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gwl9dta4

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Hello, i am new to this board but certainly not new to working out or trying gear. I originate in Europe and let me tell you how the guys and atheletes cycle there. You may find this usefull.
The most important factor in cycling and bodybuilding is to keep you body healthy and make sure you have a long life span. Take this to mean, will you give up 10 years or more of your life span for an extra 15lbs of muscle? I hope not. Because you can still get your extra 15lbs but you will have to be more patient. You can have it but instead of waiting 6 weeks you may have to wait 16, by using compounds that are milder, safer and less harsh and use them in smaller quantities. What is the point of using Anadrol 50 and gain 30lbs with 10-15 lbs water? When all is said and done you will net a pernmanent 12 lbs at the expence of
1. extreme heart stress
2. hardening of the arteries
3. VERY unfavorable cholesterol profiles
4. Stresse to internal organs like the Liver, Kidneys, Lungs, Small and large intestines as well as the whole circulatory system. Worth it? In my opinion no. Especially if you are non competitive.
Did you know that it is commonly said that we do everything to destroy our bodies until the age of oh say 35-40. Then we all wake up and decide to become as healthy as possible, the reason being is that at that age your body will start to give you signs that you have abused it. Did you know that almost no one in this country dies of old age anymore? So what is the cause of them dieing. Well, organ failure. And take this to heart and remember your kidneys, as this organ NEVER regenerates. Every time you screw it up with harsh AS the damage is PERNMANENT. Don't believe me? Ask any competent medical professional. The symptoms may subside but the damage is there. Remember a few years ago the up and coming bodybuilding star Don Long? Well he is on kidney dialisys for life. Paul Dillet? Lots of health problems including a very badly depressed immune system. Mike Francios? VERY badly damaged digestive system. Paul Demayo? Quit because of the initial or perhaps advanced phases of kidney and liver problems. He was shocked to find this out during a routine physical when going on his girlfriends insurance plan. Only then did he state " i am not too crazy about what this sport is doing to my health". And has dropped out of site since. I also know a amateur level body builder in my gym who is now about 40. Looks healthy on the outside, but has joints of a 100 year old man as a result of all the years of heavy training and walks with a cane and is recovering from the 3rd knee surgery from torn ligaments. And i am sure i don't need to mention the severe depression you will get after you cycles. So why do i write thie? To ask you "is it all worth it?". Here is what i propose.
Stick to using ONLY nandrolone type hormones and clean high quality testosterones, as testosterones are not considered anabolic steroids by the medical community. Use no more than 600mg of test per week (no, not test suspension) and 400 mg of nandrolone TOTAL PER WEEK for a short time only and then reduce the dosages accordingly. Stay away from all oral steroids except anavar. Need more juice? Then add some primobolan or other low androgen at nomore than 200 mg per week.
REMEMBER: NEVER, NEVER, Never look to your AS for growth. Your size will NEVER come from a injection or a pill. It will come through extremly intelligent trainnig, then diet, then recovery and lifestyle and only then can you consider AS. If you follow this guidline you will be amazed on how much you can grow on 2 ampules of winstroll per week.
Using these guidelines i have gained a total of 100lbs in 4 years of training. My best gains came from using only 500mg a week of sust during the peak. That's it. Noting else. And this was after 2 years of cycling. Before that my cycles were something like 100mg of primobolan per week for 10 weeks etc. One cycle using only 100mg of winstroll per week i gained almost 15 lbs. after 5 weeks. Why? Because i train intelligently and put AS last on the list of supplements. At my peak i weighed in at 280lbs at 6'2 with 12-13%BF. All COLD: Legs 32 inches, arms 19.75, waist 34 inches, chest 52 inches. Needles to say i was big. And while off for almost 2 years i can still maintain 255 lbs weight and run a 7 minute mile.
So take care my friends and remember use as little as possible and not too often. Train right, eat right, sleep right and cycle right. Love your internal organs, as they love you enough to keep you alive. And above all be patient and intellignet your gains will come give it time, don't rush it with megadosing, crazy stacking and extended cycles. Give your body and genetics a chance.

Good health to you all, and again be PATIENT.
 
Who in the fuck is this guy??????? Oh No were gonna die!!!!!!!!! You sound like a fucking journalist from Time or People magazine, or did you just copy that out the UK edition that you have. Personally, I don't want to live past 80, I do all my shit by the book, blood tests included.

I believe most of us know what AS will do to our bodies. I wpuld rather be full of muscle and active when I die at 70. Rather than be atrophied and confined to a wheelchair when I die at 80. Tripp OUT.......................
 
