I totally agree! While I haven't used juice myself, I have alot of friends that use, some even compete. They never use more than 750mgs of Test a week and that's just to front load for a week or two. Then, it's 500mgs a week with 300-400mgs of Deca or EQ. That's it!! Orals are a NO-NO!!! And, these guys are 6 feet plus, 250-275lbs. It's all about your diet, training, and recuperation. Trust me!!!