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Diet check: Need less fats? Good enough as is ? ughhh... trying to cut

burnthiscorpse

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**** Please note fat content changes below. I made a mistake initially****

So I started a strict cut diet monday. Not a competitor just need to get the BF% down before next cycle. Well...maybe not a balls to the wall cutting diet but clean. No spices, sugars, dairy ect . I know there are more carbs in here than would be ideal most likely. I plugged all my numbers into Fitday and this is what I came up with....this is an average day. I have no issues eating the same thing over and over.
6'0" 239 apx 18-19%. This is a guess, I am holding a little love handle area fat, some lower belly(not much), and some bothersome bottom/side pec fat. Shoulders are lean, have veins in my delts, arms are pretty lean, have bicep veins under my tattoos, see top 4 ab outlines so its hard to estimate. I know I could easily drop 15 lb of water and fat.

This is my routine:

(150mg test C cruising, TB500 6 week load just finished, now on 1x month)

100mcg Ipamorelin and 50mcg T4 right after waking up. wait 1hr before eating(will be adding 30-40 min cardio to fill this fasted hour in a couple days)

Meal 1 : 1 cup liquid egg whites/ 1 scoop whey/ 1 cup unsweetened almond milk/ 1 cup raw oats

**( take D3, C, E, large B complex, 3g flax oil, Cranberry extract, Lipid stabil, 3 unleashed)

Meal 2 : 7 oz grilled chicken breast

Meal 3 : 7 oz grilled chicken / 1 cup raw oats mixed with 1/4 cup choc almond milk (5g sugars)

Gym (usually here or after meal 4) ( sip on 10 g BCAA and 40 g carbs)

Meal 4 : PWO shake, 60g Hydro Whey(in water), 10 g BCAA

Meal 5 (hour after PWO shake) : 9oz grilled chicken 1 cup oats mixed w/ 1/4 cup almond milk (5.5g sugars)

**( take C, E, D3, B complex, 3g flax oil, cranberry extract)

Meal 6 : 7 oz grilled chicken.

Wait 60-90 min post meal 6, pin 100mcg Ipamorelin and go to bed.

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You will notice there are no veggies in there. Thats because I cant stand the taste of veggies. Sorry kids. Substitutions are made on proteins, such as salmon, red meat, tuna ect. Carb substitutions could be quinoa, rice, red potatoes(not often on potatoes)ect...
I know eating veggies and sweet potatoes would help, but sorry no can do. I also know red meat and salmon arent cutting food. Usually the most frequent sub would be salmon on maybe 3-5 meals a week. I love salmon, I would eat it every day if price permitted.

Here is what fit day tells me on the above posted sample day NOT including apx 20g sugars from almond milk:

Total Calories: 2798

Fat: 45g (396.5 fat cals)

Carbs: 162.8 (671 carb calories)

Protein: 413.5 (1701 protein calories)

Its not a true "cutting" diet in the least. I'd say carbs are 60g too high and fat is at least 30 g too high. Based on estimated LBM im actually 400-500 cals surplus. I know I'm kinda answering my own questions here and at this diet I'll accomplish more recomp than straight cut. But I wanted input anyways. Only 3 days in, still dialing in.

The ratio is 61/24/14 (pro/carb/fat)


Comments, suggestions, ect???
 
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stevesmi said:
have you tried bitter 'fruits' like cucumbers, tomatoes.. and root based veggies like beets, carrots, radishes?
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My wifes homemade tomato sauce is the shit. But its obviously got some sugar in it. I know thats not "tomatoes" obviously. I dont like them sliced or however. My wife just harvested all our cucumbers that she grew and a tried a slice and it was instant gag reflex. Plus the taste stayed in my mouth forever.
I wish I could stomach sweet potatoes. I really really wish I could do brocolli. that would be the one thing.

Any suggestions on making broccoli taste the best possible? Cold and raw? Steamed then chilled? Steamed then room temp or hot?


