Dissapointed with Tren

[WannaBeBig72]

This is my first time running TrenAce, I started it almost 2 weeks ago in the middle of a long 16 week cycle. I'm almost done with week 8 now. Started the Tren week 7. Running 37.5 mgs ED. I've only managed to squeeze out another rep and a half out of my bench press (was hoping to look like Arnold by now!, obvioully kidding). Maybe my gear is underdosed. I haven't really had any sides from it, either. I mean you know you hate to get sides (but at least you know it's real if you do). I did get that metallic taste the first couple of injects, but not anymore. Maybe my gear is just weak or something. I have cut calories (was hoping to gains some lean mass). I don't go over 3000 since starting up the tren. Maybe I was expecting too much? Maybe it's underdosed or bunk?

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

dont expect too much. if your already on test and dbol say then adding tren isnt going to push your bench up by 3-4 reps... 1-2 is what is expected but its still a gain.. up your cals maybe?

 

[WannaBeBig72]

dont expect too much. if your already on test and dbol say then adding tren isnt going to push your bench up by 3-4 reps... 1-2 is what is expected but its still a gain.. up your cals maybe?

I was on NPP for 6 weeks prior (also on Test and EQ). And I saw some real good gains (I added about 30 pounds on my bench press ). Maybe I should bump it up to 50mgs. I've got a little over 6 weeks to go...

 

[mrdeeznuts]

I was on NPP for 6 weeks prior (also on Test and EQ). And I saw some real good gains (I added about 30 pounds on my bench press ). Maybe I should bump it up to 50mgs. I've got a little over 6 weeks to go...

what type of tren? homebrew?

 

[WannaBeBig72]

what type of tren? homebrew?

"Reputable" UG Lab. Swisher. There was a post up here today about them.

 

[axe3]

Wanna: Yer tren is good to go...you are on the low end of the dosing schedule. You could up it a little. You have obviously made great gains with the other drugs which may be hiding some of what the tren has done. Are you harder, and more vascular; how is your eating been?

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Wanna: Yer tren is good to go...you are on the low end of the dosing schedule. You could up it a little. You have obviously made great gains with the other drugs which may be hiding some of what the tren has done. Are you harder, and more vascular; how is your eating been?

Yeah I did make some good gains. I guess I'm harder. I've cut back on my calories a bit too. About 2800-3000 a day. 6 meals plus PWO. The TrenAce is from a different lab then the rest of my gear. I have enough to up it to 50mgs so think I'm going to do that. What the hell right? I'm not getting any sides from it.

 

[axe3]

absolutely...if you are not getting any sides bump it a little. Also if you want to grow you got 2 eat. I have a feeling when you bump your dose and get your calories back up you will start to see some strong results!

 

[Tux]

Eat more and up the dosage. You're taking a very low-end dose so results, especially after the initial gains from NPP/test/EQ, won't be dramatic. Just eat more and up the dose a bit, you should see more hardness and a few more lean lbs, but nothing drastic. Wait till you take over 100mg/day, THEN you'll see more of the magic

 

[parteeman]

I gotta tell you I was profoundly disappointed with my tren ace experience. I ran it up to 150mg eod, and though I gained some strength and seemed to be little harder, the minimal gains did not outweigh the negatives--serious tren cough after injecting and absolutely no ability to keep it up no matter how hot the company. I will never touch the stuff again. If you're going to run something that kills your wood and your libido, go for mid-dose deca (400-800mg each week). That gave me a net 15 lbs of lbm along with mid-dose test. For me, test with gh or igflr3 and a 17AA kickstart (and eod letro at .5mg) works best with virtually no side effects.

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Eat more and up the dosage. You're taking a very low-end dose so results, especially after the initial gains from NPP/test/EQ, won't be dramatic. Just eat more and up the dose a bit, you should see more hardness and a few more lean lbs, but nothing drastic. Wait till you take over 100mg/day, THEN you'll see more of the magic

I guess no magic at that low of a dose. I'll up it to 50 starting tomorrow. I haven't seen any sides yet. I almost feel calmer on it ironically enough. I''ve got some TBol laying around so am contemplating wether I should pull the triger on that...

 

[Tux]

Hey why not? Tren/dbol was one of my best cycles, strongest I ever got was on that cycle, and tren is alot like dbol without the water bloat. Pull the trigger

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Hey why not? Tren/dbol was one of my best cycles, strongest I ever got was on that cycle, and tren is alot like dbol without the water bloat. Pull the trigger

Fire away...Te big penguin tells me to pull the triger! Who am I to disagree with an oversized penguin??

