Disappointed with Gains (Part 2)

[Riker29]

I posted a thread a while back, and have learned a few things and have a few more questions. I will try to be as brief as possible.

Background is:

I was overtraining for probably 2 years.

Please, spare me that “there is no such thing as overtraining, only under recovery” speech. I have learned form my mistakes, and I don’t do crap like 18 sets of chest, each to failure (and I MEAN that) once a week, as a guy in my mid-30s. I have since corrected this.

I was not eating correctly, I was low on Protein and low on overall calories

I weigh 200 lbs, and was probably taking an average of maybe 125 G of protein a day, probably not over 3,000/day. Not enough of either for seruious bulking.

So, it makes sense that I would not put on all that much mass. I understand that now.

So – why during this time did my fat percentage go UP?

That make NO sense. Yeah, I did put on SOME more lean mass. But if I am training my ass off, my body would want to grow (at least more than it did), and if I was not eating enough for that, I would figure I would be one skinny ass MoFu. But my fat levels were up to 18% (a month ago I was 210 at 18% BF did a DNP cycle and wiped out 10 lbs of fat).

So – what’s up with this?

Overtraining?

Not eating enough (protein especially but overall cals were low too)?

Poor gains – sure – but FAT LEVELS INCREASED?

Does anyone have any way to explain this?

 

[jstrong20]

So – why during this time did my fat percentage go UP?
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My guess would be your carbs and fat intake was too high.

 

[Riker29]

Ever get the sense that people don't READ THE WHOLE POST? LOL

Again, I was not eating a lot, really. My over all cals were probably on the order of 3,000, if that much.

 

[Twitched]

You probobly have a low BMR.

More calories taken in then spent, yet LBM torn down by your overtraining before it could be build.

Classic fat-skinny people effect..like a marathon runner.. no abs in sight.

 

[genarr3]

I know the post you were talking about when you stated - “there is no such thing as overtraining, only under recovery”.

I completely disagree with that statement. "Under recovery" - That's exactly what overtraining is, training when you should be resting.

 

[Riker29]

The only thing I can think of, although this is a stretch, is the following:

Its like when you dont drink enough water. Your body goes into a state of hoarding it (holding onto it) and you end up holding MORE water weight.

Maybe, just maybe, if I was eating too little and especially not enough protein. My body, in response to the overtraining, was probably catabolic to some degree (trust me there were a lot of signs of almost like a chronic catabolic state). So my body was tryingt build muscle, tear it down, etc. The problem was that with not enough protein and cals, my body my have been "holding" fat in some way as a means of protection.

LOL, I dunno, maybe that is complete BS.

But I am just trying to figure WTF ws happening.

 

[brooklynboy]

My guess would be your carbs and fat intake was too high.


What I think Jstrong meant was you may not have benn eating a lot but you where not eating clean either to much fat and carbs not enough protien. Your boby will store fat a lot easier than build muscle. If you where on low protien taking in only 125 grams where were the rest of your caloires coming from?. Probally an abudance of carbs and fats! Well that is my opinon, take it for what you want but that is what I feel happened to me. Now I eat 99% clean and my lbm is going thru the roof and my bf is dropping like a rock.

Peace

Brooklynboy
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[ROAD DOG]

heres my opinion of what might of happened,
You may not have actually gained any actuall fat,since you were severely overtraining and not taking in enough protein you probably lost alot of muscle.By losing muscle ,it will actually make your bodyfat % increase since your LBM lowered.

 

[Riker29]

heres my opinion of what might of happened,
You may not have actually gained any actuall fat,since you were severely overtraining and not taking in enough protein you probably lost alot of muscle.By losing muscle ,it will actually make your bodyfat % increase since your LBM lowered.

No,. I had my body fat checked, and using that as a basis, you can calculate that my lean mass did go up, although not by a LOT, and that yes, the amount of fat did go up as wll.

Trust me, their is a LOT of work and info gathering behind this post/

 

[BigAndy69]

Riker, I'm in the 200lb range, 205-208 at 5'8. Right now at about 13-14%

3000 cals is a lot of calories if you are eating only eating 125grams of protein. 2500 calories from fat and carbs,

Very bad move. It really doesn't suprise me. Personnally, last fall, I was getting fat on about 3200cals. I didn't know what was going on. I use to eat more and actually lose BF. I was only eating 180 grams of protein, I started eating 250grams of protein, same # of calories.

I wasn't as hungry anymore, and I was actually leaning out. It's not really a matter of the number of calories but the quality. A calorie is a calorie but this doesn't give you the whole picture' it doesn't consider the effects of certain foods on our hormone levels like insulin, test, estrogen, GH...