EDIT: as for a BF% estimate, my avitar is old. But I am almost that size but leaner in my stomach.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
So I started a strict cut diet monday. Not a competitor just need to get the BF% down before next cycle. Well...maybe not a balls to the wall cutting diet but clean. No spices, sugars, dairy ect . I know there are more carbs in here than would be ideal most likely. I plugged all my numbers into Fitday and this is what I came up with....this is an average day. I have no issues eating the same thing over and over.
6'0" 239 apx 18-19%. This is a guess, I am holding a little love handle area fat, some lower belly(not much), and some bothersome bottom/side pec fat. Shoulders are lean, have veins in my delts, arms are pretty lean, have bicep veins under my tattoos, see top 4 ab outlines so its hard to estimate. I know I could easily drop 15 lb of water and fat.

This is my routine:

(150mg test C cruising, TB500 6 week load just finished, now on 1x month)

100mcg Ipamorelin and 50mcg T4 right after waking up. wait 1hr before eating(will be adding 30-40 min cardio to fill this fasted hour in a couple days)

Meal 1 : 1 cup liquid egg whites/ 1 scoop whey/ 1 cup unsweetened almond milk/ 1 cup raw oats

**( take D3, C, E, large B complex, 3g flax oil, Cranberry extract, Lipid stabil, 3 unleashed)

Meal 2 : 7 oz grilled chicken breast

Meal 3 : 7 oz grilled chicken / 1 cup raw oats mixed with 1/4 cup choc almond milk (5g sugars)

Gym (usually here or after meal 4) ( sip on 10 g BCAA and 40 g carbs)

Meal 4 : PWO shake, 60g Hydro Whey(in water), 10 g BCAA

Meal 5 (hour after PWO shake) : 9oz grilled chicken 1 cup oats mixed w/ 1/4 cup almond milk (5.5g sugars)

**( take C, E, D3, B complex, 3g flax oil, cranberry extract)

Meal 6 : 7 oz grilled chicken.

Wait 60-90 min post meal 6, pin 100mcg Ipamorelin and go to bed.

*****************************************************************

You will notice there are no veggies in there. Thats because I cant stand the taste of veggies. Sorry kids. Substitutions are made on proteins, such as salmon, red meat, tuna ect. Carb substitutions could be quinoa, rice, red potatoes(not often on potatoes)ect...
I know eating veggies and sweet potatoes would help, but sorry no can do. I also know red meat and salmon arent cutting food. Usually the most frequent sub would be salmon on maybe 3-5 meals a week. I love salmon, I would eat it every day if price permitted.

Here is what fit day tells me on the above posted sample day NOT including apx 20g sugars from almond milk:

Total Calories: 3439

Fat: 130g (1162.8 fat cals)

Carbs: 162.8 (671 carb calories)

Protein: 385.1 (1582 protein calories)

Its not a true "cutting" diet in the least. I'd say carbs are 60g too high and fat is at least 30 g too high. Based on estimated LBM im actually 400-500 cals surplus. I know I'm kinda answering my own questions here and at this diet I'll accomplish more recomp than straight cut. But I wanted input anyways. Only 3 days in, still dialing in.

The ratio is 46/20/34 (pro/carb/fat)


Comments, suggestions, ect???
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Depends how low you wanna get. Imho id drop t4 run albuteral or some igf or somthing. If you diet rite your motab will sky rocket. How about n2slin or forskilin is good too.

Id drop flax as it can turn in to estrogen not good if you on cycle. Yea, ud prob have to take about but why risk it again better stuff out there imo like krill oil.

Lastly fasted cardio is a big debate. But from what I know this is how your body works. It burns carbs, fats, then muscle! You want to preserve that right?

Anther theroy is that from lifting weights your body will then go into gyclogen stores which is why I recommend cardio last.

Also I have a protien shake before gym. I would take bcaas before or during gym time when your blood is flowing.

I beieve there is a reason that dylan eats at a certai. Time at the gym if i remember rite.