You guys are misunderstanding me. If you read correctly my whole writeup, you will see that i am not your enemy, but rather a friend. I am not against cycling. Read and you will see. For all those that are safe and smart, congratulations. The article was geared to severe abusers and those that are too inexeprienced to distinguish tking 5 anadrolls from 5 d-bolls.
As far as longevity i would rather die at 90 and be active till that time while on HGH and test therapy. :)
 
the most disturbing thing among us AS users that you should be concerned about is the fact that were huge mother fu@kers and we can kick your ass.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
Hello, i am new to this board but certainly not new to working out or trying gear. I originate in Europe and let me tell you how the guys and atheletes cycle there. You may find this usefull.
The most important factor in cycling and bodybuilding is to keep you body healthy and make sure you have a long life span. Take this to mean, will you give up 10 years or more of your life span for an extra 15lbs of muscle? I hope not. Because you can still get your extra 15lbs but you will have to be more patient. You can have it but instead of waiting 6 weeks you may have to wait 16, by using compounds that are milder, safer and less harsh and use them in smaller quantities. What is the point of using Anadrol 50 and gain 30lbs with 10-15 lbs water? When all is said and done you will net a pernmanent 12 lbs at the expence of
1. extreme heart stress
2. hardening of the arteries
3. VERY unfavorable cholesterol profiles
4. Stresse to internal organs like the Liver, Kidneys, Lungs, Small and large intestines as well as the whole circulatory system. Worth it? In my opinion no. Especially if you are non competitive.
Did you know that it is commonly said that we do everything to destroy our bodies until the age of oh say 35-40. Then we all wake up and decide to become as healthy as possible, the reason being is that at that age your body will start to give you signs that you have abused it. Did you know that almost no one in this country dies of old age anymore? So what is the cause of them dieing. Well, organ failure. And take this to heart and remember your kidneys, as this organ NEVER regenerates. Every time you screw it up with harsh AS the damage is PERNMANENT. Don't believe me? Ask any competent medical professional. The symptoms may subside but the damage is there. Remember a few years ago the up and coming bodybuilding star Don Long? Well he is on kidney dialisys for life. Paul Dillet? Lots of health problems including a very badly depressed immune system. Mike Francios? VERY badly damaged digestive system. Paul Demayo? Quit because of the initial or perhaps advanced phases of kidney and liver problems. He was shocked to find this out during a routine physical when going on his girlfriends insurance plan. Only then did he state " i am not too crazy about what this sport is doing to my health". And has dropped out of site since. I also know a amateur level body builder in my gym who is now about 40. Looks healthy on the outside, but has joints of a 100 year old man as a result of all the years of heavy training and walks with a cane and is recovering from the 3rd knee surgery from torn ligaments. And i am sure i don't need to mention the severe depression you will get after you cycles. So why do i write thie? To ask you "is it all worth it?". Here is what i propose.
Stick to using ONLY nandrolone type hormones and clean high quality testosterones, as testosterones are not considered anabolic steroids by the medical community. Use no more than 600mg of test per week (no, not test suspension) and 400 mg of nandrolone TOTAL PER WEEK for a short time only and then reduce the dosages accordingly. Stay away from all oral steroids except anavar. Need more juice? Then add some primobolan or other low androgen at nomore than 200 mg per week.
REMEMBER: NEVER, NEVER, Never look to your AS for growth. Your size will NEVER come from a injection or a pill. It will come through extremly intelligent trainnig, then diet, then recovery and lifestyle and only then can you consider AS. If you follow this guidline you will be amazed on how much you can grow on 2 ampules of winstroll per week.
Using these guidelines i have gained a total of 100lbs in 4 years of training. My best gains came from using only 500mg a week of sust during the peak. That's it. Noting else. And this was after 2 years of cycling. Before that my cycles were something like 100mg of primobolan per week for 10 weeks etc. One cycle using only 100mg of winstroll per week i gained almost 15 lbs. after 5 weeks. Why? Because i train intelligently and put AS last on the list of supplements. At my peak i weighed in at 280lbs at 6'2 with 12-13%BF. All COLD: Legs 32 inches, arms 19.75, waist 34 inches, chest 52 inches. Needles to say i was big. And while off for almost 2 years i can still maintain 255 lbs weight and run a 7 minute mile.
So take care my friends and remember use as little as possible and not too often. Train right, eat right, sleep right and cycle right. Love your internal organs, as they love you enough to keep you alive. And above all be patient and intellignet your gains will come give it time, don't rush it with megadosing, crazy stacking and extended cycles. Give your body and genetics a chance.

Good health to you all, and again be PATIENT.
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Who is this faggot??
 
I read your entire post and I agree. Obviously, we should try to make the biggest gains we can on the least amount of AS, but I could have done without your life story!
 
