Disturbing trend among you AS users>>

[marky]

Great Post. More focus on the complex variables of training, diet and rest/recouperation are far more important than the heftyness of the doses proposed these days. Ive never done a gram a week of any stack and still built a permanent 80lbs over 10 years. Believe me when you get into your 30's and if you make it to the 40's, your body will be talking to you like it never did when you were 20 (AS or not).

 

[HardasRock]

Awesome post, I make awesome gains on only 500 mg sus / week. The guys on this board who flame this post or say its all bullshit will be the ones down the road wishing they listened to this guy. Some people on this board are just plain rude and ignorant. The guy gives good advie and you bitch at him for it. Your all losers.

 

[Manilla Gorilla]

Intelligent post. Muscle is built with your head, not a drug.
Later

 

[big kev1]

GOOD POST BRO. maybe not for everybody,but good post none the less.

 

[machoman]

I agree with you bro. good info.

 

[winstrol69]

Great post!

For those of you who flamed this guy, you are the reason I personally dont' frequent this board much anymore.

Why are you a mod then?

 

[HansNZ]

I think using examples of people who have suffered from taking AS is meaningless. I know people who have fallen ill from eating spirulina! There are always going to be some people who fall ill from anything.

If you abuse anything you will suffer consequences. It doesn't have to be AS, it could be any number of healthy or unhealthy legal substances or activities.

Even the more dangerous steroids need not give long-term health problems if you limit their intake. The human body is not as helpless as many people would have you believe. You can stress your body - it's only when you surpass your body's capacity to recuperate the you cause damage. If I stretch a rubber band, it returns to normal when I stop. It's only when I stretch it too and snap it that it doesn't recover.

You can protect yourself from all the health problems you cite. It's a case of doing your research. I am quite convinced that no one who uses AS sensibly and who takes the proper precautions will suffer negative repercussions in later life. I actually think that builing up your bones and muscles now gives you benefits in later life.

But as a concession to the sentiment of this post, most people I know who use AS have a short term perspective on things. They don't use AS properly, and most of them take unnecessary risks. Unless you control a substance people will tend to abuse it. I don't believe in control though because I don't think we should all suffer because of the irresponsibility of others. If you (fairly, not hysterically) publicise the potential consequences of using something to people then those consequences are their choice and their responsibility.

 

[Jeff_rys]

i agree with your great post, but ....

it still is up to the individual what he does.

quote you:
"I also know a amateur level body builder in my gym who is now about 40. Looks healthy on the outside, but has joints of a 100 year old man".

Looks like me, but i did get the bad joints WITHOUT the roids.
Now if i would have juiced earlier, my guess is that i would have less injuries then i have now.

Also, although the liver and kidneys are the 2 organs to watch out for (also prostate should be watched), i think everyone focusses too much on the liver and not enough on the kidneys.
Liver values can be controlled easily. And one should never ever take only something for the liver, kidneys must be included.

 

[gwl9dta4]

I agree with the low doses as well... but now I face a problem; I am currently on a test/eq cycle (500mg/600mg) and I was planning to add Trenbolone and Winny to the mix next monday. My original plans were to take 150mg tren EOD and 50mg oral winny ED (along with the 500mg test and 600mgEQ)... so my question is; is tren @ 150mg EOD an overkill? It is a strong androgen...?

Before replying please consider the following; This is THE first REAL bulk cycle for me, meaning that I want to make the most out of this in terms of fat loss (tren) and muscle mass. This is also my first real stack, because I have only done small test only cycles and one Winny-Trenbolone (50mgED/100mgEOD) cycle which I had to abort after week three because of personal issues.

So, I do want to take this cycle and go with the 150mg of tren, but is it worth it? I was all ready to go next monday but then I read this post and started thinking... What would you do??? I am 23 years old and I want to get into a good shape before summer (never seen my abs) and I was hoping this cycle could bring my body up to the next level. What do you think? Will I regret it in the future? I am in the belief that one large-dose cycle can't be that bad...?

PS. I have already planned that after this cycle I will do milder cycles anyway, like tren 75mg EOD (tops) test not over 500mg/wk, anavar only cycles etc...

-John

Well use common sence. You are starting to fall into the mentality of "just this extra CC of this drug here and there will finally, FINALLY give me the six pack i wanted" Don't fall for it. I guarantee you personally that you will be dissapointed. If not during the cycle then shortly after it. You will see.
Consider this, if you want the six pack, then analuze your diet. If it's a six pack you want then the key is your diet. Do not bulk. Try a low calorie cycle. Try the anabolic diet etc, etc... Do not susbstitute these measured with adding a new drug at fairly high dosages. How about your training, how waried is it? Perhaps you are overtrained? Look there first before reaching for the needle.

 

[gwl9dta4]

BUMP.

to stop the insanity.