I feel that your fine with 60-120 carbs just remember carbs turn into sugar so depends how your body burns that. That why id take n2slin some cla and rla

Keep us posted bro
 
TheRippedReverend said:
Depends how low you wanna get. Imho id drop t4 run albuteral or some igf or somthing. If you diet rite your motab will sky rocket. How about n2slin or forskilin is good too.

Id drop flax as it can turn in to estrogen not good if you on cycle. Yea, ud prob have to take about but why risk it again better stuff out there imo like krill oil.

Lastly fasted cardio is a big debate. But from what I know this is how your body works. It burns carbs, fats, then muscle! You want to preserve that right?

Anther theroy is that from lifting weights your body will then go into gyclogen stores which is why I recommend cardio last.

Also I have a protien shake before gym. I would take bcaas before or during gym time when your blood is flowing.

I beieve there is a reason that dylan eats at a certai. Time at the gym if i remember rite.

I feel that your fine with 60-120 carbs just remember carbs turn into sugar so depends how your body burns that. That why id take n2slin some cla and rla

Keep us posted bro
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The T4 is in there in a small amount for its synergy with growth hormone. NOT because I think its going to help me burn fat. T4 increases the effects of GH. I would run t3 for fat loss if I were going that route but I would never run t3 for any reason. T4 is a totally different animal when applied to anything GH related.
I have considered N2slin. But I am going to run the real thing on the back half (4weeks) of this coming cycle. This is why I'm getting in the habit of having them pwo. I will also have them pre and intra w/o while on cycle.
The fasted cardio is basically just to fill the time I'm waiting for the ipam to do its thing without stepping on its toes. But fasted or not its a good time to get my cardio in. I will also be starting pwo cardio too this week. 25 min.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
The T4 is in there in a small amount for its synergy with growth hormone. NOT because I think its going to help me burn fat. T4 increases the effects of GH. I would run t3 for fat loss if I were going that route but I would never run t3 for any reason. T4 is a totally different animal when applied to anything GH related.
I have considered N2slin. But I am going to run the real thing on the back half (4weeks) of this coming cycle. This is why I'm getting in the habit of having them pwo. I will also have them pre and intra w/o while on cycle.
The fasted cardio is basically just to fill the time I'm waiting for the ipam to do its thing without stepping on its toes. But fasted or not its a good time to get my cardio in. I will also be starting pwo cardio too this week. 25 min.
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I seem 😬 didn't know you we're on GH. Thought it was for weight loss. Well am excited to follow bro good luck go kill that shit
 
TheRippedReverend said:
I seem 😬 didn't know you we're on GH. Thought it was for weight loss. Well am excited to follow bro good luck go kill that shit
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I'm not bro. Just ipamorelin twice daily. Have been for almost 3 months. That's why only a small amount of t4 to go with the two large gh spikes daily. If I were actually using 4 or more iu of hgh I would have tapered up to apx 150mcg of t4 daily. But either way I'm still getting the effects of hgh/t4 just on a lesser scale.
I can say that I now have to shave my head every 48hrs instead of 72hrs. My finite length hair (arms, legs) has grown like 1/3 longer. I can definatley see the difference it makes after a few months of consistant use. Plus it doesn't try to give me diabetes like ghrp-2 did.
 
TheRippedReverend said:
So what is the biggest benefit from that peptide? My rats on ighlr3 and 176-191
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It's a ghrh. 30 min post injection you get a huge release of GH. So on essence its the same thing as hgh just your own pituitary producing it instead of exogenus. Same idea as ghrp-2 and 6 but with less sides(water retention, blood glucose issues ect) <<<< you gotta know all this stuff right?
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
It's a ghrh. 30 min post injection you get a huge release of GH. So on essence its the same thing as hgh just your own pituitary producing it instead of exogenus. Same idea as ghrp-2 and 6 but with less sides(water retention, blood glucose issues ect) <<<< you gotta know all this stuff right?
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Man I gotta get me some. Yea, you gotta know! Glad ur smart to research b4 poken!

So if it doesnt spike then you can eat before it. All this peptide stuff is crazy the shit that can be made in a lab

Or someones backroom lol. 
 
