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Did Jay Cutler deserve to win Mr. Olympia?

Did Jay Cutler deserve to win Mr. Olympia?

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I'm kind of new on here, never saw what anyone thought before, sorry i had a feeling it would be old news.
 
Duno how true this is, but I heard Ronnie deserved to win and looked better the day of the show. However most of the scoring is based on the pre-contest judging, and Ronnie was still holding a good bit of water and Jay wasn't. Ronnie miss timed his prep and was dry the day of the show and not the pre-contest judging....this is just what I heard from a friend who follows it pretty closely
 
Jay was sharper, with a smaller tighter mid section. I saw Ronnie the next day and it looked like he just ate a whole watermelon. He still had over whelming size, but it didn't flow like it has in the past.
 
IMHO Victor M. is the uncrowned Champ! Full muscle bellies, small joints, and a tight midsection! If the Olympia Judges would've held onto the mandate they suppposed to enforce, then VICTOR is the champ IMHO
 
I was in the VIP seats and it could have gone either way. Jay was a tad tigther from the back and that's what did it. Ronnie was much bigger. My instinct was that Jay had it.
 
dexter jackson has the best look but ron or jay? Ron! that is MHO but I am a cutler fan and I still say Ron
 
If they judged on the criteria they are supposed to and not just who is big as hell i think dexter would have won. the guy is a monster and looks PERFECTLY symmetrical like a fucking action figure or something.
 
 
the judges really need to act what they preach.
(gh guts and whatnot)

I personally dont like the way Jay or Ronnie look. I got major respect for them and what they do and wish them the best of luck in the years to come.
 
krbn08 said:
Did Jay Cutler deserve to win Mr. Olympia?
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I think Ronnie was just a little off (tricep injury and possible back injury) so Jay I think deserved it. Look out for RC to regain his title.
 
i have alot of respect for both ron and jay. coleman because the guy trains balls to the walls hardcore 24/7 365. good for the size he has, bad for eventual injuries which is basically what put him down this year. i cant believe the guy hasnt had any injuries that would effect his training until this year. he did have bad injuries to one of his tries and one of his lats. pretty hard to train the way he does with injuries in those areas. if he can heal up 100% he def may beable to win one more.
jay is a very smart lifter. he trains in a manner that avoids injuries as much as a person can that needs to gain and maintain that kind of size. he could be a champion for a long time with his training methods. if the judges ever do judge based on small waist ect ect, i beleive jay could restruture his body to a more astetic look and win based on the fact that he would have some major striations and as solid a base as anybody. just my 2ccs........
 
Ronnie will probably come back next year and win it once more before retiring. Just for once i wish somebody wouldn't just go out on top, i know these pro athletes don't want injuries at an older age so they slow down and stop, but i'm waiting for the day when a badass comes along and gives it his all, wins the Mr. Olympia 15 times, he sets a real fucken record. Makes Arnold and everyone look small, little, and pointless. When are we gonna get a true badass? I'm tired of people only breaking the record of 7 ( set by arnold ) by getting 8 wins. Don't get me wrong thats good to win that many times, but shit Arnold could of won probably several more years if he really wanted to and didn't go into acting.
 
jay has the look guys and looks healthier IMO. ronnie and dex look like they are going to die, with that green/yellow hue they have going on
 
Correct. His look on the stage was good enough to win (arguably) but his pre judging was off. Ronnie had a lat and tricep issue on his left side as well that he admits now he has been in rehab for. I wouldn't bet against him this year if he's healthy. His best is much better than what Cutler can bring

rdel85 said:
Duno how true this is, but I heard Ronnie deserved to win and looked better the day of the show. However most of the scoring is based on the pre-contest judging, and Ronnie was still holding a good bit of water and Jay wasn't. Ronnie miss timed his prep and was dry the day of the show and not the pre-contest judging....this is just what I heard from a friend who follows it pretty closely
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Slyder190 said:
Victor, Dexter, Tony Freeman, these guys have what physiques should look like. Symetry. Neither Ronnie nor Jay have it IMO.
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I'd rather have their physiques over Jay and Ronnies any day of the week.
 
Id rather see someone like dexter win. But then again, bodybuidling has become a battle of the freaks and mass monsters!
 