gwl9dta4 said:
Hello, i am new to this board but certainly not new to working out or trying gear. I originate in Europe and let me tell you how the guys and atheletes cycle there. You may find this usefull.
The most important factor in cycling and bodybuilding is to keep you body healthy and make sure you have a long life span. Take this to mean, will you give up 10 years or more of your life span for an extra 15lbs of muscle? I hope not. Because you can still get your extra 15lbs but you will have to be more patient. You can have it but instead of waiting 6 weeks you may have to wait 16, by using compounds that are milder, safer and less harsh and use them in smaller quantities. What is the point of using Anadrol 50 and gain 30lbs with 10-15 lbs water? When all is said and done you will net a pernmanent 12 lbs at the expence of
1. extreme heart stress
2. hardening of the arteries
3. VERY unfavorable cholesterol profiles
4. Stresse to internal organs like the Liver, Kidneys, Lungs, Small and large intestines as well as the whole circulatory system. Worth it? In my opinion no. Especially if you are non competitive.
Did you know that it is commonly said that we do everything to destroy our bodies until the age of oh say 35-40. Then we all wake up and decide to become as healthy as possible, the reason being is that at that age your body will start to give you signs that you have abused it. Did you know that almost no one in this country dies of old age anymore? So what is the cause of them dieing. Well, organ failure. And take this to heart and remember your kidneys, as this organ NEVER regenerates. Every time you screw it up with harsh AS the damage is PERNMANENT. Don't believe me? Ask any competent medical professional. The symptoms may subside but the damage is there. Remember a few years ago the up and coming bodybuilding star Don Long? Well he is on kidney dialisys for life. Paul Dillet? Lots of health problems including a very badly depressed immune system. Mike Francios? VERY badly damaged digestive system. Paul Demayo? Quit because of the initial or perhaps advanced phases of kidney and liver problems. He was shocked to find this out during a routine physical when going on his girlfriends insurance plan. Only then did he state " i am not too crazy about what this sport is doing to my health". And has dropped out of site since. I also know a amateur level body builder in my gym who is now about 40. Looks healthy on the outside, but has joints of a 100 year old man as a result of all the years of heavy training and walks with a cane and is recovering from the 3rd knee surgery from torn ligaments. And i am sure i don't need to mention the severe depression you will get after you cycles. So why do i write thie? To ask you "is it all worth it?". Here is what i propose.
Stick to using ONLY nandrolone type hormones and clean high quality testosterones, as testosterones are not considered anabolic steroids by the medical community. Use no more than 600mg of test per week (no, not test suspension) and 400 mg of nandrolone TOTAL PER WEEK for a short time only and then reduce the dosages accordingly. Stay away from all oral steroids except anavar. Need more juice? Then add some primobolan or other low androgen at nomore than 200 mg per week.
REMEMBER: NEVER, NEVER, Never look to your AS for growth. Your size will NEVER come from a injection or a pill. It will come through extremly intelligent trainnig, then diet, then recovery and lifestyle and only then can you consider AS. If you follow this guidline you will be amazed on how much you can grow on 2 ampules of winstroll per week.
Using these guidelines i have gained a total of 100lbs in 4 years of training. My best gains came from using only 500mg a week of sust during the peak. That's it. Noting else. And this was after 2 years of cycling. Before that my cycles were something like 100mg of primobolan per week for 10 weeks etc. One cycle using only 100mg of winstroll per week i gained almost 15 lbs. after 5 weeks. Why? Because i train intelligently and put AS last on the list of supplements. At my peak i weighed in at 280lbs at 6'2 with 12-13%BF. All COLD: Legs 32 inches, arms 19.75, waist 34 inches, chest 52 inches. Needles to say i was big. And while off for almost 2 years i can still maintain 255 lbs weight and run a 7 minute mile.
So take care my friends and remember use as little as possible and not too often. Train right, eat right, sleep right and cycle right. Love your internal organs, as they love you enough to keep you alive. And above all be patient and intellignet your gains will come give it time, don't rush it with megadosing, crazy stacking and extended cycles. Give your body and genetics a chance.

Good health to you all, and again be PATIENT.
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You make some very good points. I agree with most of what you said.
 
"I read your entire post and I agree. Obviously, we should try to make the biggest gains we can on the least amount of AS, but I could have done without your life story!"





Thank you!!

As for the mofo that threatens to kick my ass, next year i will be 300lbs 10%bf, up from 280. So take your 225lbs(if you're lucky) average buils ass outta here. (damn all this on 2 ampoules of sust per week.)
 
Here we go, someone comes and writes a sensible post about using AS in moderation and safety and all the goddamned teenagers have to rip his fucking head off. Only pussies take steroids to get big enough to rip someones head off, grow up.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
"I read your entire post and I agree. Obviously, we should try to make the biggest gains we can on the least amount of AS, but I could have done without your life story!"





Thank you!!

As for the mofo that threatens to kick my ass, next year i will be 300lbs 10%bf, up from 280. So take your 225lbs(if you're lucky) average buils ass outta here. (damn all this on 2 ampoules of sust per week.)
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What a fag. No one threatened to kick your ass. And what is a "buils"?
 
oh my god, we're all going to die one day!!!!!!!!! what r we going to do??????? holy shit i'm scared!!!!!!!

:worried: :worried: :worried:
 
I think you've climbed a bit high on that soap box. You make a few good points, but you're a bit extreme. Good judgment is in order, but not everybody can hit 280 lbs. as easily as you did, Mr. superior genetics m0f0 guy.
 
This is good advice he is giving, I think as we get older we will all tend to agree with him. Why are some coming down on him? He did not post anything derogatory or insulting,he is just offering some solid advice especially for those of us that have no plans of competing.
 
Itotally agree. I gained 25lbs with only 6 amps of sust, then I took two more for nothing just to make it 8 weeks. I kept it all, plus 5 pounds while I was taking clomid. I also lost 2% bf.
 
Man we have some immature people here. Good post. Though you may have superior genes compared to most you still layed down the basic rules to follow which I think sound rational. Too bad most don't follow it.
 
Trevdog said:
I think you've climbed a bit high on that soap box. You make a few good points, but you're a bit extreme. Good judgment is in order, but not everybody can hit 280 lbs. as easily as you did, Mr. superior genetics m0f0 guy.
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Dude i am just trying to help. That's it. And no i do not have good genetics. I merely worked out hard for 4 years before trying gear but was fortunate enough to meet people that told me what i told you guys here tonight. I took it to heart and followed it and got to where i am at today. Just returning the favor. Again no superioir genetics here. At 15 years old i weighed in at 185 lbs 25% bf. Took lots of hard work, determination and patience. Also fyi im only 26 years old.