TheRippedReverend said:
Man I gotta get me some. Yea, you gotta know! Glad ur smart to research b4 poken!

So if it doesnt spike then you can eat before it. All this peptide stuff is crazy the shit that can be made in a lab

Or someones backroom lol. 
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I was watching a lecture from a doc at a A4M (doctors who know hrt is the way to go) who is talking about peptides as the HGH HRT of the future. No issues with pituitary disease from long term exogenus hgh hrt. Plus its our own pituitary working and not being suppressed from synthetic hgh.
Ipam is a 3rd generation peptide (ghrp-2 is a 2nd gen) . The docs were talking specifically about sermorelin but ipamorelin is in the same catagory.
Your blood glucose will go up post injection. For me it goes from a normal 90 to 105(still within normal range) but doesn't stay there. So you still need 45 min pre and post injection with no food.
 
So.....to get back to my diet topic....I fucked up royally on the fat content. Please refer to the first post again for revised numbers on fat total, fat cals, and ratios..


When I plugged everything into fitday I did boneless chicken breast but didnt realize they counted it with SKIN ON! Hence my goddamn fat was way high. :faint::faint:
 
TheRippedReverend said:
What weight and bf do you want to be?
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Well.... I dont have a problem being 12, 14, even 15%. The thing is the side pec stores really bother the FUCK out of me. I need to diet down enough that all that is gone. I guess thats the initial goal. If I got down to say, 8-9% and all the problem spots went away then I bulked back up (cleanly) to 14-15% then I wouldnt have all the fat stores in the bad areas as I do now that I got from a few years pre 2009 being a fat beer drinking, cake and ice cream eating fuck. Kinda like when a competitor gets shredded down to 4% then bulks back up to 10-12. They put on a good layer of BF but its spread out everywhere.

The goal in the end after this ^^^ ? I guess to start with I'll say If I can really maintain 9-10% then 225 ish. If I'm going towards a clean 15% then 265 ish. I was 270 in my avitar but 20%.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
Well.... I dont have a problem being 12, 14, even 15%. The thing is the side pec stores really bother the FUCK out of me. I need to diet down enough that all that is gone. I guess thats the initial goal. If I got down to say, 8-9% and all the problem spots went away then I bulked back up (cleanly) to 14-15% then I wouldnt have all the fat stores in the bad areas as I do now that I got from a few years pre 2009 being a fat beer drinking, cake and ice cream eating fuck. Kinda like when a competitor gets shredded down to 4% then bulks back up to 10-12. They put on a good layer of BF but its spread out everywhere.

The goal in the end after this ^^^ ? I guess to start with I'll say If I can really maintain 9-10% then 225 ish. If I'm going towards a clean 15% then 265 ish. I was 270 in my avitar but 20%.
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I would just keep cutting untill you like. Your talkin to the perfect person to understand I was 240-21% i moved to 205 11%

Id recommend a 50/20/30 p/c/f
Pick your weight x bf you want to be - that to get ur lbm then do lbm x 14cals
And just play with it make adjustments. Fun part all you have to do is look in the mirror
 
I use to hate broccoli but I forced myself to eat it again and again. Now I love broccoli and the taste. I steam my broccoli. You'll eventually get use to it and start to enjoy it bro.
 
dubbzero said:
I use to hate broccoli but I forced myself to eat it again and again. Now I love broccoli and the taste. I steam my broccoli. You'll eventually get use to it and start to enjoy it bro.
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I'm thinking of trying to force feed myself until i like it. If I can chew it and swallow it to begin with without gagging and wanting to throw up then I could probably pull it off. Broccoli is the only veggie pertaining to BB'ing that I would be interested in using.


On another note, dried up alot and down 3.5 lb since monday.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
I'm thinking of trying to force feed myself until i like it. If I can chew it and swallow it to begin with without gagging and wanting to throw up then I could probably pull it off. Broccoli is the only veggie pertaining to BB'ing that I would be interested in using.


