IMHO

sound slike you knwo what works for you well i fi did tha ti would look greta friday night but by staaurday prejudgeing my muscle would not beable to ge ta pump at all my last show i drank 2-3 gallons a day up till 6 pm on friday and i did one adactizide on thursday and one on friday It was too much i drink so much water with carbing up that i flush my system of most of the wate rto begin with so i don;t need much then i am thinking aldactone alone

the last two shows i went to the the three best guys in the show (hardness wise) 2 didn;t use diuretics and 1 used adactone . the guy who used aldactone is built most like me, so i am gonna try aldactone this time ithink

 

[Wulfgar]

good deal my friend...
let us know how it goes..

 

[dzulboy]

hopefully you wil be looking at the pennsylvania state champ

 

[dzulboy]

question for competitors what do you do for diuretics or wate rlaoding prior to a show

what has worked well?

what hasn't?

bump

 

[dzulboy]

god damn it bump

 

[Quadsweep]

Ive both done the longer term water dropping methods and Ive also done where I have Kept my H20 intake and sodium intake sky high until 2 days out them dramatically lowered them. In my experience both are effective it really just depends on the synergy of the rest of your methodologies. Dyazide/aldactone/ sprionaldactone are all good drugs to use if your going to pull H20 off in the last week by slowly reducing H20 intake daily. Lasix should only be used the last 1-2 days @ a dosage of 20-40 mg daily. My method when employing lasix is to drink rroughly 3 gallons of H20 15 days out from the show and keep the sodum 20% above normal. this contnues as the carbs drop more and more up to about 4 days out when I carb deplete(as much as is needed for 2 days) then I drop the water back to 1.5 gallons and carb load Thursday(pop 20 mg lasix, 40 if I was using Anadrol or high dose test), friday the water drops to 1 gallon(20 more mg lasix) and continue to carb load. Water is off completely by 9 PM and I chug some wine. Woke up shredded, full hard as nails after pissing about 6 times Friday night..lol
it really comes down to knowin your body. Do a few trial runs with diruetic use on weekends leading up to the show to see what works best. lasix works fast and nasty so dont use it more than 2 days out. Spironothiazide is a good drug to incorporate instead of lasix and should be used for roughly 3 days(ive used it instead of lasix starting 3 days out and didnt experience near the same sides, but i didnt look as shredded either)
ustilize the tanning bed!! Prep H is great(are we assholes for using that?) and eat a boatload of broccoli and asparagus...natty diruteics are underrated IMHO

I do this exactly minus the lasix. I used diuretics for years and they went real bad for me twice and thate enough....two overalls really. Lasix works well. Aldactone, dyazide...anything electrolyte sparing messes me up. lasix seems to work because it pulls everything out. I seem to be sensitive to electrolyte shifts.

Q.

 

[gautho]

Lasix tends to give me the most predictability. Many may disagree with this, but this is what I am experienced with. 40mg Lasix IV friday night before prejudging.

 

[dzulboy]

IV is way past what i will do to win

quad can you please explaim to me better what you do you were the one i was actually waiting for to respond

 

[dzulboy]

bump again

 

[dzulboy]

ok last bump sinc ei am nto getting nay answers

 

[Sassy69]

One more bump for the night ^^

 

[gautho]

When others tried to give some advice he said he only wanted Quadsweeps advice. Maybe he should have pm Quadsweep.

 

[Sassy69]

Good point -- dzul -- pm Quadsweep - I think he's done for the night tonite.

 

[Quadsweep]

IV is way past what i will do to win

quad can you please explaim to me better what you do you were the one i was actually waiting for to respond

Sure, It seems that with potassium sparing diuretics I get really ill due to electroltye shirts. lasix spares nothing so I just replace everything and I am ok. With Thyazide drugs you do not know how much potassium is left behind while other electrolytes leeched out. Use 10mg IV laix and wait 30min. look at yourself. happy? if you piss eight ounces replace 8oz fresh spring water. not distilled...leeches. you will maintain condition this way.

Quad

 

[Makavelli]

I always use a combo of Aldactone and Lasix for my clients. Works well. Keep in mind that when you are taking diuretics too much potassium is just as bad if not worse then too little. That's why I combine a K sparing with a non K sparing diuretic. They seem to balance each other out.

 

[dzulboy]

ok so the pissing out 8 oz and replaceing 8 oz is the rule of thumb for all diretics or potassium spareing only or non potassium spareing?

and i was welcomeing any advice i am not narrowminded and will tak eanyone advice thats how we all learn

 

[gautho]

ok so the pissing out 8 oz and replaceing 8 oz is the rule of thumb for all diretics or potassium spareing only or non potassium spareing?

and i was welcomeing any advice i am not narrowminded and will tak eanyone advice thats how we all learn

Are you reconsidering IV lasix now?

 

[Makavelli]

I don't use the piss out/drink in concept. I also recommend injectable intravenous Lasix because it's much more predictable than the oral.

 

[dzulboy]

i don;t have lasix available t me at this moment in time i think i am gonna take one aldactone for 3 days before and see how i look that ngiht then possibly use an aldacdazide around 6 am