Believe in yourselves. Like Arnold used to say, you MUST envision what your body WILL LOOK LIKE every workout. This is a powerfull method of making great gains.
 
man, i'm just playing, chill out. i think this is an intelligent post, but at the same time i think most of us know the side effects, and obviously its something we're willing to risk/deal with to accomplish our goals. lighten up, have some fun!!!!
 
Excellent post! The ones responding negatively won't go anywhere in life with attitudes like that. Wisdom = LONGEVITY

ya hear that little boys..LONGEVITY! Don't forget that word when you burn out by the time your 24.
 
You have written a great post. I totally agree with what you have to say. It seems that you have good genetics and a strict diet and training regime. It doesn't get any better than that.

To those that criticize, please post a pic of your amazing bodies or write something coherent and contribute to the board (instead of being a parasite). Otherwise, it would be wise to take the advice of my version of an old maxim..."If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything at all (because you are just advertising your ignorance to the board)."
 
gwl9dta4 said:


Dude i am just trying to help. That's it. And no i do not have good genetics. I merely worked out hard for 4 years before trying gear but was fortunate enough to meet people that told me what i told you guys here tonight. I took it to heart and followed it and got to where i am at today. Just returning the favor. Again no superioir genetics here. At 15 years old i weighed in at 185 lbs 25% bf. Took lots of hard work, determination and patience. Also fyi im only 26 years old."


Maybe I overreacted. I know you are trying to help, and as I said, you make some good points, but IMO people are not going to drop dead from careful use of dbol or winstrol, which you have forbidden. And if you do not have good genetics and have made those gains depsite them, I must have the worst genetics in the world.


I didn't really mean to insult you, which is why I used the term "m0f0" in homage to the almighty Amaf/uou/m0f0.
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Trevdog said:
gwl9dta4 said:


Dude i am just trying to help. That's it. And no i do not have good genetics. I merely worked out hard for 4 years before trying gear but was fortunate enough to meet people that told me what i told you guys here tonight. I took it to heart and followed it and got to where i am at today. Just returning the favor. Again no superioir genetics here. At 15 years old i weighed in at 185 lbs 25% bf. Took lots of hard work, determination and patience. Also fyi im only 26 years old."


Maybe I overreacted. I know you are trying to help, and as I said, you make some good points, but IMO people are not going to drop dead from careful use of dbol or winstrol, which you have forbidden. And if you do not have good genetics and have made those gains depsite them, I must have the worst genetics in the world.


I didn't really mean to insult you, which is why I used the term "m0f0" in homage to the almighty Amaf/uou/m0f0.
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HERE>> you must never assume that your genetic's are shitty. Remeber that there is a HUGE difference in training for strenght and muscle growth. Contrary to popular belief the 2 are not very closely related. I will give you an example: while training some time back i could never overcome growing my arms beyond 17.5 inches. Nothing i could do worked. I changed routines, used strick form and could curl (using straight bar) 155lbs for 10 reps in perfectly strict form and tempo. No size gains, i thought i maxed my arms out. Then i shifted my concentration from curling the weight to making my muscle contract till it burned so hard it felt like it will rip off the bone:p , Well within 4 weeks curling only a 30lb bar my arms went to 19.2 inches cold. Moral? It's the training not the drugs that make or break you. You have to discover whay stimulates your body, don't just lift weights.
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I can't believe the level of ignorance on this thread. The guy gives solid advice and his personal opinions from what he has learned thus far and he gets flamed for it?

This is the anabolic forum where we talk about anabolics and our personal knowledge of them. That is what he did.

##spiderbaby##
 
Hey whatta fag!

Listen bro I have taken 3 cycles already and each time my cholesterol has been fine and all other tests. Screw this lil vagina. Let him go put on his momma perty pink panties while spreading peanut butter all over his testicles.
 
Re: Hey whatta fag!

Eddie George said:
Listen bro I have taken 3 cycles already and each time my cholesterol has been fine and all other tests. Screw this lil vagina. Let him go put on his momma perty pink panties while spreading peanut butter all over his testicles.
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Hmmm!!! Well don't we sound educated:toilet:
 
Even though you're only advocating responsible dosages, the tone of your message is preachy and counter to the spirit of all 'core lifters. I sentence you to two fina pellet injections and twenty-four hours of non-stop ten sets of ten rep German volume training with Prong's "Snap my fingers, snap your neck" playing on repeat.
 
"You have written a great post. I totally agree with what you have to say. It seems that you have good genetics and a strict diet and training regime. It doesn't get any better than that.

To those that criticize, please post a pic of your amazing bodies or write something coherent and contribute to the board (instead of being a parasite). Otherwise, it would be wise to take the advice of my version of an old maxim..."If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything at all (because you are just advertising your ignorance to the board)."
(quoted by 2thick)


I agree as well.

These little boy's on the board of late feel if they can squeeze just one more cc in their bodies, then finally, magically they will receive the body they desire.

It doesn't work like that.I've been using steroids for well over a decade.I have reached the best shape of my life.I am currently training for the Texas State Championships for next year.I'm using 300mgs of test,200mgs of EQ and 200mgs of deca a week.That's it.