 

[boston789]

Ive used tren in three different cycles. It is the best steroid out there. A test/tren/winny cycle is prob the best cycle ive ran to date!

 

[zips92]

It would be very difficult for me to say Tren Ace is junk or worthless, and doesn't deliver results. Unrealistic expectations on your part........hard for another bro to say because we all react differently. I indeed had the same experience with tbol, but just about everyone swears it is the real deal, and I found out I wasn't dosing enough.

Also, the common thread to every cycle, no matter what your goals, is diet. You may be on to something regarding calories and or protein intake.

No sides at all on tren? Now that seems to be a little unusual. Could indeed be low dosage for you or weak gear.....certainly not unheard of. Check your diet/calories, then your dosage. Hang in there bro.

 

[MR. BMJ]

You have to give it a little longer test than 2 weeks. bump it up to 75mg/day and increase your calories and you will see a big difference. You stated that you have cut calories to gain lean mass...WHY? If you are comparing Tren to NPP at a lowered caloric intake, it isn't gonna be a fair comparison. Bump the calories back up and then compare 75mg/d of tren to the NPP. Decide either to lean-up or bulk, no in-between, or you will be disappointed (unless you are a genetic freak).

note: NPP will more than likely yield a greater weight increase than Tren. You will not appreciate tren by it effect on weight gain. Instead, gauge tren by its body tranformation effects (mirror look)......then you will understand its power. You will also get veinier on tren, which will help with appearance.

BMJ

 

[Outtlaw]

This is my first time running TrenAce, I started it almost 2 weeks ago in the middle of a long 16 week cycle. I'm almost done with week 8 now. Started the Tren week 7. Running 37.5 mgs ED. I've only managed to squeeze out another rep and a half out of my bench press (was hoping to look like Arnold by now!, obvioully kidding). Maybe my gear is underdosed. I haven't really had any sides from it, either. I mean you know you hate to get sides (but at least you know it's real if you do). I did get that metallic taste the first couple of injects, but not anymore. Maybe my gear is just weak or something. I have cut calories (was hoping to gains some lean mass). I don't go over 3000 since starting up the tren. Maybe I was expecting too much? Maybe it's underdosed or bunk?

Or maybe you're just running a fucked up cycle that no one would run to begin with. I swear I dont know how some of you guys come up with these off the wall cycles. 37.5mg/day??? Who runs tren like that? Run it how it's supposed to be run and you'd probably get results. 75-100mg/day is where you should be starting from. Stop trying to re-invent the wheel. People get big by sticking to the basics because they work.

 

[flex2win]

When I brewed my own, I blew the hell up!!
37.5mg/day just ain't cuttin it, minimum of 75mg/ed here...

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Or maybe you're just running a fucked up cycle that no one would run to begin with. I swear I dont know how some of you guys come up with these off the wall cycles. 37.5mg/day??? Who runs tren like that? Run it how it's supposed to be run and you'd probably get results. 75-100mg/day is where you should be starting from. Stop trying to re-invent the wheel. People get big by sticking to the basics because they work.

What's so fucked up about my cycle bro? Because I'm running 37.5mgs a day? What do you have trouble with fractions or something? It's my first time running it, and alot of knowledgeable bros on this board recommended 75mgs EOD. And as per Ulter's recommendation to reduce sides I ran half that ED.

75/2 = 37.5. Basic math my man.

 

[WannaBeBig72]

You have to give it a little longer test than 2 weeks. bump it up to 75mg/day and increase your calories and you will see a big difference. You stated that you have cut calories to gain lean mass...WHY? If you are comparing Tren to NPP at a lowered caloric intake, it isn't gonna be a fair comparison. Bump the calories back up and then compare 75mg/d of tren to the NPP. Decide either to lean-up or bulk, no in-between, or you will be disappointed (unless you are a genetic freak).

note: NPP will more than likely yield a greater weight increase than Tren. You will not appreciate tren by it effect on weight gain. Instead, gauge tren by its body tranformation effects (mirror look)......then you will understand its power. You will also get veinier on tren, which will help with appearance.

BMJ

You know I never really bought into that lean mass cycle BS. I always hear people saying they want to run a lean mass cycle. However I thought it might be possible with Tren (after reading alot about gaining with a caloric defecit). I'm upping my dose to 50mgsED and my calories by 500.

Thanks all...

 

[Outtlaw]

What's so fucked up about my cycle bro? Because I'm running 37.5mgs a day? What do you have trouble with fractions or something? It's my first time running it, and alot of knowledgeable bros on this board recommended 75mgs EOD. And as per Ulter's recommendation to reduce sides I ran half that ED.

75/2 = 37.5. Basic math my man.