Unit 2005 said:
Id rather see someone like dexter win. But then again, bodybuidling has become a battle of the freaks and mass monsters!
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It's not about who looks more aesthetically pleasing, it's who looks like they could stop a tractor trailer.
 
They are changing it but it takes time. Tony Freeman winning 2 pro shows right off the bat and Victor getting 3rd along with the Arnold is a sign of things to come. Not to mention Heath winning big time right out the gate. They want to get rid of the freaks the way they want to get rid of women's bbing. Look at the placing of guys like Gustavo, Branch, Markus and others compared to last year. Then look at guys like Heath, Freeman, Victor, Dexter (even if he did drop, he did to someone who has an even more comic book looking physique than him. Although Vic better slow down or else he will end up in the same boat as a Ronnie or Jay), Darrem and Melvin. Even old as balls Vince Taylor is able to get into the top 10 at a regular pro show. If this was 99-03 that *never* would have happened. He wouldn't have even placed. Basically the freaks are getting fcked no matter how hard they are or how big they show up. The O is basically the last show to award the freakness and I think letting Jay have it was their way of not shocking everyone with the transition. Next it will be Victor. Then comes the true era of the x frame or rather the ecto with extreme mass and the ecto/meso blends.

The freaks are dead and David Pecker couldn't be happier. He is trying to make some money off this sport he bought. He had no idea how unpopular and unmainstream it was until he was knee deep in it. At first I thought he was like the devil to bodybuilding and would kill it but now I see he is the saving grace.

Did Jay deserve to win? No. He was used as nothing more than a transition phase to the new era. Will Ronnie win a 9th? It depends on how bad the judges and David Pecker feel bad for him and if he is willing to play ball one last year and do all the shit Weider used to make you do (btw Weider no longer controls bodybuilding. I don't know why people think that. The man wasn't even allowed to come on stage and hand out Medals and say goodbye at the 05 O (it could have been the 04, not sure. I will look it up). It is David Peckers show now. He wants this sport to be mainstream the way it was in the 80's. He want's payperview money and mainstream contracts/deals. If he keeps going the way he is, it will happen. Fitness is enjoying a return. It's actually 'in' to be fit. People do look up to these guys as role models but not a Ronnie or Branch. The average person would never want to look like that. And maybe they would never want to look like a Dexter either but at least it's a physique they can admire and look up to. Sort of how it was with Arnold, Haney, etc. You may not have wanted to be as big as them but they inspired you to get in the gym and get going.
 
NickyE3 said:
he looks like an athlete and not just a big ball of muslce mass
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Find another sport where the athlete(s) look anything like him....

Admittedly, I can't tell the difference between anyone in the top 10, but I know that when I put on an NFL, NBA, or MBL game, nobody looks like Mr.O. Then again, since they earn about the same in a day as Mr.O earns in a year, I don't think they mind not looking like him.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Find another sport where the athlete(s) look anything like him....

Admittedly, I can't tell the difference between anyone in the top 10, but I know that when I put on an NFL, NBA, or MBL game, nobody looks like Mr.O. Then again, since they earn about the same in a day as Mr.O earns in a year, I don't think they mind not looking like him.
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So sad yet so true! Bodybuilders gets paid nothing compared to other pro athletes. The money is there, it's just all in the suppelment makers pockets, lol. All jokes aside though, the above is one of the most true posts I've read in a good long while.
 
c3bodybuilding said:
So sad yet so true! Bodybuilders gets paid nothing compared to other pro athletes. The money is there, it's just all in the suppelment makers pockets, lol. All jokes aside though, the above is one of the most true posts I've read in a good long while.
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Because bodybuilding isn't "fun" to watch. It's absurd. The actual competition doesn't generate much money, so there's not much to give to the contestants.

The major money is likely from related advertising, but to be totally honest, the average supplement buyer doesn't want to look like Mr.O, so having Mr.O as your product rep is of limited use, from a marketing point of view, in the big leagues. The big supps are not the ones in GNC for Bodybuilders, they're the ones in Walmart for fat people.