On another note, dried up alot and down 3.5 lb since monday.
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You'll find ways. Throw some crasins on there carfull sugar but just a little maybe just ah little olvie oil just till you learn the taste. Pepper ms dash..... Tonsof things to do
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
**** Please note fat content changes below. I made a mistake initially****

So I started a strict cut diet monday. Not a competitor just need to get the BF% down before next cycle. Well...maybe not a balls to the wall cutting diet but clean. No spices, sugars, dairy ect . I know there are more carbs in here than would be ideal most likely. I plugged all my numbers into Fitday and this is what I came up with....this is an average day. I have no issues eating the same thing over and over.
6'0" 239 apx 18-19%. This is a guess, I am holding a little love handle area fat, some lower belly(not much), and some bothersome bottom/side pec fat. Shoulders are lean, have veins in my delts, arms are pretty lean, have bicep veins under my tattoos, see top 4 ab outlines so its hard to estimate. I know I could easily drop 15 lb of water and fat.

This is my routine:

(150mg test C cruising, TB500 6 week load just finished, now on 1x month)

100mcg Ipamorelin and 50mcg T4 right after waking up. wait 1hr before eating(will be adding 30-40 min cardio to fill this fasted hour in a couple days)

Meal 1 : 1 cup liquid egg whites/ 1 scoop whey/ 1 cup unsweetened almond milk/ 1 cup raw oats

**( take D3, C, E, large B complex, 3g flax oil, Cranberry extract, Lipid stabil, 3 unleashed)

Meal 2 : 7 oz grilled chicken breast

Meal 3 : 7 oz grilled chicken / 1 cup raw oats mixed with 1/4 cup choc almond milk (5g sugars)

Gym (usually here or after meal 4) ( sip on 10 g BCAA and 40 g carbs)

Meal 4 : PWO shake, 60g Hydro Whey(in water), 10 g BCAA

Meal 5 (hour after PWO shake) : 9oz grilled chicken 1 cup oats mixed w/ 1/4 cup almond milk (5.5g sugars)

**( take C, E, D3, B complex, 3g flax oil, cranberry extract)

Meal 6 : 7 oz grilled chicken.

Wait 60-90 min post meal 6, pin 100mcg Ipamorelin and go to bed.

*****************************************************************

You will notice there are no veggies in there. Thats because I cant stand the taste of veggies. Sorry kids. Substitutions are made on proteins, such as salmon, red meat, tuna ect. Carb substitutions could be quinoa, rice, red potatoes(not often on potatoes)ect...
I know eating veggies and sweet potatoes would help, but sorry no can do. I also know red meat and salmon arent cutting food. Usually the most frequent sub would be salmon on maybe 3-5 meals a week. I love salmon, I would eat it every day if price permitted.

Here is what fit day tells me on the above posted sample day NOT including apx 20g sugars from almond milk:

Total Calories: 2798

Fat: 45g (396.5 fat cals)

Carbs: 162.8 (671 carb calories)

Protein: 413.5 (1701 protein calories)

Its not a true "cutting" diet in the least. I'd say carbs are 60g too high and fat is at least 30 g too high. Based on estimated LBM im actually 400-500 cals surplus. I know I'm kinda answering my own questions here and at this diet I'll accomplish more recomp than straight cut. But I wanted input anyways. Only 3 days in, still dialing in.

The ratio is 61/24/14 (pro/carb/fat)


Comments, suggestions, ect???
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Oats dropped to 2 servings of sugar free instant 1 @ breakfast 1@ PWO meal starting tomorrow.

Almond milk dropped completely (unsweetened and choc both) starting tomorrow except .5 cup of unsweetened in the a.m. instead of 1 cup.

Carbs will be at 100g or less from now on.

Adding a pre workout protein shake with water so total protein will be around 450g daily.