Like I said... run it how it should be run and you'd probably get the results you're looking for. Whoever told you to run 37.5mg/day wasn't thinking straight. 75-100mg/day is the starting dose. You can run it eod but you still need to take at least that much per shot. You run half assed cycles and you get half ass results. But hey, it's your gear and your money. Do what you want. I was only trying to help you out.

 

[chaquito]

Like I said... run it how it should be run and you'd probably get the results you're looking for. Whoever told you to run 37.5mg/day wasn't thinking straight. 75-100mg/day is the starting dose. You can run it eod but you still need to take at least that much per shot. You run half assed cycles and you get half ass results. But hey, it's your gear and your money. Do what you want. I was only trying to help you out.

well.......

the starting dose you mentioned can be discuss but that is not what this treat i about. i personally know bros that achive very good results with 75mg EOD or 200-300mg parabolan /week. im guessing that this guys diet was not in check.

 

[Outtlaw]

well.......

the starting dose you mentioned can be discuss but that is not what this treat i about. i personally know bros that achive very good results with 75mg EOD or 200-300mg parabolan /week. im guessing that this guys diet was not in check.

His diet may not have been in check, but neither was his cycle. I achieve excellent results on 75-100mg/EOD. But it's not the same to run 37.5mg/day as to run 75mg/EOD.

 

[bicepts101]

But it's not the same to run 37.5mg/day as to run 75mg/EOD.

i agree its not the same..but wouldnt u think he would get better results from the ed injections...i mean uve seen the charts on bloods levels for ed injects versus eod for tren right?

 

[bicepts101]

i agree its not the same..but wouldnt u think he would get better results from the ed injections...i mean uve seen the charts on bloods levels for ed injects versus eod for tren right?

here:

 

[Outtlaw]

i agree its not the same..but wouldnt u think he would get better results from the ed injections...i mean uve seen the charts on bloods levels for ed injects versus eod for tren right?

Yes, but I've run tren both ways and my results are the same whether I run it ED or EOD. Most people I've talked with also experience the same. The reason a lot of people run it ED is because they feel they experience less sides that way. But I've never had a problem with sides from tren.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

I remember tren...haha...strongest stuff there is hands down.

 

[Themachine01]

Yes, but I've run tren both ways and my results are the same whether I run it ED or EOD. Most people I've talked with also experience the same. The reason a lot of people run it ED is because they feel they experience less sides that way. But I've never had a problem with sides from tren.

Im going to have to disagree with you bro, when you put together a cycle, the right way, you look at the doses you want to run throughout the cycle and break them down accordingly. If someone wants to run tren at 75mg eod, it is better to go with the ed injections with tren, therefore 37.5mg/day is the smarter way to run it, period. This will keep your blood levels more stable, I dont care if you notice a difference or not. Thats like telling me that if you want to run a sustanon blend at 1g per week you would rather shoot all 1000mg in one shot per week. Sure, you might experience similar results but your blood levels will be all over the board and the sides will generally be worse.

 

[Outtlaw]

Im going to have to disagree with you bro, when you put together a cycle, the right way, you look at the doses you want to run throughout the cycle and break them down accordingly. If someone wants to run tren at 75mg eod, it is better to go with the ed injections with tren, therefore 37.5mg/day is the smarter way to run it, period. This will keep your blood levels more stable, I dont care if you notice a difference or not. Thats like telling me that if you want to run a sustanon blend at 1g per week you would rather shoot all 1000mg in one shot per week. Sure, you might experience similar results but your blood levels will be all over the board and the sides will generally be worse.

Sust is not the same as tren. And you even said it yourself, "you might experience similar results".... You WILL experience similar results. Whether you shoot sust 1-2x per week or ED, your gains will not be significantly different. And if you dont believe it, then post up some evidence to prove me wrong. I've been trying to get someone to prove ED sust injects will significantly improve gains for the longest.

And very few people on this board are even at the level where a 2% difference in gains will effect them. When you're at the point that 2% means the difference between winning and loosing a competition, then I have to agree with you on dosing schedules. But for the majority of people on this board, they should be focusing on their diet and training... which account for much more result wise then how many shots they get in per week.

As for tren. If you want to sit here and try to tell me that 37.5mg/day will yield better results than 75mg/EOD then I'd have to disagree. 37.5mg certainly wasnt working for this guy, and I'd be surprised if it worked well for anyone who's tried it. I say again, the reason most people I've talked with seem to like the ED injects (those who actually prefer them) do so because they experience less sides. If you experience less sides on tren ED, then run it ED. But I still think 75mg should be the min dose for tren. These guys on here that are too pussy to run a normal dose of tren because they're afraid of sides shouldn't be messing with tren in the 1st place (and prob shouldnt be messing with any AAS).