The sport generates no money, and the athletes make none. It's pretty much standard operating procedure. The market, for the most part, in terms of writing for a bodybuilding magazine...is writing for the mainstream ones. Look at the titles which came out last year. Every major BB'ing magazine's publisher ALSO came out with a goof-ball main stream mens fitness magazine in the last 24 months; that's because Men's health kills MD, Ironman, Musclemag, etc...in sales and advertising revenue.

The Market isn't Mr.O, if you want to make money in supps, magazines, books, etc...it's in the mass appeal...and 300lbs, at 2% bodyfat, with no athletic ability...isn't what the general public is into.

Why do they get paid less in the WNBA than the NBA? Because Lay-ups suck when someone else can slam dunk. Why does the IFBB make less money than every other sport? Because flexing sucks when someone else can hit a baseball 500 feet.
 
stewfoo said:
But, I bought your e-book.. and the Phil Hernon endorsement and pic did not hurt .
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Most people who buy stuff I write are likely "recreational bodybuilders"...i.e. people who use gear to look better (80% of all steroid users don't compete in anything at all). So yes, a pic of a bodybuilder helps with things like that.
 
It isn't a question of whether Jay deserved to win, but rather whether Ronnie deserved to lose. And on that day, he did. Ronnie wasn't his best. He was injured and hampered.

However to be fair, Jay has something funky going on with that leg and it is starting to look a bit withered.

Jay won't be O for long. He is just too bland. No personality at all. Ronnie will come back and lay waste to the field again. The 2001 ASC version of Ronnie is the most perfect physique to ever grace a stage.

Though personally, I would like to see Freeman take top spot. Even though we hang out a good bit, I am not saying that because I am biased. I just simply like his physique.
 
AAP said:
It isn't a question of whether Jay deserved to win, but rather whether Ronnie deserved to lose. And on that day, he did. Ronnie wasn't his best. He was injured and hampered.

However to be fair, Jay has something funky going on with that leg and it is starting to look a bit withered.

Jay won't be O for long. He is just too bland. No personality at all. Ronnie will come back and lay waste to the field again. The 2001 ASC version of Ronnie is the most perfect physique to ever grace a stage.

Though personally, I would like to see Freeman take top spot. Even though we hang out a good bit, I am not saying that because I am biased. I just simply like his physique.
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Just had to throw that in there, didn't ya?
 
Mac173 said:
Just had to throw that in there, didn't ya?
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Actually, yeah. Because otherwise people would think I was just saying that to give props to my boy.
 
I've seen three bodybuilding competitions in the last 25 years.

The first being when Arnold lost to Sergio Oliva at the Brooklyn Academy of Music in 1969. (I was just a wee tyke).

The next was when I entered the 1999 NPC.

The last was the 2004 Night of Champions where I had an invitation from some industry folk.

I just don't get it. The judging is subjective as it is in any beauty pagent. The 2004 show was more poorly run than the 1969 show. It's really kinda silly and frankly, quite boring after about 15 minutes.

There's no logic behind voting for aesthetics because then what you have is essentially a male modeling revue. Guys in the audience would be bigger than the contestants.

Competitive bodybuilding has no superstar -- no one with charisma. No spokesman. Then again, when Arnold did it, he was enlightening the public about the benifits of exercise. What are the guys today going to do? Advocate more exposure for the use of horse hormones?

Pros have no right to bitch about lack of money. How can you expect to make money from 2 performances a year? And ones which almost no one gives a fuck about. The supp companies barely make their money back. It's more for the advertising at the symposiums.

Competitions are just an outdated spectacle with no novelty left to it -- like jugglers, ventrilaquists and parades. It just doesn't cut it anymore.

But as they say, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I've seen three bodybuilding competitions in the last 25 years.

The first being when Arnold lost to Sergio Oliva at the Brooklyn Academy of Music in 1969. (I was just a wee tyke).

The next was when I entered the 1999 NPC.

The last was the 2004 Night of Champions where I had an invitation from some industry folk.

I just don't get it. The judging is subjective as it is in any beauty pagent. The 2004 show was more poorly run than the 1969 show. It's really kinda silly and frankly, quite boring after about 15 minutes.

There's no logic behind voting for aesthetics because then what you have is essentially a male modeling revue. Guys in the audience would be bigger than the contestants.