This is nothing compared to what I have used in the past.And I feel great.I have an appetite, my skin looks good, my sex drive is(high) normal,which really isn't normal for me.

You guys talk and talk about these drugs 1Gm of this and 1Gm of that ,Like they are correct doses,it is sad.You don't have a clue,I thank God that there wasn't an Inet in the "80's when I started.

The real secret is nutrition and training.If you boy's don't like to hear this,It's not exciting enough for you! Too Bad!, this is the real truth!!

Yeah' it takes dedication to make it to your training every Tday and br there both mentally and physically.It's also true dedication to eat around the clock as well.

Poor genetics I hear?Give your body a chance first.You may be surprised.I know I am
 
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Good post dude. You maybe should have a presented it a little differently but you're right for the most part.
 
small doses for extended periods of time may work for some people, but not for me. i usually dont make any gains after 6wks, even with eq or deca.
 
Rush,
I guaranty your gains have subsided because of 2 things.

1)Your body has reached a set point and you have to up your calories to meet the new anabolism that is occurring .Feed the faster metabolism,you have to stay with it.It is a never ending process
2)you body has adapted to the physical stress and you have to up your intensity.

Remember ,in the first few weeks into a cycle,longer ,depending on the esters you are using,The first signs of weight gain are from glycogen retention and fluid retention.When they quick gains subside, and they will, do not be fooled
into thinking that your cycle in now ineffective.

Deca and EQ are just starting to work after a month into a cycle if you haven't uploaded.
 
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Rush,
I guaranty your gains have subsided because of 2 things.

1)Your body has reached a set point and you have to up your calories to meet the new anabolism that is occurring .Feed the faster metabolism,you have to stay with it.It is a never ending process
2)you body has adapted to the physical stress and you have to up your intensity.

Remember ,in the first few weeks into a cycle,longer ,depending on the esters you are using,The first signs of weight gain are from glycogen retention and fluid retention.When they quick gains subside, and they will, do not be fooled
into thinking that your cycle in now ineffective.

Deca and EQ are just starting to work after a month into a cycle if you haven't uploaded.
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I AGREE 200%. Glad to see that someone shares my views in these matters. Common mistake is to look at the AS first before you analyze the rest, meaning diet and training.
 
Friend,
As a 40 yr old BB I can tell you your post is very close to the truth.
I cringe everyday when i see some of the cycles on this board.

Hopefully there not really doing what they post.

I for one appreciate the post.

Take care
Doggy
 
Why some of you choose to reject and belittle a legitimate viewpoint is beyond me

What great educated responses from many of you guys...I dont care how "preachy" this guy sounded..He was largely respectful and presenting some good info. from a often ignored perspective....regardless, he still presented some valuable logical info. whether personal opinion or not....I dont completely agree with everything he had to say but take it as you will and grow in wisdom....instead some of you get crazy defensive and demonstrate your maturity and desire for knowledge by utilizing your superior name-calling abilities....I have been around this board for almost 2 years and still have under 300 posts....Unfortunately, I feel more comfortable lurking in the shadows and learning....because it is often a waste of time to post some legitimate info. and have 85% of replies be flames....

2Thick had a good response.....PEACE
 
A lot of you guys are straight up RETARDS!!! This was a good ,EDUCATED post. The trend of mega-dosing is bullshit!! I know 2 older pros who have serious kidney issues from yrs of abuse. The smallest amount of gear possible is best. GOD- I've been off for a while and I KNOW I look MUCH BETTER than most of you pimply 20 yr olds. Its all about education
AMP- Help me out here

J
 
It'd good to see some educated posts returning!

Welcome gwl9dta4.Is your name pronounced as it sounds?May we just call you Tony ?It does simplfy things a bit.(hehe)
 
Good post gwl9dta4 I agree with you completely. You can clearly see the different posts between the teenagers (not all) that think they are indestructible and the older guys on the board that have been around gyms for years and have seen guys fuck themselves up permanently. Get used to it. Some of them will learn some will be the guys you and I have seen disappear.
Genarr3
 
I agree, very informational post. Sounds like you have made excellent gains on very little juice. Keep up the good work and keep us posted. By the way welcome!
 
yep, i agree, the aproach and presentation was all wrong. first thing you did wrong was the title. "disturbing trend among you AS users" you make it sound as though you're holier than thou riding up to this board on your high horse. when you say "you" you're refering to everyone excluding yourself. now if you titled it, "Disturbing trend among steroids users" it would have been differently. secondly, the whole post you talk down upon us like we're little children. do you think you're bad ass cause you're almost 300 pounds and can run a 7 minute mile? whoopty fuckin doo. we've got marines, army, and others on here that are bad asses. i could pick this whole thing apart if i wanted to. the general point of this is good and i agree, but there are a million other posts just like it in the archives. you're not the first person that came up with this idea.
 
Whats the point of this board?
I thought it was for people to share knowledge and info of what has worked from experience so we all can achieve the common goal of improving ourselves. gwl9dta4 was speaking from his experience so why is he getting flamed. If he is 300lbs and >10%bf obviously it has worked for him and he wants to share it with us. Maybe he sounds preachy but who cares!!!! I think what gwl9dta4 had to say was interesting. Imagine not having to spend a ton of money and saving your health all while you get jacked. Sounds good to me.