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Sust is not the same as tren. And you even said it yourself, "you might experience similar results".... You WILL experience similar results. Whether you shoot sust 1-2x per week or ED, your gains will not be significantly different. And if you dont believe it, then post up some evidence to prove me wrong. I've been trying to get someone to prove ED sust injects will significantly improve gains for the longest.

And very few people on this board are even at the level where a 2% difference in gains will effect them. When you're at the point that 2% means the difference between winning and loosing a competition, then I have to agree with you on dosing schedules. But for the majority of people on this board, they should be focusing on their diet and training... which account for much more result wise then how many shots they get in per week.

As for tren. If you want to sit here and try to tell me that 37.5mg/day will yield better results than 75mg/EOD then I'd have to disagree. 37.5mg certainly wasnt working for this guy, and I'd be surprised if it worked well for anyone who's tried it. I say again, the reason most people I've talked with seem to like the ED injects (those who actually prefer them) do so because they experience less sides. If you experience less sides on tren ED, then run it ED. But I still think 75mg should be the min dose for tren. These guys on here that are too pussy to run a normal dose of tren because they're afraid of sides shouldn't be messing with tren in the 1st place (and prob shouldnt be messing with any AAS).

Too pussy to run a normal dose? It seems like you're saying that if you're not brave enough to run massive doses of gear you have no business running steroids in the first place? That is so unbelievably fucked up man. I have respect for steroids and my body and that's the reason I choose to run "pussy" doses.

 

[Outtlaw]

Too pussy to run a normal dose? It seems like you're saying that if you're not brave enough to run massive doses of gear you have no business running steroids in the first place? That is so unbelievably fucked up man. I have respect for steroids and my body and that's the reason I choose to run "pussy" doses.

75mg of tren is NOT a massive dose. What's the # 1 question on here that every newbie ask?? "What can I take to get massive gains with zero sides?" There is no such thing. You guys come here and expect to run HALF the minimum dose of a compound needed to get decent results (because you want to avoid all these side effects) and then come and bitch and whine on the boards about how you're not seeing any results from your cycles. I wonder why???

You dont have to run massive doses of gear. But you have to use enough of the compounds in order to get the effects from them. I dont know what people dont understand about this. If the minimum effective dose for primo is about 400mg/wk, you cant run 200mg and honestly expect to get anything worthwhile out of it. If you're not ready to handle the side effects from AAS then you should not be using AAS.... PERIOD!!!

 

[WannaBeBig72]

75mg of tren is NOT a massive dose. What's the # 1 question on here that every newbie ask?? "What can I take to get massive gains with zero sides?" There is no such thing. You guys come here and expect to run HALF the minimum dose of a compound needed to get decent results (because you want to avoid all these side effects) and then come and bitch and whine on the boards about how you're not seeing any results from your cycles. I wonder why???

You dont have to run massive doses of gear. But you have to use enough of the compounds in order to get the effects from them. I dont know what people dont understand about this. If the minimum effective dose for primo is about 400mg/wk, you cant run 200mg and honestly expect to get anything worthwhile out of it. If you're not ready to handle the side effects from AAS then you should not be using AAS.... PERIOD!!!

I upped the dose to 50mgs ED today. You're saying I'd see better results at 100mgs EOD?

 

[Themachine01]

I upped the dose to 50mgs ED today. You're saying I'd see better results at 100mgs EOD?

Thats what hes saying. Instead of running 75mg/ed run 150mg/eod. And yes, this is what your saying bro.

I never said anything about there being different gains, Im saying that you might not be able to tell a big difference, but there is in terms of keeping your blood levels stable and keeping the sides down, a healthier approach if you can call it that. I dont understand what your talking about it being better to run75mg/eod rather then 37.5mg/ed, its the same weekly dose, the daily shots giving your body a much more stable supply.

 

[WannaBeBig72]

Thats what hes saying. Instead of running 75mg/ed run 150mg/eod. And yes, this is what your saying bro.

I never said anything about there being different gains, Im saying that you might not be able to tell a big difference, but there is in terms of keeping your blood levels stable and keeping the sides down, a healthier approach if you can call it that. I dont understand what your talking about it being better to run75mg/eod rather then 37.5mg/ed, its the same weekly dose, the daily shots giving your body a much more stable supply.

I agree with you man. That logic doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

 

[Outtlaw]

Thats what hes saying. Instead of running 75mg/ed run 150mg/eod. And yes, this is what your saying bro.