Competitive bodybuilding has no superstar -- no one with charisma. No spokesman. Then again, when Arnold did it, he was enlightening the public about the benifits of exercise. What are the guys today going to do? Advocate more exposure for the use of horse hormones?

Pros have no right to bitch about lack of money. How can you expect to make money from 2 performances a year? And ones which almost no one gives a fuck about. The supp companies barely make their money back. It's more for the advertising at the symposiums.

Competitions are just an outdated spectacle with no novelty left to it -- like jugglers, ventrilaquists and parades. It just doesn't cut it anymore.

But as they say, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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i agree that bodybuilding has lost its luster. Now everyone can see how much Arnold did for the sport. But the sport has changed now and is viewed differently.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I just don't get it. The judging is subjective as it is in any beauty pagent. The 2004 show was more poorly run than the 1969 show. It's really kinda silly and frankly, quite boring after about 15 minutes.

There's no logic behind voting for aesthetics because then what you have is essentially a male modeling revue. Guys in the audience would be bigger than the contestants.

Competitive bodybuilding has no superstar -- no one with charisma. No spokesman. Then again, when Arnold did it, he was enlightening the public about the benifits of exercise. What are the guys today going to do? Advocate more exposure for the use of horse hormones?

Pros have no right to bitch about lack of money. How can you expect to make money from 2 performances a year? And ones which almost no one gives a fuck about. The supp companies barely make their money back. It's more for the advertising at the symposiums.

Competitions are just an outdated spectacle with no novelty left to it -- like jugglers, ventrilaquists and parades. It just doesn't cut it anymore.

But as they say, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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It's pretty much my opinion too. Bodybuilding is poorly run, and bush-league at best. Contestants meeting scheduled for 9am? Show up by noon. Prejudging scheduled for 10am? It happens at 1pm. Bodybuilding contests are likely the most poorly run events I've ever seen in sports.

And need I remind anyone that roughly a decade ago the premier contest in bodybuilding was hosted by a fucking Elvis impersonator. How credible is that to the general public?

The Ms.O didn't generate enough ticket sales so it had to be combined with the Mr.O, and even then, a high-school football game has a higher attendance.
 
c3bodybuilding said:
So sad yet so true! Bodybuilders gets paid nothing compared to other pro athletes. The money is there, it's just all in the suppelment makers pockets, lol. All jokes aside though, the above is one of the most true posts I've read in a good long while.
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THe money is in the endorsements, I'm sure that the big BB's are fine, all the money just comes to them through the supp endorsements
 
I think moving more to a Dexter Jackson kind of physique would be a good thing for BBing.

Really I think they need to change it to be more like a Miss America Pageant, showing many more aspects of a person (just a little humor, don't rip my head off hear me out here)

You could add a lot to the competition to make it more interesting. What about a contest that combines physique with stamina, strength and agility???

You could get creative with this, but even if you just added:

Stamina: APFT (army physical fitness test, pushups in 2mins, situps in 2 mins, 2 mile run) and I would say add pullups in there too.

Strength: Some wieght lifting tests (max sqaut, bench and clean/ clean-jerk)

Athleticism: An agility obstical course, have some climbing, some jumping, some quick direction change, and even a vertical jump test.

Physique: Basically how mr. O is supposed to be judged now.

You could make each of the 4 areas worth 25%, that's what I would like to see. Or Physique could be 50%, and the other areas could combine to make up 50%. You could even do it by points, lowest points wins. First place in an event, 1 point, second place 2 points etc. etc....

This would be a competition I would watch. You could get it televised, you could make it a weekly show like the Ultimate fighter or something.
 
It was a qualitative decision, so yes he should have won.


I really don’t like the growth gut on either of those guys.


Ronnie is bigger, stronger but is a freak of nature and gear, Jay is fricken huge but has the potential to look great, too big now. See in five years.


I like the old guys Like Arnold and his 32 inch waist or Steve Reeves and his 29 inch waist.
 
jimmy04 said:
n e way its bodybuilding not body shaping.
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Bodybuilding is composed of three aspects . . symmetry, size, and proportion.

This is how it is supposed to be judged . .

Bodybuilding only refers to the ability of developing the body.