Peace

-Chuck
 
I would have flamed this guy to hell a week ago... on tuesday though I got back on gear, but because of fear of worsening my slight gyno I am using relatively low doses (.7ml tren ED + 25-30mg dbol and 40mg nolva ED) and am reacting just as fast as when I was doing stuff like a gram of tren a week+ 100mg anadrol ED and some winstrol and slin. I am going to have to rethink my whole approach to cycling now. I am also more willing to believe Lee Priest's claims of conservative steroid use.

BTW in the past I made my most permanent gains while I was "bridging" with anavar.

everyone responds differently though, so I don't think there is one universal "correct" way to use steroids.
 
2Thick said:
You have written a great post. I totally agree with what you have to say. It seems that you have good genetics and a strict diet and training regime. It doesn't get any better than that.

To those that criticize, please post a pic of your amazing bodies or write something coherent and contribute to the board (instead of being a parasite). Otherwise, it would be wise to take the advice of my version of an old maxim..."If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything at all (because you are just advertising your ignorance to the board)."
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Nuff said!! :fro:
 
2Thick said:
You have written a great post. I totally agree with what you have to say. It seems that you have good genetics and a strict diet and training regime. It doesn't get any better than that.

To those that criticize, please post a pic of your amazing bodies or write something coherent and contribute to the board (instead of being a parasite). Otherwise, it would be wise to take the advice of my version of an old maxim..."If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything at all (because you are just advertising your ignorance to the board)."
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i agree 100%.................:)



peace bb79
 
Good post bro !! please ignore some of the kids on this board they wouldn't realize they have damage to there bodies until the 10th med opinion.
 
wesdog said:
yep, i agree, the aproach and presentation was all wrong. first thing you did wrong was the title. "disturbing trend among you AS users" you make it sound as though you're holier than thou riding up to this board on your high horse. when you say "you" you're refering to everyone excluding yourself. now if you titled it, "Disturbing trend among steroids users" it would have been differently. secondly, the whole post you talk down upon us like we're little children. do you think you're bad ass cause you're almost 300 pounds and can run a 7 minute mile? whoopty fuckin doo. we've got marines, army, and others on here that are bad asses. i could pick this whole thing apart if i wanted to. the general point of this is good and i agree, but there are a million other posts just like it in the archives. you're not the first person that came up with this idea.
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Wesdog-You are an absolute retard. This guys is not trying to be a hard ass-he's trying to help the endless people on this board that have no clue about self adinistering gear.He's not even talking down-How old are you?? You act like you just turned 3 yrs old.
...and please spare me...I bet I can take 1/3 of the gear you take and make you look like Richard simmons-grow up..this guy is trying to educate..fuckin' bite me

J-
 
Interesting thread. I was in my mid-thirties before using gear, having trained for 20 years. That was a personal choice as I was a tall, big guy without anabolics. The cycles I use now are about one third of what the typical user on the board uses but it works for me. I do know that when I was 18 I was indestructible and immortal and hated being preached to.
 
Here is a typical "first cycle" reccomendation made by Germans on a German BB Board:
10 Weeks Deca 200-400mg per week. (or Primo)

Thats it. It is almost always followed by the comment, save the harder stuff, ie. D-Bol or Test for later.

Stacking, running Test at more than 500mg per week, and cycles that run for longer than 12-14 Weeks are looked down upon as being unnecessary and unhealthy.

What's MY opinion of that? Sometimes I think they are suggesting such mild cycles that the person should just not do a cycle at all.
MY opinion is, first cycle? virgin receptors? Make the most of it. But then again, I'm an American living in Germany...;-)

Willi
 
gwl9dta4 I agree with you %100

Those little, young, impatient juiceheads will see in the future how the health becomes SOO IMPORTANT. Most of them will beg to God to live a few years longer. "I'd rather die young but live well, look nice" is a mentality of Morons. All these things are temporary, your health is the biggest asset you can have in this world.
 
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Good post, don't worry about all the flamers, they're probably just pissed cause mommy didn't wipe their arse for them today :)
 
how about this?.....whoever is older than 60 years old and using AAS please post here. I bet we dont get many truthful responders.


Thats because there are a miniscule percentage of guys who have surived to be over 60y/o while on gear.



T
 
DocTodd said:
how about this?.....whoever is older than 60 years old and using AAS please post here. I bet we dont get many truthful responders.


Thats because there are a miniscule percentage of guys who have surived to be over 60y/o while on gear.



T
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I wouldn't go that far.
1) Many people don't have a reason to use gear past the age of 60. They don't have the desire to look as good as they did in their prime and have moved on to other things, like fishing.
2) Using gear over the age of 60 would generate serious health problems. I know alot of people will say, "they're the same health problems as we have now" but over the age of 60 they are alot more succeptible to them.
3)I don't know too many 60 year olds that know how to use the internet. :D
 
gw9...you are now experiencing the phenomenon that diminished my posting frequency at this board. Trying to help here is not always easy. I understand your post perfectly, and while I am not in total alignment with it, the essence is valuable. I always appreciate any posting that prioritizes health issues over image issues.

But then again, alot of these guys would prefer to be buried massive than walking small.

Don't let them discourage you...your input here is greatly welcomed and, quite franky, a nice change of pace from the all too often tough guy steroid junky post that just keeps on appearing.