(thanks dylan)
 
Broccoli would be one of the easiest to mask any taste. Hopefully, you can eat cheese? Make a cheese sauce or a bechemel sauce (which is a white sauce, using cream. Of course, you could use half/half and I'm sure there's loads of low-cal recipes out there). It's divine. You/your wife should take baby steps to get you to enjoy vegs. Just like with kids, you gotta make em taste good, which usually means adding something sweet. Melt butter in pan, throw in some cooked carrrots w/salt/pepper and drizzle honey or maple syrup over them. Just a touch. I know this goes against your cutting calories and right now might not be the best time to do this but you will probably suffer big-time when you're old, if you don't start getting some fiber from veg. Colon stuff, etc. Hopefully you like fruit? Good luck.
 
Wontonsupe said:
Broccoli would be one of the easiest to mask any taste. Hopefully, you can eat cheese? Make a cheese sauce or a bechemel sauce (which is a white sauce, using cream. Of course, you could use half/half and I'm sure there's loads of low-cal recipes out there). It's divine. You/your wife should take baby steps to get you to enjoy vegs. Just like with kids, you gotta make em taste good, which usually means adding something sweet. Melt butter in pan, throw in some cooked carrrots w/salt/pepper and drizzle honey or maple syrup over them. Just a touch. I know this goes against your cutting calories and right now might not be the best time to do this but you will probably suffer big-time when you're old, if you don't start getting some fiber from veg. Colon stuff, etc. Hopefully you like fruit? Good luck.
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I'm cutting bro. No salt, pepper, cream sauces, half and half, dairy, butter, cheese, maple syrup, honey......this is all poison for me bro. salt, bad fats, dairy, sugars....yeck bro. Not to mention I cant stand the taste of honey or maple.

I'm like a rat when it comes to cheese. But cant eat it and cut.

I take colon health supps bro. I'll be fine when i'm old. Hell, I'm already old.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
Oats dropped to 2 servings of sugar free instant 1 @ breakfast 1@ PWO meal starting tomorrow.

Almond milk dropped completely (unsweetened and choc both) starting tomorrow except .5 cup of unsweetened in the a.m. instead of 1 cup.

Carbs will be at 100g or less from now on.

Adding a pre workout protein shake with water so total protein will be around 450g daily.

(thanks dylan)
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What's the reasoning behind dropping the unsweetened almond milk? If I can ask hinders cut you heard?
 
TheRippedReverend said:
What's the reasoning behind dropping the unsweetened almond milk? If I can ask hinders cut you heard?
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The sweetened I am dropping. I didn't use much anyways. The unsweetened I am just cutting back. Just to keep the fat down. Yes I know its almond fat. But I would rather add some olive oil later in the day to my dry ass chicken.
 
Just seen your thread bro...subbed for sure.

I like the layout ,pity you dont like eating green shit....have you even considered blending steamed brocolli and water it down to a consistency whereby you can just skull it real quick .

i trained myself to drink raw eggs, said to myself its once a day and only takes 1 fminute...man the fuck up and do it. now i love the shit .
people say you shouldnt eat fruit on a cut ,but we know not all fruit is straight up high-GI insulin-spiking poison...the fibre is going to be necessary with all those high -protein shits you will be taking and the pectin can reduce and help stabilise blood sugar levels.

Those macros should see you shifting bf at a nice rate ,am cruising myself at the moment bro - in prep for next bulk...am doing some reading on LCLT in an effort to best prep AR's for the onslaught .:D
 
Subbed. Definitely interested in this. Columbo not to sound like an idiot but I thought eating raw egg whites was bad for you. Salmonella and what not. I was eating a shit ton of eggs over the past year but they make me gag now because I have eaten egg whites for every day

Drinking them would be soooo much better
 
TryionLannister said:
Subbed. Definitely interested in this. Columbo not to sound like an idiot but I thought eating raw egg whites was bad for you. Salmonella and what not. I was eating a shit ton of eggs over the past year but they make me gag now because I have eaten egg whites for every day

Drinking them would be soooo much better
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you dont sound like an idiot bro,
to eat raw eggs or not to eat raw eggs has been much debated on nearly every forum out there.
Yes there are some risks to drinking raw eggs or unpasteurised bottles of egg whites...but a lot of guys - myself included continue to do so, i think the risk is minimal .

same thing when it comes to the other big "egg question" for every case study or clinical trial that shows biovailabilty to be poor in comparison to cooked eggs there is one to try and disprove /disagree with it.

sorry for the hijack BTC :)
 
C0LUMB0 said:
Just seen your thread bro...subbed for sure.