Building the body's symmetry, size, and proportion is bodybuilding.
 
solidspine said:
It was a qualitative decision, so yes he should have won.


I really don’t like the growth gut on either of those guys.


Ronnie is bigger, stronger but is a freak of nature and gear, Jay is fricken huge but has the potential to look great, too big now. See in five years.


I like the old guys Like Arnold and his 32 inch waist or Steve Reeves and his 29 inch waist.
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IMO Steve Reeves has the most desireable physique of all time
 
NickyE3 said:
i agree that bodybuilding has lost its luster. Now everyone can see how much Arnold did for the sport. But the sport has changed now and is viewed differently.
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Did he? Where is it now? I mean...who did more for the other? Arnold earns more than every pro bodybuilder put together right now....
 
the majority of supplament buyers are caucasion, so it only makes since that a white man wins so the industry would do better (this is comming from one of the judges i knew).....but i still thought cutler looked better and disserved it.
 
I love lifting weights...sometimes i think the whole show thing is stupid...they alll look like fuckin animals..but really...if you could take dexters physique and add about 40 lbs so he was the size as Jay and Ronnie...then Dexter would blow them out of the water...I too am a V Martinez fan...he is pretty amazing
 
snower6 said:
Correct. His look on the stage was good enough to win (arguably) but his pre judging was off. Ronnie had a lat and tricep issue on his left side as well that he admits now he has been in rehab for. I wouldn't bet against him this year if he's healthy. His best is much better than what Cutler can bring
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I agree with a healthy Colman...man....what can you say? I really like Victor's physique but I do not think the time is right for him yet. I did say to my woman the other day Victor will win the O someday. I am glad Jay won, I like him as a person, very nice guy every time I have met him. I think he deserved it this year...next...I do not know. A lot of good boys in the hunt now.

Quad
 
I think tey should bring back weight classes. That way you can have your Light, Middle and heayweight world champions. Then they could compete to be the best overall. That way you have more stars and more wineners and more champions to model yourself on. I mean say like Shawn Ray and Labrada. They should have been world champs in their time. Someone their size shouldn't be compared to Coleman. It doesn't make them not as good. I have a picture of Shawn and he is truly amazing in it. Take Dave Henry for example too, he should be competing against Priest and those type of guys and leave Coleman and other monsters to their category.

So many other professional sports have divisions, boxing, wrestling, UFC, Muay Thai. Sugar Ray Leonard wouldn't beet Mike Tyson in his prime but that doesn't make Mike a better boxer than Sugar or does it make Sugar any less of a World Champion than Tyson.

Something to think about...
 
I for one am sick of Ronnie. The dude thought he could show up in any condition and take the sandow and I am glad he didn't. I don't care who wins this year but I think ronnie's time has passed.
 
There should probably be weight classes in there. Here's my problem with the way it is now. I don't want to turn on the tv, or pay money for that matter, to see a guy 20 pounds less than me on stage. Sure they all have bomb ass physiques. But if I'm 245 at 12%, I don't want to see a guy on stage who is the same size as me if I were in contest shape. That's why I like Coleman, because he's something we can't be, no matter what we put into it
 
c3bodybuilding said:
They are changing it but it takes time. Tony Freeman winning 2 pro shows right off the bat and Victor getting 3rd along with the Arnold is a sign of things to come. Not to mention Heath winning big time right out the gate. They want to get rid of the freaks the way they want to get rid of women's bbing. Look at the placing of guys like Gustavo, Branch, Markus and others compared to last year. Then look at guys like Heath, Freeman, Victor, Dexter (even if he did drop, he did to someone who has an even more comic book looking physique than him. Although Vic better slow down or else he will end up in the same boat as a Ronnie or Jay), Darrem and Melvin. Even old as balls Vince Taylor is able to get into the top 10 at a regular pro show. If this was 99-03 that *never* would have happened. He wouldn't have even placed. Basically the freaks are getting fcked no matter how hard they are or how big they show up. The O is basically the last show to award the freakness and I think letting Jay have it was their way of not shocking everyone with the transition. Next it will be Victor. Then comes the true era of the x frame or rather the ecto with extreme mass and the ecto/meso blends.