Thanks for your sharing an intelligent, introspective point of view.
 
good post gwl9dta4 im with you :angel: over use and miss use gives AS a bad name but im not gonna stay away from a little dbol :D
 
TEXASAMM said:
Rush,
I guaranty your gains have subsided because of 2 things.

1)Your body has reached a set point and you have to up your calories to meet the new anabolism that is occurring .Feed the faster metabolism,you have to stay with it.It is a never ending process
2)you body has adapted to the physical stress and you have to up your intensity.

Remember ,in the first few weeks into a cycle,longer ,depending on the esters you are using,The first signs of weight gain are from glycogen retention and fluid retention.When they quick gains subside, and they will, do not be fooled
into thinking that your cycle in now ineffective.

Deca and EQ are just starting to work after a month into a cycle if you haven't uploaded.
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Texas-- Get off this board!! You're not allowed to be a member here with logically sound and rational thoughts like that!

It amazes me the number of guys on this board who are just plain idiots.. And, I mean to distinguish between "ill-informed" guys and just plain idiots. You're just ill-informed when you think your abs are really two different muscles-- upper and lower abs.

Now-- you're just a fucking idiot when you have heard that "rectus abdominus" is one muscle but you think somehow that you are right and the thousands of exercise physiologists with PhD's who study this shit every day are wrong...

There's a lot of that kind of stupidity on this board..

To the guy who started this thread--- I see your points and agree... BTW- if you can be 300lbs at 10% bf off of two sustanon/week then you should be a pro BBer... You have the best genetics in the world..

Andy
 
Thanks bro. I can see where people who are deep into lifting and taking some of the AS you mentioned not to use, would get a little aggro. I am a newbie though man and I am glad you posted. For those people that shit on you I think maybe they need to learn to take what you need and throw out the rest. What you said is very logical I just don't know why that would make people this pissed. Anyway no hard feelings people dude is just trying to offer some thought. I appreciate it man.
 
if it makes you feel anybody I liked your post 2, everyone has there own opinions and as you can see they displayed them. Its good you know what you know, and I wish I could get great gains like you on that low of a dose, congrats bro on 280, thats sweet, later
 
Lets not blame gear for Paul Demayo's falling off the planet. You can blame it on lifestyle. He was fucked up because of recreational drugs. Pot and sleeping pills to go to bed and amphetimines to wake up in the morning will mess with anybody, not to mention he probably drank heavily and used liked 5 abombs a day.
 
Everyone that keeps flaming the post after 2Thick replied seems to be telling 2Thick that what he says doesn't matter. I would think when a moderator puts his 2 cents in that the stupid ass comments would stop, goes to show you who respects the mods.
 
this person is 100% correct...Ive cut my doses and illimated most of the androgens and feel much better and growing better as well...great post...
I will never use anadrol again
 
Defenitely a good post, it could have been said in a different manner, but you defenitely make some good points and realize the dangers of heavy cycles and enourmous amounts of gear...
YUM
 
TEXASAMM said:

You guys talk and talk about these drugs 1Gm of this and 1Gm of that ,Like they are correct doses,it is sad.You don't have a clue,I thank God that there wasn't an Inet in the "80's when I started.
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I have often thought back to when I was using regularly and am also greatful that there was no internet back then. I made great gains on dosages that are laughable on this board (200mg deca per week, or 20mg of dbol per day - without stacking either). If I had access to a board like this I would have ended up using tons of juice when I could have gained easily with so much less.

Many of the first cycle recommendations I see on this board blantantly scare me. I have even seen some mods here suggesting 1+grams for first cycles.
 
1-2 years ago I would have called you a pussy and moved on with my business.

Now I know better!

When you get older you realise that with gear more is not better.

I now realise that I am not undestructable and that I have to keep these organs for the rest of my life. If I screw too much with my cardiac system then I am the only one that will suffer in the long run.

Most people new to the game don't realise that the side effects aren't all immediate. We may see them only in 20 years from now.

600mg of Test with 400mg of Deca is a very potent stack and should make almost anyone grow. Unless you are part of the genetic elite that are professional bodybuilders. Remeber that is only 1% of the population.

I do compete and this year I had a very complete stack of Test, Winny, Fina, Anadrol, Clen, T3, Eca, Proviron, Nolva, Clomid, Yohimbine, Hcg. My average AAS per week was above 1000mg.

I didn't win that show I was beat by RoNiN from this board. He was using 350mg of Winny and a little clen that is it. It puts things into perspective.

Drugs help us but diet and training is key.

I have never slacked on diet or training but I have given drugs more importance then they should have.

In the long run stick to low doseages and stay away from toxic stuff like orals and you will be healthier and just as big.

From now on I will stick to mostly Test and Deca or Test and Eq and keep the doseages low.

You must realise the reason we get so much acne and physical side effects on big cycles is because our body just can't handle all that juice. We may be wasting juice and compromising our health with all these megadoses.

Recently I was doing 1200mg of test per week and the results were nearly the same as 600-800mg of Test.

Why should I stay on 1200mg Test? For more acne?
 
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good post bro,im still new to the AS world but ive learned alot within the past 3 years on discussion boards
 
POST OF THE YEAR!!

I couldn't agree more with what you said. I was ignorant when I started, I wish I had your advice then. But let me be the first to say, moderation is the key, I've always said this....

And to you dumbbass rookies, don't knock on this guy. If this was a MOD saying this, you'd all be kissing his ass. Newbies need to smarten up quick if you're going to be on the same board as me........
 