I never said anything about there being different gains, Im saying that you might not be able to tell a big difference, but there is in terms of keeping your blood levels stable and keeping the sides down, a healthier approach if you can call it that. I dont understand what your talking about it being better to run75mg/eod rather then 37.5mg/ed, its the same weekly dose, the daily shots giving your body a much more stable supply.

That's not what Im saying. Im saying 75mg/ed or 75mg/eod will not make a significant difference in your gains. Another words, it doesnt matter if you want to run it ED or EOD. The half live of tren is longer than 24hrs. Machine, we are arguing 2 different points here. It may be better to run tren ED because of less sides and more stable blood levels, but Im saying that it wont effect your gains if you run it EOD. If you dont have a problem with sides from tren, then why make another injection for yourself if you dont need it??

50mg of tren is a LOW dose any way you cut it. I would not go below 75mg. But hey, Im just giving my advice. If you dont like it, dont take it. You're gonna do what you want in the end anyways. It just baffles me how people complain that their not getting results from their cycle, and then want to tell people who are trying to lend a helping hand that they dont know what they're talking about.... Whatever

 

[ViperHMS]

That's not what Im saying. Im saying 75mg/ed or 75mg/eod will not make a significant difference in your gains.

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Did you mean to say 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod will not make a significant difference in your gains.

 

[WannaBeBig72]

That's not what Im saying. Im saying 75mg/ed or 75mg/eod will not make a significant difference in your gains. Another words, it doesnt matter if you want to run it ED or EOD. The half live of tren is longer than 24hrs. Machine, we are arguing 2 different points here. It may be better to run tren ED because of less sides and more stable blood levels, but Im saying that it wont effect your gains if you run it EOD. If you dont have a problem with sides from tren, then why make another injection for yourself if you dont need it??

50mg of tren is a LOW dose any way you cut it. I would not go below 75mg. But hey, Im just giving my advice. If you dont like it, dont take it. You're gonna do what you want in the end anyways. It just baffles me how people complain that their not getting results from their cycle, and then want to tell people who are trying to lend a helping hand that they dont know what they're talking about.... Whatever

Don't you think that's a significant difference though. Between 75mgsED and 75mgs EOD. That's double your weekly dosage. That's like saying there's little difference between 500mgs of Test a week and 1G a week.

I mean from a dosage/gain issue. Isn't 37.5mgs EOD the same as 75mgs ED?

 

[Outtlaw]

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Did you mean to say 75mg/ed or 150mg/eod will not make a significant difference in your gains.

I meant what I wrote. 75mg/ed will not give you better gains than 75mg/eod. At least it hasnt for me or anyone else I know.

 

[Outtlaw]

Don't you think that's a significant difference though. Between 75mgsED and 75mgs EOD. That's double your weekly dosage. That's like saying there's little difference between 500mgs of Test a week and 1G a week.

I mean from a dosage/gain issue. Isn't 37.5mgs EOD the same as 75mgs ED?

Yes, mathematically it is the same. However, 37.5mg/day was not working for you. I'll bet you'd see a difference if you ran 75mg/eod.

And your stats and cycle history make a difference. You might need 100mg.

 

[ViperHMS]

Ok, did I miss something. Why is 75mg/ED equal to 75mg/EOD?

 

[Outtlaw]

Ok, did I miss something. Why is 75mg/ED equal to 75mg/EOD?

Not saying it's equal. Just saying that you wont see a significant diference in gains.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Just do 100 eod and thatl be fine.

 

[Themachine01]

Outlaw, I dont care whether you noticed a difference in results or not, 75mg/ed is double the dose as 75mg/eod. When planning a cycle you need to figure out how much you want to be taking on a weeky basis. Your not making any sense bro, especially since your the one telling this guy he is running an off the wall fucked up cycle.

 

[Outtlaw]

Outlaw, I dont care whether you noticed a difference in results or not, 75mg/ed is double the dose as 75mg/eod. When planning a cycle you need to figure out how much you want to be taking on a weeky basis. Your not making any sense bro, especially since your the one telling this guy he is running an off the wall fucked up cycle.

I dont know how else to explain it. Bottom line is his dose is too low. I agree with Polfa, 100mg/eod and that'll get the job done.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

They have that long acting tren now...never used any but......sounds beautifull....none of that poking.

 

[ViperHMS]

They have that long acting tren now...never used any but......sounds beautifull....none of that poking.

Yes I plan on trying the Tren E. within the next month. With mixed reviews and advice, I will be giving 400mg/Tren E. a week a shot. I've done Tren A. many times already with great results in the 75mg/ed range.

 

[flyingjer]

tren will give you some crazy strenght, not size so much, dramatic body comp changes, not a drug for mass though IMO