The freaks are dead and David Pecker couldn't be happier. He is trying to make some money off this sport he bought. He had no idea how unpopular and unmainstream it was until he was knee deep in it. At first I thought he was like the devil to bodybuilding and would kill it but now I see he is the saving grace.

Did Jay deserve to win? No. He was used as nothing more than a transition phase to the new era. Will Ronnie win a 9th? It depends on how bad the judges and David Pecker feel bad for him and if he is willing to play ball one last year and do all the shit Weider used to make you do (btw Weider no longer controls bodybuilding. I don't know why people think that. The man wasn't even allowed to come on stage and hand out Medals and say goodbye at the 05 O (it could have been the 04, not sure. I will look it up). It is David Peckers show now. He wants this sport to be mainstream the way it was in the 80's. He want's payperview money and mainstream contracts/deals. If he keeps going the way he is, it will happen. Fitness is enjoying a return. It's actually 'in' to be fit. People do look up to these guys as role models but not a Ronnie or Branch. The average person would never want to look like that. And maybe they would never want to look like a Dexter either but at least it's a physique they can admire and look up to. Sort of how it was with Arnold, Haney, etc. You may not have wanted to be as big as them but they inspired you to get in the gym and get going.
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Great post. What you say seems quite true, and if it is, I think it may generally be for the benefit of bodybuilding as a sport. It's a shame, though, that pro bodybuilders aren't paid much more than they are.
 
buffer1 said:
no,the only reason why he got there is cause he wined like a little girl
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I've never heard Jay whine about anything ever, and I see him in the gym several times a year. Actually he's not much of a conversationalist. I wish there where more like him in the gym.
Yes, I think Jay is a worthy champion! I expect him to roll off a string of 10 consecutive Mr. O championships. He's got the size, conditioning, youthfullness, training style that's unlikely to cause major injuries, and magazine good looks.
I don't believe there is overt racism in the IFBB, but there is marketability racism. Who's going to sell more supplements and magazines, Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman? The number one consumers of supplements and bodybuilding magazines are white males ages 15 - 25, who are they going to want to emulate more? These factors are why Jay is going to be the man to beat for a long time.
Now if the question is who would you most like to have as a training partner? My answer is Big Ronnie, Yeah Buddy! Nothing but a peanut! Light weight, light weight! And my personal favorite; "Everyone wants to be a bodybuilder, but no one wants to lift no heavy assed weight!"
 
snower6 said:
There should probably be weight classes in there. Here's my problem with the way it is now. I don't want to turn on the tv, or pay money for that matter, to see a guy 20 pounds less than me on stage. Sure they all have bomb ass physiques. But if I'm 245 at 12%, I don't want to see a guy on stage who is the same size as me if I were in contest shape. That's why I like Coleman, because he's something we can't be, no matter what we put into it
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if your 245 at 12% by the time you diet down to 4% you will prob weigh in around 210-215 after losing the fat,water and some muscle.

you dont have to worry about turning on the tv and seeing anyone being 20lbs lighter then your contest weight onstage at the mrO
all of them are BIGGER then you in contest shape.

Unless lee priest shows up then you guys will be about the same weight
then you can shut the tv off.

no offense, its reality
 
If there were weight classes people would still only care about the biggest guys.

Not for nothing but Jay seemed about as interested as someone going to renew their drivers licence. Get a personality dude.

I also hate the "Thank the Lord" shit. Yeah, god can't stop the murders and rapes and illnessness and catastrophes but he wants you to place high in this contest. Fuck you.

The whole show could have been a half hour and it would have been plenty. All they have to do is pose and they can't even do that. Interminably long and dull.
 
The dude from Germany Dennis Wolf blew everyone away. Size and beautiful lines.

Dexter is way over rated, his obliques are huge and throws off his whole body, how can you be as small as him have huge obliques and be considered top ten?
 
He may have deserved it, but there's a couple of others who deserved it as much.
 
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extremefighter said:
The dude from Germany Dennis Wolf blew everyone away. Size and beautiful lines.

Dexter is way over rated, his obliques are huge and throws off his whole body, how can you be as small as him have huge obliques and be considered top ten?
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Wolf did rock!

Also, why are the guys of Gustavo Badell covered up in your AVI?
 
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