"gwl9dta4", I like your point. I never go for to harsh steroids as well. You have to consider the future as well.
Simple test, primobolan, winny and anavar is what I would consider doing !!!

I also think a lot of guys here tell they take more then they really do ! I see great results of 2 amps of Testoviron (250 mg/ml)/week + some Humalog. Check my pictures out at "pictures of members" - I gained a hell lot of just food and a mild cycle !

Also, 280lbs sounds like a lot for a guy claiming he only takes 2 amps of sus/week. But what do I know? You might have the best genetics in the world, even though you say you havn't got it !!! :)
 
Give the guy a break, if it's worked for him, then it works for him. If you don't agree, don't try his methods.

At the end of the day the dude's just bringing another point of view to the board for the purposes of helping others.

I happen to think some of his points are valid.
 
he has validity in his message,yet the tone of the message is comming across like he is some prophet that parted the atlantic to come and give us this message from the almighty ones....
 
that's all great advice

i'm finding myself in a similar position, as i am 28, have cycled for six years, and trained for 12 years

there comes a point where you have to ask yourself "is this all worth it?"
don't get me wrong, i've benefitted enormously from AAS use and built my physique to a level that i never could have otherwise, but i never went overboard on the doses and i'm STILL having some problems with my ASS being just burned out from all the injections

there's simply no free lunch any way you cut it
intelligent USE is the way to go
 
Very intersting post......I am 33 and u are correct, as u get older your body will definately tell u the abuse that it has taken over the years.

It is sad all the shit this guy has taken, talking about moderation. When your in your teens, everything is balls to the wall. u live your life wide open....so it translates into these hate posts when someone speaks moderation.

Some guys may someday thing back to this post and realize that u are correct.....moderation is key to a healthy long life!
 
I agree with this post but his views are nothing new. Plus his presentation of his points are delivered very poorly. If you want to help people out do not talk down on them(you,you,you,etc...) or stereotype them(disturbing trend among AS useres) as if eveyone who does AS is guilty of a certain behavior. Everyone is different and that's the bottom line!!!
 
You have written a very informative and helpful post. Hopefully the point of your message reached some people. However, it seems there are a lot of immature people with the most ignorant comments. You are entitled to post whatever you want and with this being a good post, I support you on that. Those who aren't experienced enough to know (which shows by their childish comments) will eventually find out that diet and training are the key and steroids are the last piece of a much bigger puzzle. Keep posting your advice, you are giving knowledge that most have learned too late.
 
Great post!!! The things you talking about are the things I think about every day, I really like seeing that there are still people on the board that that are thinking about the future not just the now.


Great post.
ORCA
 
I like your post very much and agree for the full 100% with your views. Thanks for sharing your experiences !
:fro:
 
I totally agree! While I haven't used juice myself, I have alot of friends that use, some even compete. They never use more than 750mgs of Test a week and that's just to front load for a week or two. Then, it's 500mgs a week with 300-400mgs of Deca or EQ. That's it!! Orals are a NO-NO!!! And, these guys are 6 feet plus, 250-275lbs. It's all about your diet, training, and recuperation. Trust me!!!
 
I agree with this post,you should always try to make the best gains you can on the least amount of juice.I also agree with staying away from some of the harsh orals.Too many of the people on this board have never tried light cycle,they have done huge cycles from day one and dont know what it is like to make good gains off small doses.
 
In his last article before his death, Dan Duchaine recommended Test@600mgs a week for a 1st cycle. No Dbol! No Deca! No EQ! He said this was more than enough to gain some serious size!!!
 
well yea, AS abuse can take 10 yrs of your life away but people are also living longer. who wants to live to be that old? and like you said, hardly anyone dies from old age anymore. people die because their bodies have gone through so much, not just AS users. im not flaming you, i agree that people shouldnt abuse AS. unfortunately, some people (like myself) dont follow that rule.....until something happens.
 
I can definitely appreciate everything that you are saying. The only thing that you have to consider is that you are saying it to mostly Americans in here. Being an American I can tell you that it will not fly. We are the people who want everything NOW, no matter what the costs. Spoiled.
I agree with a lot of what you said, you sound very intelligent to me. The thing is, a lot of the people in here live fast and think that they won't mind giving up the ten years of their life, until they have to face the reality of it. Then most will be sorry.


Thanks for the great post.
 
Shit...give the guy a break...I think it was an intelligent post...anyone have the right to choose his way of life, to choose what he puts in his body and at what dosage....so please respect other opinions...most facts are actually right...but said in a different manner....get to your full potentiel naturally and then experiment slowly with a.s., adjust your cycles according to your goals but never overlook diet and exercise.....anyway I'm sure you get the point...may be it gets to me cause I'm getting close to 40..lol.....and I do hope to live longer and stronger....I've been cycling heavier then what he described but I wish I had made gains on lower doses....so be careful...from a guy who gots gyno surgery years ago from lack of experience....
 
A good post, but I foresaw all of the yelling coming. Whenever anyone writes a controversial post, it seems like the angry people are the most likely candidates to reply to it. I think that it was a little bit preachy, though, and if you preach here people will bite your head off (i know). But keep up the good work, and keep writing good posts, no matter what anyone else (whos raging with testosterone) says.
 
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