I like the layout ,pity you dont like eating green shit....have you even considered blending steamed brocolli and water it down to a consistency whereby you can just skull it real quick .

i trained myself to drink raw eggs, said to myself its once a day and only takes 1 fminute...man the fuck up and do it. now i love the shit .
people say you shouldnt eat fruit on a cut ,but we know not all fruit is straight up high-GI insulin-spiking poison...the fibre is going to be necessary with all those high -protein shits you will be taking and the pectin can reduce and help stabilise blood sugar levels.

Those macros should see you shifting bf at a nice rate ,am cruising myself at the moment bro - in prep for next bulk...am doing some reading on LCLT in an effort to best prep AR's for the onslaught .:D
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I took a bunch of before pics yesterday. But no one gets to see them until I have an "after" (pre cycle) to show for it. What happens between today and Dec 1 will decide whether I cycle, what type of cycle or cut another month semi natty.
If I have made satisfactory results but still feel I need to cut more then I will do option 1)

Continue cutting on 150mg cruise/GHRH and add 8 weeks of tren A EOD.

If I have not made satisfactory results by 12/1 or just want to hold off til Jan then I will continue cutting another 4-5 weeks as is.

If I cut semi natty til jan and I am very happy with my results then I will do cycle option 2

150mg cruise along with 100mg test P and tren A EOD for 8 weeks. Along with(for weeks 5-8) switching GHRH to 200mcg pre workout with 100mcg CJC 40 min pre workout. Then also 10iu of "special sauce" 15 min pre workout. This would technically be a bulker but very lean. With the special sauce and the regular cycle I would expect around 20 lb of freaky mass in 8 weeks.
 
SO the new revision kinda looks like this.

Meal 1) .5 scoop casein/.5 scoop whey/ 1 cup pasturized egg whites/1/3-1/2 cup unsweetened almond milk (<<thats all Dylan I promise:evil:) 2/3 cup oats

Meal 2) 7 oz chicken

Meal 3) 7 oz chicken 1 tbsp olive or grape seed oil

Meal 4) Pre workout shake (1 scoop whey and water)

*** during workout I sip on 10-15 g Bcaa mixed with 30 g carbs and water

Meal 5) PWO shake 2 scoops hydro whey in water with BCAA's

Meal 6) 9 oz chicken with 2/3 cup oats

Meal 7) 7 oz chicken with 1 tbsp grape seed oil


I dont remember the exact numbers but its apx 440g protein/100g carbs(30 simple during w/o) / 70g fat. apx 2600 cals.
 
Thats tight bro...a fibre supplement might be a good idea there, pop a few with your fish oil and multi vits.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
SO the new revision kinda looks like this.

Meal 1) .5 scoop casein/.5 scoop whey/ 1 cup pasturized egg whites/1/3-1/2 cup unsweetened almond milk (<<thats all Dylan I promise:evil:) 2/3 cup oats

Meal 2) 7 oz chicken

Meal 3) 7 oz chicken 1 tbsp olive or grape seed oil

Meal 4) Pre workout shake (1 scoop whey and water)

*** during workout I sip on 10-15 g Bcaa mixed with 30 g carbs and water

Meal 5) PWO shake 2 scoops hydro whey in water with BCAA's

Meal 6) 9 oz chicken with 2/3 cup oats

Meal 7) 7 oz chicken with 1 tbsp grape seed oil


I dont remember the exact numbers but its apx 440g protein/100g carbs(30 simple during w/o) / 70g fat. apx 2600 cals.
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The only direct fat intake I'm seeing here is 2 tbsp of grape seed oil.
I would add some raw almonds and all natty peanut butter to that diet.

You are cutting yes but essential fats are not the enemy here bro.
 
Cali72 said:
The only direct fat intake I'm seeing here is 2 tbsp of grape seed oil.
I would add some raw almonds and all natty peanut butter to that diet.

You are cutting yes but essential fats are not the enemy here bro.
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GSO, olive oil and fish oil yes. I have tapered the fats up slightly over the past few days. Fats and me are weird. Fats tend to make me....well....fat. Regardless of the high quality. Thats why I started so low and am going from there. I will be constantly adjusting on how i feel and what i see.
 
Ever consider a "greens" powder substitute? I know biotest makes "Superfood" and it's some good stuff. Nothing bad in it.

Something to consider
 
Well.. Throw the pics up :D There is no way in hell you're a "mess"
 
I dont know why it took me so long to see this burn! I am in for sure!

The only thing I would recommend is (I know this is crazy) to maybe increase the carbs closer to your origional amount! U are a big guy and could very easily cut with under 200g of carbs! 100g of carbs is what I cut on for my show!! Lol. That sucks that u have such a hyper sensitivity to fats. I def wouldn't drop the fat any lower though! Keeping that good fat content is gonna help with the digestion of all the other nutrients and keep that blood sugar level!

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jcmbbfuture said:
I dont know why it took me so long to see this burn! I am in for sure!

The only thing I would recommend is (I know this is crazy) to maybe increase the carbs closer to your origional amount! U are a big guy and could very easily cut with under 200g of carbs! 100g of carbs is what I cut on for my show!! Lol. That sucks that u have such a hyper sensitivity to fats. I def wouldn't drop the fat any lower though! Keeping that good fat content is gonna help with the digestion of all the other nutrients and keep that blood sugar level!

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I'm actually doing pretty good with carb cravings and even controlling late night munchies. Carb wise last few days I have been getting even less than 100 g. Well counting the during workout carbs its been probably 80-90g. I'm going to up that another 30 or so.
Fat wise I have been putting 1 tbsp olive oil or grape seed oil on my 4 chicken meals. To help especially.give some moisture to the dry ass chicken. I'm going to start throwing a little rice in with solid food meals too.
Fats will end up around 80 g of added fats(not including what's already in whatever I'm eating)
I think the fats for me just make me feel and look fuller (in the gut) if I start them early in the day. Maybe its in my head I dunno.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
I'm actually doing pretty good with carb cravings and even controlling late night munchies. Carb wise last few days I have been getting even less than 100 g. Well counting the during workout carbs its been probably 80-90g. I'm going to up that another 30 or so.
Fat wise I have been putting 1 tbsp olive oil or grape seed oil on my 4 chicken meals. To help especially.give some moisture to the dry ass chicken. I'm going to start throwing a little rice in with solid food meals too.
Fats will end up around 80 g of added fats(not including what's already in whatever I'm eating)
I think the fats for me just make me feel and look fuller (in the gut) if I start them early in the day. Maybe its in my head I dunno.
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Well just keep playing with it man. U will find what works. The olive/grape seed oil is a great idea. That's good that u are working so well with the carbs! It took me a while to adapt to low carbs but some people can go low carb and have no issue.

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jcmbbfuture said:
Well just keep playing with it man. U will find what works. The olive/grape seed oil is a great idea. That's good that u are working so well with the carbs! It took me a while to adapt to low carbs but some people can go low carb and have no issue.

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I just kinda suffer through the low carbs. It's not as bad as many other times I have attempted and failed. Besides, Sunday is carb day. Last Sunday was a half sheet of pizza. Wtf.....I don't compete and a reasonable shit day isn't hindering my diet.
 
I think I have concluded that I am going to hold off cycling until mid January if I can. I forgot I have a few hundred 20 mg Var tabs still unopened too. Besides if I can get my bf% low enough (to my satisfaction) then I'm going to do a cycle to put on some freaky mass in 8 weeks.
But in order to do all that I need to save some cash for the right shit. MAP protein, few other supps, ancillaries.
 
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